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Readers unhappy with loss of privacy in Michigan primary elections
Kalamazoo Gazette ^ | 12/28/2011 | Julie Mack

Posted on 12/28/2011 7:42:17 PM PST by Snoopers-868th

For decades, Michigan voters have been able to vote in primary elections without anyone knowing whether they were choosing the Democratic or Republican ballot.

That changes under a new law that goes in action for February's presidential primary.

Now the candidates for each party will be printed on separate ballots, and voters will have to fill out a form at the polls that states which ballot they are selecting.

(Excerpt) Read more at mlive.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
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Within 71 days after the election, the Secretary of State will have available an electronic list of voters who cast a ballot and which party they choose. That list will be available to the public for 22 months.

More at the link

1 posted on 12/28/2011 7:42:21 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

I’m not thrilled with it because it didn’t really close the primary. Instead it provides a mailing list to the parties.


2 posted on 12/28/2011 7:45:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

That sounds dangerous.

I don’t want anybody to know whom I voted for.


3 posted on 12/28/2011 7:46:14 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: cripplecreek

This is how we get the McCain’s of the world with these damned open primaries. And I know you know. I’m just surprised the GOP hasn’t fixed this yet.


4 posted on 12/28/2011 7:47:28 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. Tons of robocalls coming our way. I bet many will not vote in the primary.


5 posted on 12/28/2011 7:48:04 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Jonty30
No worries about who you vote for... It's about which party you are voting in the primary. You don't get to vote in both.

Texas does this.

/johnny

6 posted on 12/28/2011 7:49:01 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Ya....but without Voter I.D. nobody will ever know “who” selected which ballot....


7 posted on 12/28/2011 7:49:05 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: Snoopers-868th

Private ballots were a right and necessary for freedom in the USA. Are we now a Marxist country? Don’t answer that.....it is obvious that we no longer are free people.


8 posted on 12/28/2011 7:51:50 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: G Larry

We’ve got a voter ID law in Michigan. I think the GOP wave last year was a sign that it works.


9 posted on 12/28/2011 7:52:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: writer33

What people don’t realize is that in some states people only register to vote and don’t pick party’s. Its not open primaries if you don’t have party’s to begin with. Now saying that I am for closed primaries. If you want to vote in the Republican Primary, register as a Republican.


10 posted on 12/28/2011 7:52:20 PM PST by Towsoncrs
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To: Snoopers-868th

Has anyone else seen Universal Product Code (UPC) on any of their ballots yet? Saw one on the last ballot cast in my neck of the woods.


11 posted on 12/28/2011 7:53:52 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Towsoncrs

I totally got it. I just don’t understand why people can’t find a party that identifies with their ideological viewpoint.

Nevermind...I do understand that.


12 posted on 12/28/2011 7:55:59 PM PST by writer33 (Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
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To: Towsoncrs

You are not required to specify party to register to vote in Michigan.


13 posted on 12/28/2011 7:56:58 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Jonty30

big brother is watching.


14 posted on 12/28/2011 8:00:46 PM PST by Kackikat
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To: cripplecreek

“We’ve got a voter ID law in Michigan.”

HA!

Wait til Holder’s DOJ gets through with you!

....sometime before next November.......


15 posted on 12/28/2011 8:01:16 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: no-to-illegals

No. If it is only identifying ballots for one town or city, that make sense, however if they are unique to each paper ballot that is a whole other issue.


16 posted on 12/28/2011 8:03:39 PM PST by matt04
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To: matt04

How would a person be able to know?

I’ve never been able to read bar-code. LOL


17 posted on 12/28/2011 8:05:41 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: matt04

Ballot was scanned before being handed to me. God only knows what other information was accompanied with the scan. My neck of the woods is not Michigan, though this maybe is something to look out for in 2012 (nationwide).


18 posted on 12/28/2011 8:06:25 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Until the electronic machines came to my county thanks to HAVA the poll worker handed you a card (different color for each party) which you handed to the poll worker setting the machine.

Voter lists by party are available at no cost to candidates and for a low fee to the general public. The lists show which elections you voted in.

Pennsylvania “supervoters” like yours truly get lots of robocalls.


19 posted on 12/28/2011 8:06:40 PM PST by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: savagesusie
Private ballots were a right and necessary for freedom in the USA. Are we now a Marxist country?

Party registration has been around almost as long as this country. No. Big. Deal.

20 posted on 12/28/2011 8:09:32 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: no-to-illegals

In CT I never had a ballot scanned, except for the tabulating machine, just went to the table presented ID, whether they liked it or not, and was handed a ballot from a stack.


21 posted on 12/28/2011 8:11:51 PM PST by matt04
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To: Jonty30
That sounds dangerous. I don’t want anybody to know whom I voted for.

No one will. All it does is record which party's primary you chose to participate in. It is actually quite common all across the country and has been for many decades.

22 posted on 12/28/2011 8:12:08 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Dont be complainin now!


23 posted on 12/28/2011 8:13:13 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: matt04
If scanned again, will not keep me from voting, though the implications would leave me with questions, not that I would ask, for in my neck of the woods asking questions is hugh and series.
24 posted on 12/28/2011 8:16:34 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: cripplecreek

You are exactly right. It is worse then before.

Primary elections at state expense are subsidies for the established political parties already and now they are marketing events as well.


25 posted on 12/28/2011 8:18:20 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: ElkGroveDan

We do things different in Canada. When we vote, all the candidates or on one sheet of paper.

There is no keeping track of which party is being voted for, other than the fact that a certain party has taken the riding.


26 posted on 12/28/2011 8:18:45 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Absolutely 0 chance of union controlled voter intimidation THERE folks, just as there was no chance of conflict of interest when the SEIU got Harry Reid reelected in Nevada. Nope, such a thing would be highly unexpected.


27 posted on 12/28/2011 8:19:48 PM PST by cake_crumb (I'm not racist; I don't like his white half either.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Wow, that makes tossing Republican ballots in the shredder much easier.


28 posted on 12/28/2011 8:20:02 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: lightman

I don’t believe I have ever declared a party and I have voted for years and years.

Always printed out name and signed a paper. Paper was compared to voting roll, name was crossed off and I was given a ballot. I don’t recall if it was numbered or not but I usually ask how many have voted.

We still have, or at least we had in 2010, the same system. The ballot was via black pen connect-the-arrow method then I put the ballot in an automated tabulation thingy and my ballot was put in a locked cylinder.


29 posted on 12/28/2011 8:23:50 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: MamaDearest
Wow, that makes tossing Republican ballots in the shredder much easier.

LOL presorted.
30 posted on 12/28/2011 8:25:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: savagesusie
I am a registered Republican.

I don't vote in Democrat primary elections for their candidates. I am not a Democrat.
I don't want Democrats and/or misc. unaffiliated people voting in Republican primary elections. They are not Republicans.

Who you vote for in general elections is your business.

But you should not be allowed to vote in a primary, for a party you are not affiliated with.

31 posted on 12/28/2011 8:28:19 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: Snoopers-868th

Oh, and we do have to show ID.


32 posted on 12/28/2011 8:28:43 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: Snoopers-868th

All they’re doing is making people choose their party in the primary like most other states do. They aren’t revealing who that person voted for however.

Not a problem for me. I want Republicans picking Republicans, and Democrats picking Democrats as much as possible. Would rather have contrast than two mushy middlers parsing platitudes and putting their finger in the wind so we avoid the John McCains of the world.


33 posted on 12/28/2011 8:30:22 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Election 2012 - No Prisoners. No Mercy.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

Voter ID knocked down in the state where I reside. Hugh and Series!


34 posted on 12/28/2011 8:31:08 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

We even got a magnetic strip reader for driver’s licenses when voting now.


35 posted on 12/28/2011 8:31:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: G Larry

We have had voter ID in Michigan about as long as I have lived here (20 years).


36 posted on 12/28/2011 8:34:22 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: cripplecreek

Wow, you are high tech.


37 posted on 12/28/2011 8:35:22 PM PST by Snoopers-868th
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To: bwc2221

As noted in my post #15:

HA!

Wait til Holder’s DOJ gets through with you!

....sometime before next November.......


38 posted on 12/28/2011 8:39:01 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: cripplecreek

Are IDs being run through a machine before allowing a vote to be cast? Just curious. Please Lord, no death threats. Amen.


39 posted on 12/28/2011 8:41:11 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Snoopers-868th.
For decades, Michigan voters have been able to vote in primary elections without anyone knowing whether they were choosing the Democratic or Republican ballot.
By "decaces" this story must mean about 20 or 25 years; I remember voting in a primary at the Kentwood library, and having to fill out the party pref card in order to receive the (one-party) ballot, must have been somewhere in the range of late 1983 to early 1985. It changed sometime after that.


40 posted on 12/28/2011 8:48:01 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: Snoopers-868th
There are lists, and then there are computer lists. Said little while ago was probably on three or more lists. Truth be told, everyone, there is a list for everyone and everything done by each individual. Does a list exist of who votes for whom? You betcha! Little to no doubt anymore. Now ask yourself, why would someone want to know who you vote for?
41 posted on 12/28/2011 8:57:08 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Snoopers-868th

In California, where I am registered to vote, I have always received a Republican primary ballot since I started declaring a party. The poll workers look at how you are registered on the books, and give you the appropriate ballot.

What is the perceived problem in Michigan? Separate ballots? Or is it the process of filling out a form stating which ballot one wants?


42 posted on 12/28/2011 9:53:34 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Snoopers-868th
This is the Republican presidential primary. Republicans should pick the party's nominee. Not democrats. Not independents. This isn't the general election. This isn't even the state primary election.

Unfortunately, it's still an open primary, since one can choose a party ballot the same day.

43 posted on 12/28/2011 10:15:32 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: exDemMom
Michigan does not register by party. The problem is that there's a tradition of crossover voting in primaries. Most of the population is irate at being forced to choose a party. My attitude is too bad.

Most of the party establishment likes closed primaries. The democrats don't want Geoff Fieger winning primaries. Republicans didn't want McCain winning.

44 posted on 12/28/2011 10:17:37 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Snoopers-868th
Back in the 80's when I had the farm, local elections were held like this. I would vote republican ballot. The slimy trick was all those that ran for local politics were democrats, so anyone voting republican could not vote for any of the locals running...I was furious and never encountered that before...

Voiced my complaint at township hall, they were totally uninterested in my complaint...That was how the democrats kept control of the township....

45 posted on 12/28/2011 10:53:29 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny; All

this was in Michigan, Lenox county, primary voting.


46 posted on 12/28/2011 10:56:38 PM PST by goat granny
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Hi, boys. Y’all remember to vote today???” They could beat someone to death and Holder would say that it wasn’t racist since the guys doing the beating weren’t white.


47 posted on 12/28/2011 11:04:00 PM PST by RightLady (Liberty above all)
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To: rawcatslyentist

How I wish they had tried to stop me on election day. “Never bring a baseball bat to a ...”


48 posted on 12/29/2011 2:48:04 AM PST by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion)
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To: muir_redwoods
Does that mean we can no longer “stack the deck” to improve our chances of winning? Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
49 posted on 12/29/2011 5:15:38 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: Snoopers-868th

Another link with more on this plus opinion poll-

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2011/12/post_236.html#incart_mce


50 posted on 12/30/2011 3:47:36 AM PST by equaviator ( "There's a (datum) plane on the horizon coming in...see it?")
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