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‘Fast and Furious’ Linked to Immunity Deal Between U.S. and Sinaloa Cartel, Trafficking Defendant...
CNSNews.com ^ | December 29, 2011 | Edwin Mora

Posted on 12/29/2011 11:17:13 PM PST by neverdem

‘Fast and Furious’ Linked to Immunity Deal Between U.S. and Sinaloa Cartel, Trafficking Defendant Alleges in Court Papers

A Mexican drug trafficker awaiting trial in a Chicago federal court claims that the notorious Sinaloa cartel received weapons from "Operation Fast and Furious" under an alleged immunity agreement that the U.S. government made with cartel leaders, in exchange for information on rival gangs.

The defendant in a trafficking case before the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Illinois, Vicente Jesus Zambada-Niebla, also claims the immunity deal allowed the criminal cartel to "continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs" into the United States.

He wants the U.S. government to provide documents relating to the botched gun running sting operation along the southwest border, arguing that it would benefit his defense.

Operation Fast and Furious, which began in September 2009, saw the Phoenix office of the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives supervise the sale of guns to straw purchasers with the intent of tracing the guns to Mexican drug trafficking organizations and prosecuting their members. The ATF allowed about 2,000 guns to be sold in this manner.

The operation came under congressional scrutiny after it was linked to the December 2010 murder of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry at the hands of Mexican bandits.

An investigative report, spearheaded by Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), found that most of the weapons provided to Mexican criminals under the operation were going to the Sinaloa cartel, arguably one of the world's largest drug trafficking organizations.

In a court pleading filed last July, Zambada-Niebla made the claims about an immunity deal.

"Mr. Zambada-Niebla believes that the documentation that he requests will confirm that the weapons received by Sinaloa Cartel members and its leaders in Operation 'Fast & Furious' were provided under the agreement entered into between the United States government and [a Mexican lawyer] on behalf of the Sinaloa Cartel that is the subject of his defense...," it said.

"Mr. Zambada-Niebla believes that the documentation will also provide evidence showing that the United States government has a policy and pattern of providing benefits, including immunity, to cartel leaders, including the Sinaloa Cartel and their members, who are willing to provide information against rival drug cartels."

The defendant argued that he is protected from federal prosecution for trafficking drugs into the U.S. between 2004 and 2009 under an alleged immunity deal struck between the U.S. government and Sinaloa leaders.

According to court documents, Zambada-Niebla claims that the immunity deal provided the cartel's leadership with "carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States" in exchange for information on rival drug cartels.

U.S. prosecutors deny the existence of such an immunity deal between the U.S. government and the cartel.

Nevertheless, the U.S. government last September filed a motion to invoke the Classified Information Procedures Act, which is aimed at assuring that national security information stemming from criminal cases – such as details associated with CIA operations – are not leaked to the public during court proceedings.

In a court pleading filed in September, U.S. prosecutors claimed that Zambada-Niebla's allegations about Fast and Furious have no merit.

"Defendant requests all information in the possession of the U.S. government related to an ATF investigation referred to as 'Fast and Furious'..." it said. "Defendants request related to Fast and Furious... and other unrelated matters are gratuitous and wholly unrelated to any legitimate discovery issues in this case."

Zambada-Niebla, who was arrested in Mexico in March 2009 and extradited to the U.S. eleven months later, is accused of smuggling tons of cocaine and heroin into the U.S.

He claims he was working on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI, and U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, court documents show.

The defendant's pleading highlighted a July 2011 letter sent by Issa and Grassley to Attorney General Eric Holder, "suggesting that multiple United States agencies were employing as informants members of Mexican drug organizations."

"The evidence seems to indicate that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons, but that tax payers' dollars in the form of informant payments, may have financed those engaging in such activities," the pleading added.


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1 posted on 12/29/2011 11:17:23 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I don’t even know where to begin on this, but F+F keeps sounding more and more like Omoslem.


2 posted on 12/29/2011 11:32:11 PM PST by LyinLibs (If victims of Islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: neverdem
Operation Fast and Furious, which began in September 2009 . . . .

D'OH! The MSM can't take this story away from the alternate media and give the story legs until there is someway to blame Bush . . . come on think, people!

3 posted on 12/29/2011 11:55:50 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: neverdem

Follow the money. Either our military is incompetent or totally in on it.


4 posted on 12/30/2011 12:04:04 AM PST by Razzz42
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To: Razzz42

Our military does what they are told to do by the the President.


5 posted on 12/30/2011 12:14:50 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: Razzz42
Either our military is incompetent or totally in on it.

What does our military have to do with it?

6 posted on 12/30/2011 12:17:17 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: LyinLibs

I wonder how many in our government are on the cartels payroll? Just too much easy money floating around.


7 posted on 12/30/2011 12:22:36 AM PST by saintgermaine
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.
...in exchange for information on rival gangs.
Zero will negotiate with anyone, without conditions -- other than the condition that it damages US interests.


8 posted on 12/30/2011 12:32:19 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: neverdem
So the Chicago Mob was trading guns to the Sinaloa Drug Cartel in trade for information the Chicago Mob could use against other Mexican Drug Cartels. Sounds just like government to me.
9 posted on 12/30/2011 1:04:58 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: neverdem
There goes the "we were letting guns randomly "walk" into Mexico to see where they went" lie. It was a quid pro quo with the Sinaloa international terrorist drug cartel.

0bama, Holder and the whole lot of them are sponsors of terrorism, murder, drug trafficking, human slavery, money laundering and arms trafficking with intent to undermine a sovereign friendly nation. They have shamed the United States beyond all imagining.

10 posted on 12/30/2011 1:34:13 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: All
U.S. prosecutors deny the existence of such an immunity deal between the U.S. government and the cartel.

Nevertheless, the U.S. government last September filed a motion to invoke the Classified Information Procedures Act, which is aimed at assuring that national security information stemming from criminal cases – such as details associated with CIA operations – are not leaked to the public during court proceedings.

That is just freaking hilarious.

"We didn't make no steenking deal! But we do have to hide what we deedn't do."

11 posted on 12/30/2011 1:45:23 AM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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12 posted on 12/30/2011 1:47:21 AM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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13 posted on 12/30/2011 2:27:08 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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‘Fast and Furious’ Linked to Immunity Deal Between U.S. and Sinaloa Cartel, Trafficking Defendant Alleges in Court Papers

A Mexican drug trafficker awaiting trial in a Chicago federal court claims..."

14 posted on 12/30/2011 2:34:48 AM PST by LucyT
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To: neverdem; LucyT; Liz; STARWISE; MinuteGal; onyx; penelopesire; maggief; Velveeta

Wonder how much money was contributed to campaign coffers:
Mexican cartels === Chicago mob === political contributions === US government. Pay to play at it’s best.
No wonder they aren’t serious about closing the border.


15 posted on 12/30/2011 4:26:33 AM PST by hoosiermama (We need more Jobs.....Steve Jobs....entrepreneurs and creators.)
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To: neverdem
.....illicit drugs into Chicago.....

Good gad.

Is Barry funding his election campaign with illegal drug sales.....

16 posted on 12/30/2011 4:37:22 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: justa-hairyape
*** So the Chicago Mob was trading guns to the Sinaloa Drug Cartel in trade for information the Chicago Mob could use ..... ***

Kindly refrain from impugning the integrity of 'The Chicago Mob'.

The guns and drugs involved went to Mexican Street Gangs 'prolly', the Latin Kings and others like them across the city. 'The Mob' or as they're also known, 'The Outfit', would never deal with scum like those involved in F&F.

It's bad enough when they have to deal with the scummy Chicago Politicians. But fortunately they (The Mob) can go to confession and do penance for that.

Thank you.

Honest Frankie he meant no offense. Please don't whack him and stick him in a car trunk out at O'Hare Airport.

17 posted on 12/30/2011 4:44:47 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: mewzilla

Good question. Obama is planning an all out anti gun campaign. Bring it on. It will provide the perfect opportunity for our candidate to hit him on F&F.


18 posted on 12/30/2011 4:47:01 AM PST by jersey117 (.)
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To: neverdem

This is sounding more and more like a Tom Clancy novel every day.


19 posted on 12/30/2011 4:47:21 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: mewzilla; MestaMachine; maggief

That’s a possibility, Mew. Is this the “missing link/blue dress/smoking gun???

MM have you seen this one?

Mag,can we get more names to cross reference?


20 posted on 12/30/2011 4:49:30 AM PST by hoosiermama (We need more Jobs.....Steve Jobs....entrepreneurs and creators.)
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To: mewzilla; MestaMachine; maggief

That’s a possibility, Mew. Is this the “missing link/blue dress/smoking gun???

MM have you seen this one?

Mag,can we get more names to cross reference?


21 posted on 12/30/2011 4:51:02 AM PST by hoosiermama (We need more Jobs.....Steve Jobs....entrepreneurs and creators.)
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To: jersey117
And while we're on the subject of Barry's deals with the devil.....

U.S. Hopes to Continue Talks with Taliban in 2012

It's a pity nobody gave a dang about the Lockerbie bomber deal. It was an instructive preview of coming attractions.

22 posted on 12/30/2011 4:52:48 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: justa-hairyape

Big Govt (Crony) Socialism - choosing the winners and losers in the illegal drug cartels.


23 posted on 12/30/2011 4:52:54 AM PST by newfreep (I am a "terrorist". I am Sarah Palin!)
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To: Razzz42

Our government has been involved in this crap for 50 years, remember it was not long after the CIA was Caught red handed smuggling cocaine and made public through the Kerry Commission, that the Attorney General under Reagan, William French Smith, went before Congress, begged for and received “Special Permission” to continue their DRUG SMUGGLING OPERATION. See Michael Reagan if you don’t believe, cuz it is absolutely established FACT. So why would anybody be surprised.


24 posted on 12/30/2011 5:12:32 AM PST by eyeamok
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To: Fresh Wind

The worst part about this story is it’s ring of truth and the fact that it is very believable.

Our government has sunk so low that this incredible story is probably true.


25 posted on 12/30/2011 5:19:04 AM PST by Venturer
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To: neverdem

Be careful here, folks.

First, drug kingpins lie about everything and should not be trusted, even if their story sounds plausible.

Second, Sinaloa is competing with Los Zetas. If this was an effort to disrupt Los Zetas, it could fly back into our faces. You see, Los Zetas are linked to Hezballah and have been helping the islamists establish camps in Mexico.

If Obama/Holder come out in the weeks before the 2012 election with arrests of islamists in Mexico due to intelligence gathered by the Sinaloa cartel, they could look like heroes (despite 300+ dead in the US and Mexico)

We have been setup before on stories (the Michelle tapes), so let’s keep our powder dry.


26 posted on 12/30/2011 5:35:07 AM PST by Erik Latranyi
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To: SunkenCiv; All

Thanks neverdem.

...in exchange for information on rival gangs.

Zero will negotiate with anyone, without conditions — other than the condition that it damages US interests.


Weren’t the progs calling this “Smart Power” a few years back?


27 posted on 12/30/2011 5:39:25 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: hoosiermama
Greta was way off the beam last night in her interview of Rush.

She claimed F & F is a law enforcement issue.....that it was NOT a surreptitious attack on the 2nd Amendment by the Obama/Holder unholy alliance.

This woman can be so incredibly naive every once in a while.

Rush set her straight on the issue with his usual well-reasoned bolts of enlightenment.

With an overly-casual smile, Greta moved quickly on to another subject.

Leni

28 posted on 12/30/2011 5:44:29 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: hoosiermama
Greta was way off the beam last night in her interview of Rush.

She claimed F & F is a law enforcement issue.....that it was NOT a surreptitious attack on the 2nd Amendment by the Obama/Holder unholy alliance.

This woman can be so incredibly naive every once in a while.

Rush set her straight on the issue with his usual well-reasoned bolts of enlightenment.

With an overly-casual smile, Greta moved quickly on to another subject.

Leni

29 posted on 12/30/2011 5:45:38 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
Sorry for the double post. Computer really acting up this morning.

Leni

30 posted on 12/30/2011 5:47:15 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal
Speaking of Greta, from a few weeks ago, a tidbit I tucked under my tinfoil chapeau....

Fox News' Greta Van Susteren says Husband's Relationship with Herman Cain Not Conflict

Hmmmmm......

31 posted on 12/30/2011 5:49:47 AM PST by mewzilla (Santelli 2012)
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To: neverdem

So “Arms for Cartels” is a more nuanced policy than “Arms for Hostages”. I guess. :)


32 posted on 12/30/2011 5:52:57 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

The defendant argued that he is protected from federal prosecution for trafficking drugs into the U.S. between 2004 and 2009 under an alleged immunity deal struck between the U.S. government and Sinaloa leaders....There Ya go. Obama got in on the tail end.


33 posted on 12/30/2011 5:55:16 AM PST by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: MestaMachine

Obama could appear on LIVE TV and say ah akbar and eat something dead with blood dripping all over his face and his eyes girate about all evil and he would still be the president and the media would still cover for him;not a soul would say impeachment,obstruction or corruption and if anyone dared to say anything bad about him they are just racists move along nothing to see here.


34 posted on 12/30/2011 5:58:56 AM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: MinuteGal

Mine did the same...Maybe it’s a FR problem.

Are you sure Greta was not just playing devil-advocate? She could have been setting Rush up to make the point, but still staying within the FOX guideline of not attacking the gov without proof in hand. Tend to think the smile was a check of accomplishment. I’ve seen her set up others, it seems to be her MO. She’s good at it....very smooth.


35 posted on 12/30/2011 6:00:15 AM PST by hoosiermama (We need more Jobs.....Steve Jobs....entrepreneurs and creators.)
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36 posted on 12/30/2011 6:14:15 AM PST by bcsco
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

Problems is, the Bush administration DID have a “Fast and Furious” type operation - but none of the guns got away and none of them were used to murder people. It is awfully hard to spin that...


37 posted on 12/30/2011 6:16:40 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: neverdem

His lawyers need to bail him out and hire some former CAG guys to protect him. If, even an inkling of what he is talking about is true, this proves that this administration is nothing but a gang of criminals. Ones that would make a James Bond villain look okay.


38 posted on 12/30/2011 6:35:18 AM PST by qaz123
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To: neverdem

Thanks for posting this. It’s key stuff about who the regime really is! They are no better than legitimized terrorists working to destroy the U.S from within.


39 posted on 12/30/2011 6:37:16 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: saintgermaine

You gotta wonder if the CIA is still partially funded by drugs....especially black ops.


40 posted on 12/30/2011 6:38:28 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: MestaMachine

THanks for the ping Mesta. This is a really big story.I hope others will check it as well.


41 posted on 12/30/2011 6:40:11 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: rodguy911

No, you don’t have to wonder really. There is so much about this, drips and drabs, from money laundering to gunrunning and back again, BTW, this is not the first cartel member to make these charges. The other one’s case is under seal now.
This whole thing is very ugly, and it is not limited to Mexico. Look what is happening to Honduras.


42 posted on 12/30/2011 7:00:21 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: hoosiermama; All

http://www.suntimes.com/6867239-417/sinaloa-cartel-boss-who-supplied-chicago-i-was-a-dea-snitch.html?print=true

Drug boss shocker: I was a DEA snitch
Chicago Sun-Times (IL) - Sunday, August 7, 2011
Author: BY FRANK MAIN ; Staff Reporter/fmain@suntimes.com

EXCERPTS

Most of the Sinaloa Cartel’s communications with the DEA were through a cartel lawyer, Humberto Loya-Castro, according to Zambada-Niebla. He says Loya-Castro fed information to agents about rival cartels starting before 2004. Criminal charges against Loya-Castro in San Diego were dropped in 2008 because of his cooperation, Zambada-Niebla says.

In March 2009, Loya-Castro arranged for Zambada-Niebla to meet DEA agents at a Sheraton Hotel in Mexico City, according to the court filing.

Zambada-Niebla says he gave the U.S. drug agents information about rival cartels and, in return, was assured that a pending indictment against him in Washington, D.C., would be dismissed and that he would be immune from further prosecution.

(snip)

The indictment against Zambada-Niebla charges him and about three dozen other defendants with conspiring to import tons of cocaine and “multi-kilo” quantities of heroin to Chicago and elsewhere between 2005 and 2008. He is being held under high security in a federal lockup in downtown Chicago.

Zambada-Niebla claims that his cartel’s criminal activities were sanctioned by the regional assistant for the DEA in South America — as well as by the general director of the DEA for Mexico and DEA agents in several Mexican cities including Monterrey, Hermosillo and Mexico City. He says in the court filing that agents from the FBI and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement were involved, too.

He also says that DEA officials tipped Loya-Castro about U.S. and Mexican investigations, allowing top Sinaloa Cartel leaders such as Joaquin “Chapo” Guzman-Loera and Zambada-Niebla ’s own father, Ismael “El Mayo” Zambada, to avoid capture.

Those men, also charged in the Chicago case, remain fugitives. Guzman-Loera is considered one of the world’s top drug kingpins.

“The United States government and its various agencies have a long history of providing benefits, permission and immunity to criminals and their organizations to commit crimes, including murder, in return for receiving information against other criminals,” Zambada-Niebla ’s court filing says. “Perhaps no better example is the celebrated case of Whitey Bulger, the Boston crime boss and murderer, who, along with other members of criminal organizations, were given carte blanche by the FBI to commit murders in order to receive information about the Italian mafia and other criminal organizations in the New England area.”

Bulger, 81, was arrested June 22 in California after 16 years on the lam. His FBI handler, former Boston FBI agent John Connolly Jr., was convicted of racketeering and obstruction of justice in 2002 for warning Bulger in 1994 that he was going to be indicted. Bulger is accused of killing 19 people.

As with Bulger, the U.S. government turned a blind eye to the crimes the Sinaloa Cartel committed, Zambada-Niebla says in his court filing.

Zambada-Niebla is seeking documents to show whether Sinaloa Cartel leaders received weapons as part of their alleged cooperation with U.S. agents.

http://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/2009/August/09-ag-824.html

Department of Justice
Office of Public Affairs
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Thursday, August 20, 2009
Ten Alleged Mexican Drug Cartel Leaders Among 43 Defendants Indicted in Brooklyn and Chicago as Part of Coordinated Strike Against Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations

http://www.justice.gov/opa/documents/chapo-mayo-indictment.pdf

(details at links)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2796575/posts

Obama and the Sinaloa Cartel
To the Point News (with permission) ^ | 21 October 2011 | Dagny D’ Anconia

http://www.npr.org/2010/05/19/126906809/mexico-seems-to-favor-sinaloa-cartel-in-drug-war

Mexico Seems To Favor Sinaloa Cartel In Drug War

http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-seattle/explosive-admission-new-allegations-operation-fast-furious

U.S. federal agents allegedly cut a deal with the Sinaloa drug cartel that allowed it to traffic tons of narcotics across the border, in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to documents filed in federal court…

The allegations are made by Vicente Zambada-Niebla, a top ranking cartel boss extradited to the U.S. last year on drug charges. He is a close associate of Mexico’s most wanted man, Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman and the son of Ismael “Mayo” Zambada-Garcia…

The deal allegedly began with Humberto Loya-Castro, a Sinaloa cartel lawyer who became an informant for the D.E.A. after a drug case against him was dismissed in 2008.

According to the motion, the deal was part of a ‘divide and conquer’ strategy, where the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa cartel, through Operation Fast and Furious, in exchange for information that allowed the D.E.A. and FBI to destroy and dismantle rival Mexican cartels. Operation Fast and Furious is the failed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives anti-gun trafficking program which allowed thousand of guns to cross into Mexico.­—Fox News

http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410?source=most_viewed

Documents: Feds allegedly allowed Sinaloa cartel to move cocaine into U.S. for information
By Diana Washington Valdez / El Paso Times
Posted: 08/04/2011 08:30:37 AM MDT


43 posted on 12/30/2011 7:18:10 AM PST by maggief
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To: neverdem; All

Thanks very much for the post; ping; thread. BUMP-TO-THE-TRUTH!


44 posted on 12/30/2011 7:25:42 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Mr. Jeeves
“Arms for Cartels” is a more nuanced policy than “Arms for Hostages”. I guess. :)

Exactly. Reagan = mouth breathing war mongering neanderthal moron. Obama = Super intelligent god like supreme being.

45 posted on 12/30/2011 7:54:05 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (The patient is too far gone to save.)
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To: maggief
In the Bulger case, didn't the FBI also let a bunch of men that they new were innocent be sent to prison for about 19 years?

The American government has become a criminal enterprise.

46 posted on 12/30/2011 8:00:38 AM PST by metalurgist (I Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: maggief
In the Bulger case, didn't the FBI also let a bunch of men that they new were innocent be sent to prison for about 19 years?

The American government has become a criminal enterprise.

47 posted on 12/30/2011 8:01:07 AM PST by metalurgist (I Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: maggief
In the Bulger case, didn't the FBI also let a bunch of men that they new were innocent be sent to prison for about 19 years?

The American government has become a criminal enterprise.

48 posted on 12/30/2011 8:01:49 AM PST by metalurgist (I Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: maggief
In the Bulger case, didn't the FBI also let a bunch of men that they new were innocent be sent to prison for about 19 years?

The American government has become a criminal enterprise.

49 posted on 12/30/2011 8:02:13 AM PST by metalurgist (I Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: neverdem

News stories keep saying “botched gun running sting operation.” It was a gun running operation, period. Not botched, and not a sting.


50 posted on 12/30/2011 8:07:39 AM PST by TenthAmendmentChampion (I have a job; therefore I am in the 1%.)
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