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Wake deputy kills dog while searching for runaway teen (another 'isolated incident')
WRAL (Raleigh-Durham) ^ | December 29, 2011 | Beau Minnick

Posted on 12/30/2011 8:26:28 AM PST by bamahead

A Wake County sheriff’s deputy shot and killed a couple’s 3-year-old dog Wednesday night while searching for a runaway teenager.

John and Linda Super say two deputies came to their home on King Circle, looking for a 15-year-old neighbor who had run away and had often spent time with them.

One of the couple’s dogs, Elvis, forced his way out the front door and ran outside as the couple talked to the deputies, they said. One of the deputies shot Elvis twice, including once in the back of the head, killing him, according to the Supers.

“All we’ve got is a dead dog and a lot of questions that need answers,” Linda Super said. “(Elvis) came running out, never bothered a soul, never opened his mouth, never woofed or nothing when he came out the door.”

Wake County Sheriff Donnie Harrison said the deputy, Roderick Belfield, said the dog was barking and running towards him. Belfield will not be punished for shooting the dog.

--SNIP--

Harrison said he is investigating whether Belfield or the other deputy, Kenneth Edward Kay, used profanity while subduing John Super, who was upset after the shooting. John Super says the deputies were rough with him.

One of the runaway teen's guardians said Elvis was "vicious" and had lunged for the deputy, something the Supers dispute

“(Elvis) was my fourth child,” Linda Super said. “He was like the center of our lives.”

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


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To: MtBaldy

So if you defend yourself against home-invaders, the invaders are entitled to shoot you?


51 posted on 12/30/2011 10:07:47 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: org.whodat

The dog was still on the owners property with the owners present.

The owners ‘record’ if he has one has nothing to do with anything.


52 posted on 12/30/2011 10:09:32 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: org.whodat

Why not? The value of a conservative, to a member of a government union, is that of a dog.

Killing house dogs seems to be (at least unofficial) policy. Do you truly believe that those who kill dogs today will not one day be ordered/encouraged to kill “unwanted” people tomorrow?

Why do you suppose house dogs are shot with such regularity? It is to desensitize officers to the natural horror they would feel at gunning down law-abiding citizens.

Start with the dogs of the law-abiding citizens. Move on to the citizens themselves.


53 posted on 12/30/2011 10:11:22 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: driftdiver

That is correct and I put a gun to my head and made myself smoke for about 26 years. When I got tired of holding the gun I gave up smoking. And no longer grow tobacco. But I would be willing to bet the dead dog owner could not pass a drug test. I saw a bunch of people in a smoking area the other day, they were taking turns holding the gun.


54 posted on 12/30/2011 10:12:45 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: macquire

“Uh, perhaps that would be because the charging dog, attested to by a gardian as viscious, had charged by the 1st cop and was lunging at the 2nd cop.”

That claim is not supported by the information given in the article.

It must be those new-fangled boomerang bullets. A government agent wouldn’t possibly lie, shoot a retreating dog, and claim he was about to be attacked.


55 posted on 12/30/2011 10:13:13 AM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: driftdiver

Interfering with a minor is illegal.


56 posted on 12/30/2011 10:15:25 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: macquire

“Ever been bit? Ever been attacked by a dog? People NEED to control their dogs and stop using them as clubs for society.”

Twice

Doesn’t change the fact that cops are trigger happy and need to stop shooting dogs.


57 posted on 12/30/2011 10:16:15 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Actually, as I sit here, the two long time family dogs are both within 15 feet of my computer. Our former family dog is now my adult daughters room mate/guardian. However, they are not the "center" of my life and never will be. The full quote of the person indicated she had kids and yet the dog, as the fourth child, was the center. That is simply wrong. That was my only point - she admitted the dog was the center in the same sentence where she mentioned the rest of the kids.

My Lord, wife and kids are all ahead of the dogs. The dogs are great. We all love them. But no, they are not the center. Now as to the particulars of this case, I have no idea if it were justified or not.

58 posted on 12/30/2011 10:17:47 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: org.whodat

“But I would be willing to bet the dead dog owner could not pass a drug test. “

Who cares, they weren’t suspected in a crime.


59 posted on 12/30/2011 10:36:41 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: org.whodat

Keep trying to fabricate a reason for the cops to do what they did. It doesn’t change anything.


60 posted on 12/30/2011 10:38:25 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
Did not fabricate anything, adults have no legal right to associate with none related minors without adult guardians permission. You are the one looking for a reason the cops did something wrong. They were doing their lawful duty and they protected themselves when attack. Case closed, dog dead.
61 posted on 12/30/2011 11:00:50 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Thanks for the referral to that chilling bit of news.


62 posted on 12/30/2011 11:02:29 AM PST by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: org.whodat

They shot a dog for no reason.

You are making wild assumptions as usual.


63 posted on 12/30/2011 11:06:37 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: macquire

The dog in the family, IS the police for his domain. THAT is why cops kill them right off. Their job is to protect and serve. Simply put, the police get rid of the competition upon entering private property. If the people were rich enough to hire human security, the cops would not treat them in such a manner. Animals should be controlled, but so should police dogs. If one of them attacks you, and you fight back, you are arrested for resisting arrest. If one of them is in the process of harming you, and you kill him, you are charged with a high crime. Cops, and their animals are treated with complete deference by courts. The day will come, when people will just put down cops with the same emotion that cops put down dogs. I don’t want to see it happen, but it will be a good thing for them to fear law abiding people, and treat them like the sovereign citizens they should be.


64 posted on 12/30/2011 11:07:38 AM PST by runninglips (Republicans = 99 lb weaklings of politics. ProgressiveRepublicansInConservativeCostume)
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To: bamahead

This ever happens at my house there will be video to back my story


65 posted on 12/30/2011 11:14:21 AM PST by Figment
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Oh, my gosh. That does NOT look like a pitbull.


66 posted on 12/30/2011 11:21:03 AM PST by Politicalmom (Lazamataz for president!! NO MORE RINOS!!)
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67 posted on 12/30/2011 11:48:44 AM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: org.whodat
Sooo.... you didn't watch the video.

The American Bulldog or the Boxer is not the “druggies dog of choice.”

LOTS of dogs “force” their way out of doors — like Labs, Spaniels, Poodles, Chihuahuas, Scottish Terriers, and yes, Boxers and American Bulldogs.

This is not a Pit Bull. Contrary, to popular prejudiced opinion.

Law Enforcement are generally not trained on dog breeds, dog behavior, or dog body language. SOME LEOs are trigger-happy when it comes to dogs, because they bring their own personal fears of dogs into the situation. Anyone with dog experience can tell the difference between a FRIENDLY charging dog and an aggressive charging dog. And even aggressively charging dogs generally don't attack. Most aggressive dogs are “all bark and no bite.”

Besides, if the dog was acting aggressive to two Police Officers who were talking to the dog's owners in the yard at the time, the owners would have intervened (unless both owners were insane at the time), because no rational dog owner would allow their dog to behave aggressively towards two Police Officers who were merely standing in their front yard.

No, I was not there — but I did watch the video. And I do know dogs, and I do know LEOs who are terrified of dogs and who have stated to me that they would not hesitate to shoot a dog, any dog, that they PERCEIVED to be acting aggressively. Perception is the key — because these same LEOs have admitted knowing NOTHING about dogs, nothing about dog behavior, nothing about dog body language, nothing about the difference between excited barking and aggressive barking... And their Police Departments have spent exactly ZERO hours of training Police Officers on dogs. They only know how to “stop the threat” by use of force. In fact, I know of one case where they called a fellow Officer a pu**y for jumping onto the roof of a car to AVOID killing an aggressive dog. That Officer happened to like dogs, and although he wasn't sure whether the dog would bite him or not, he knew the dog didn't deserve to die for doing his job and protecting his own property. So he jumped onto the roof of a car, rather than shooting the dog, and he was ridiculed by his fellow Police Officers.

Police have to protect themselves — there is no doubt about that. But they should do so with proper training and due restraint before using deadly force, just like they do with humans.

68 posted on 12/30/2011 12:01:03 PM PST by BagCamAddict (OMG = Obama Must Go. Let's stay focused on the goal.)
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To: BagCamAddict

Yawn!!!!!


69 posted on 12/30/2011 2:04:17 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: driftdiver

No wild assumption. The dog broke out of the house and attack the cops and the dog is dead, end of event.


70 posted on 12/30/2011 2:11:41 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: BagCamAddict

“In fact, I know of one case where they called a fellow Officer a pu**y for jumping onto the roof of a car to AVOID killing an aggressive dog. That Officer happened to like dogs, and although he wasn’t sure whether the dog would bite him or not, he knew the dog didn’t deserve to die for doing his job and protecting his own property. So he jumped onto the roof of a car, rather than shooting the dog, and he was ridiculed by his fellow Police Officers.”

It sounds like he’s one of the good ones.

I am sorry that he has been ridiculed for refusing to conform to the union collective mentality on the subject of shooting house dogs, but please tell him to keep up the good work.


71 posted on 12/30/2011 2:18:06 PM PST by Altariel (`)
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To: Altariel

I agree. Thanks, I’ll tell him.

It’s not macho to kill dogs. It’s rather pathetic really.


72 posted on 12/30/2011 3:03:24 PM PST by BagCamAddict (OMG = Obama Must Go. Let's stay focused on the goal.)
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To: org.whodat

That’s the best you got? LOL

Shoot a dog. That will make you feel more manly.


73 posted on 12/30/2011 3:04:59 PM PST by BagCamAddict (OMG = Obama Must Go. Let's stay focused on the goal.)
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To: BagCamAddict

Another silly yawner, all stuff made up in your own mind, like the first.


74 posted on 12/30/2011 3:09:01 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: org.whodat

The dog did not attack anyone.


75 posted on 12/30/2011 4:06:17 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

No he was not able to tell what his intentions were, so I will take the deputies word for it.


76 posted on 12/30/2011 4:14:35 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: org.whodat

Yeah cause we know cops never lie and never shoot dogs for no reason.


77 posted on 12/30/2011 4:16:27 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: org.whodat
so I will take the deputies word for it.

And THAT is what makes you ignorant.

78 posted on 12/30/2011 4:24:11 PM PST by southern rock
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To: southern rock
No stupid, if the dumb dog and the dumb dogs owner had him in the house or on a dog chain he would not be dead. Now take your little insults and stick them. You do not throw rocks and or/ dogs at a man carrying a gun, it just not very smart.
79 posted on 12/30/2011 4:41:55 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: org.whodat
"But I would be willing to bet the dead dog owner could not pass a drug test."

That has got to be the most stupid conclusion from a simple article I have ever seen.

80 posted on 12/30/2011 4:54:00 PM PST by Gone_Postal
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To: PAR35
Lesson here: Don’t open your door to cops, unless they have a search warrant. Talk through the door.

Nope, don't talk to cops.......period.....

81 posted on 12/30/2011 4:57:07 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with me, then I see someone like you and realize that I’m probably okay. You might be okay as well, but I don’t want to find out.


82 posted on 12/30/2011 5:02:17 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: Gone_Postal

Why, the only idiots that I have know that would own such a POS are druggies, or trailer park trash.


83 posted on 12/30/2011 5:29:10 PM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: elkfersupper

I have done plenty of soul searching and studying and I know I am okay. It’s the rest of the world that’s on the crazy train wanting to go as fast as possible off the cliff.


84 posted on 12/30/2011 5:40:02 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: bamahead

Only the public pays - with taxes and lives for actions of incompetent cops. Why is that?


85 posted on 12/30/2011 5:40:43 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Actually it looks like - and evidently is - a Boxer.

You just showed exactly why “breed bans” are bad.

In some ways I don’t blame the cops, but at the same time, I marvel how many are scared to death by dogs and further, just shoot them. Seems to me cop school should include some instruction on the typical behavior of dogs (they are, after all, natural guards - but often it stops at alarm-calling unless you provoke them further) and when to REALLY be afraid.


86 posted on 12/30/2011 7:44:23 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

>That looks like a pitbull.<

It looks like what it is, a brindle boxer. Boxers get mistaken for pit bulls fairly often.


87 posted on 12/30/2011 7:56:23 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: org.whodat; yldstrk

>The deputy broke the pit-bull down with the first round and put him out of his pain with the last one. Common sense 101.<

Except the brave deputy was not facing a pit bull. He killed the family’s pet boxer which simply ran out the door.

Common sense? Not quite.


88 posted on 12/30/2011 8:04:16 PM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: driftdiver

Frankly, as are you and most people here assuming like crazy.

You are assuming the dog did NOT “attack”, while there is no hard evidence, just several conflicting hearsay stories. You’ve also been assuming it’s suspicious that the dog was ALLEGEDLY (we know how reliable early reports are) shot in the BACK of the head, because surely that means the dog wasn’t attacking, even though it was 1 of TWO shots. Which could mean anything. The head-shot blabbers have been going on about this as if it was the only shot. (Meanwhile, org. is assuming they “put him out of his misery” with that shot, while there is nothing in the article to support this.)

Never mind the Pit-Bull Terrier assumptions going on (Boxer, more likely - as an alleged neighbor chimed in).

Way too many assumptions going on here. People are way too glib about just exactly what happened - based on their own pre-conceived notions and prejudices.


89 posted on 12/30/2011 8:09:56 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: org.whodat

If John Q. Citizen is supposed to consider a police dog as an equal to a police officer
why do the police consider John Q. Citizen’s dogs to be a disposable nuisance?


90 posted on 12/30/2011 8:10:04 PM PST by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I actually hate to think what my reaction would be if one of my dogs were shot like that.The second shot would quite possibly have to be in my direction.I wouldn’t blame the cop either,because he would be in zero doubt about my intentions.


91 posted on 12/30/2011 8:10:10 PM PST by mitch5501 (My guitar wants to kill your momma!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

We’re not assuming that the police shot the dog when all they did was stop to ask questions.

Surely avoidable with a few less steroids.


92 posted on 12/30/2011 8:12:56 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

You got that right.


93 posted on 12/30/2011 11:59:21 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Darnright
You can call it a mouse if you wish, but Elvis has left the building.
94 posted on 12/31/2011 1:26:47 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and nervous supporters.)
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To: MtBaldy
Actually, the marine was shot for a pretty good reason.

Fascist.

95 posted on 01/01/2012 8:54:18 PM PST by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: bamahead

You’re a moron.

You really need to read up on the facts of the case. It was NOT a no-knock warrant. It was NOT the middle of the night. It was a VALID search warrant. He THREATENED them with an assault rifle. A tragedy to be sure. And maybe the warrant was obtained on shaky grounds, but the SWAT unit serving the warrant didn’t know that. Beyond the validity of the warrant, SWAT had been briefed that Guerena was considered armed and dangerous. I think the whole thing stinks but the SWAT officers at the door were rightfully defending themselves.


96 posted on 01/02/2012 12:49:18 PM PST by MtBaldy
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To: MtBaldy

I may have muffed a few of the facts in my correction rant. But if you think one of our war vets dying in gunfire - because the cops got the wrong house and had no damn business being there in the first place - and he reacted naturally by trying to defending himself, then you are still wrong about him being killed for a GOOD reason? What a moronic statement that was.

Video of the raid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP0f00_JMak&feature=player_embedded

The whole thing stunk to high hell, and still does.


97 posted on 01/02/2012 8:26:17 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

“- and he reacted naturally by trying to defending himself, then you are still wrong about him being killed for a GOOD reason? What a moronic statement that was.

I could say,”See my previous post” but I’ll give the short version again;

It was NOT the wrong house. They had a valid search warrant for THAT house.

The search warrant meant they HAD business there.

The men with POLICE stenciled on their chests, the MARKED police cars, the siren, the officer banging on the door shouting, “Police. We have a warrant, open the door!” all should have been clues to the wife it was the police outside. By the way, all of the above is supported by the video. I say he was shot for a good reason because pointing an assault rifle at a SWAT team IS a good reason for them to shoot you.

I know your hatred for the police probably blinds you to fact but you should take a look at this thread. Be warned most of the people posting ARE police:

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1347366&highlight=guerena


98 posted on 01/03/2012 6:41:30 AM PST by MtBaldy
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