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Run Ron Run! Why a 3rd Party Run by Ron Paul could help the GOP. (Vanity)
December 31, 2011 | no dems

Posted on 12/31/2011 6:36:09 AM PST by no dems

Just read on another thread where "American Idol" winner and recording artist, Kelly Clarkson has endorsed Ron Paul (spiking her CD sales 442%). He's also liked by Barry Manilow, White Supremacists, anti-Semites, the "Occupy" protesters, the anti-war crowd, and tons of other Liberals. So, I'm thinking....

Let Ron Paul run as a Third Party candidate. He is more like Dennish Kucinich than he is Rick Santorum. There are a lot of ultra-Liberals who are very disappointed with their "Hope and Change" President, but they'd never vote for a Republican. That would give them an outlet for a "protest vote" against Obozo and would actually probably help the GOP candidate. Am I right or am I crazy? Anybody???


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To: no dems
You said that if Romney is the nominee, many disaffected conservatives might go the Ron Paul route as their own protest vote. Well, those folks would stay home and not vote for Romney anyhow, so what difference would it make? There are a lot of FReepers here who say they will not vote for Romney.

By way of a very small sampling of my son's friends....the 30 year olds (eek!), they all say, to a person, they will now consider voting Ron Paul over Romney. They are extremely conservative and have been fighting the liberals and progressives since their college days. They have long email discussions over this very subject.

Paul's foreign policy is the only stumbling block to him getting this age group's conservative vote.

What crappy choices we have ended up with!

51 posted on 12/31/2011 7:48:52 AM PST by CAluvdubya (My preferred taglines are not in the running...)
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To: no dems

For every disaffected liberal there would be 100 libertarians who otherwise would vote for the Republican candidate.

A Ron Paul 3rd party run would hand the presidency to Zero — in a landslide.


52 posted on 12/31/2011 7:54:47 AM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else.)
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To: MAexile

It’s not feasible in my judgment because liberals only vote Democrat no matter what. They are undiscerning.


53 posted on 12/31/2011 7:55:02 AM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for Santorum if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: kindred

Yes, it’s my opinion....and I arrived at that opinion using common sense.

The radicals will use ANY means to get Obama reelected. A 3rd party attempt will siphon off votes to the contrary.


54 posted on 12/31/2011 7:55:42 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: no dems
I absolutely DETEST Romney! I hate his policies, his state, his hair, I even hate his religion (there I said it) But if he is the Republican nominee, I'll vote for him.

I won't do anything that might make it easier for “the one” to take the throne again.

Perot was a skunk and he deliberately set GHW Bush up for defeat. Paul is insane and should not be allowed anywhere near the WH.

55 posted on 12/31/2011 7:59:20 AM PST by Ditter
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To: no dems

For all those who say a third party vote for Paul vs. Romney insures an obama win: If Romney is the best the republican party can offer then YOU deserve another term of obama.


56 posted on 12/31/2011 8:04:44 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...
He's also liked by Barry Manilow, White Supremacists, anti-Semites, the "Occupy" protesters, the anti-war crowd, and tons of other Liberals.
Thanks no dems.
57 posted on 12/31/2011 8:06:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: servantboy777

“I’ve never been against a 3rd party run by candidates....except for this year!”

There is NEVER a perfect time to run a 3rd party challenge, and this is part of how the gop keeps conservatives on the Grand Old Plantation.

The left will ALWAYS run a candidate that is horrible from our perspective. What is unusual about this election cycle is that the likely gop candidate is about as horrible.

To rebel only in summer and when the conditions are perfect is to not rebel.


58 posted on 12/31/2011 8:09:24 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (The gop is as much a plantation for conservatives as the 'rat party is for blacks.)
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To: elephant

Dead right my friend. Paula is a nut case.A3rd party will secure another 4 years for Obama ..anyone with half a brain can figure that out .
A TRUE conservative is the only way to go


59 posted on 12/31/2011 8:11:25 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: elephant

Dead right my friend. Paul is a nut case. A 3rd party will secure another 4 years for Obama ..anyone with half a brain can figure that out .
A TRUE conservative is the only way to go


60 posted on 12/31/2011 8:11:51 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: La Lydia

THIS IS ANOTHER PLOY BY THE PAUL FANATICS TO GET PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR HIM ..
PLEASEEEEEE SPARE ME THIS BULL..NICE TRY PAULTARDS


61 posted on 12/31/2011 8:14:25 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: bcsco
Paul’s support is a mile wide and 1/16” deep. All this chatter is only meant to muck up the Republican primary process

I truly believe Paul is there simply to cover Romney's backside and assure Romney's win.

62 posted on 12/31/2011 8:14:46 AM PST by caww
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To: servantboy777

3rd party independent conservative run would be just dandy with me
ARE YOU KIDDING ME ..SERIOUSLY ARE YOU FOR REAL ?
3rd party assures an Obama victory. Man , I though people on FR had some common sense about politics


63 posted on 12/31/2011 8:15:49 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: MAexile

Paul is a viable alternative
No he’s not. He will NEVER be president , NEVER . His published pamphlets alone would sink him in 5 seconds and his out of control radical foreign policy is laughable to a vast majority of thinking people . Never happen and a waste of time thinking of it . 3rd party and Obama is in . Anyone with a basic knowledge of politics KNOWS that


64 posted on 12/31/2011 8:19:12 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: Bryanw92

The thread should end at your post since it is the correct call.


65 posted on 12/31/2011 8:19:54 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: sonic109

IDIOCY...ALL third party runs assure democrat victories...whether it is Looney Tunes Paul or Egomaniac Trump, the result is the same...a democrat victory...

Perot gave us Clinton who had only 41% of the vote.


66 posted on 12/31/2011 8:22:25 AM PST by Moby Grape (Formerly Impeach the Boy...name change necessary after the Marxist won)
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To: no dems
But, Conservatives learned their lesson in ‘92. By voting for Perot, they gave us Bill and Hillary for life. They won’t make that mistake again.

Not if Mittens is given the GOP crown......I have seen some here state they would rather BO ruin the country than a faux-Republican.

67 posted on 12/31/2011 8:25:16 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (Disgusted with it all.)
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To: RKBA Democrat
>>There is NEVER a perfect time to run a 3rd party challenge<<

Well, that's where we disagree. I refuse to compromise my conservative principals to keep moderate left leaning republicans in power.

It is my view, those who vote election cycle after election cycle for the lesser of two evils or vote republican...because, well I'm republican are complicit in the march toward socialism. With all due respect of course.

If the republican party ceases to field conservative candidates, it is my responsibility to seek out the candidate that will likely support policy that will save this republic and defend the constitution as a mother with child.

Whether we arrive at a socialistic, liberty inhibiting, constitution usurping society quickly or at a slower pace, it's still socialism.

Folks do our nation no favors voting the party line at the expense of the republic.

68 posted on 12/31/2011 8:25:21 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: bigdirty

The Commited leftists would vote for Obama.

The youth druggie constituence - would very likely go for Wrong Paul.

O’braindead has failed to deliver on the promised utopia, and the kids will abandon him.

Hope and change turned out to be living in their parent’s basement with no jobs in site, and Mom and Dad are making them do laundry and be home by ten at night. Who knew change meant you still have a curfew when you’re 23?


69 posted on 12/31/2011 8:25:42 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Moby Grape

YEP , you are right my friend. This is THE most important American election ever. Obama must be defeated at all cost and voting for Paul certainly will not attain that goal.


70 posted on 12/31/2011 8:27:54 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: MrEdd

The youth druggie constituency usually winds up watching tv election day and doesn’t vote at all.


71 posted on 12/31/2011 8:30:12 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: MrEdd

The youth druggie constituency usually winds up watching tv election day and doesn’t vote at all.


72 posted on 12/31/2011 8:30:22 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: no dems

I don’t give a damn about what paul does.


73 posted on 12/31/2011 8:31:58 AM PST by richardtavor
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To: david1313
This is not flippant.

No, not flippant, just delusional as to the political leanings of Paultards.

Paultards are, almost to a man hedonists who want a life without responsibility or consequence and as correctly pointed out they vote left.

74 posted on 12/31/2011 8:40:16 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Dr. Sivana
Position by position, Perot was more like Kucinich than Reagan, and yet his persona won him an inordinate number of conservative votes.

I call bullshit.

Perot spent his own money to rescue Vietnam war prisoners.

Perot was for a balanced budget.

Perot's Company made money by selling IBM services to the Feds with medicare/medicade and the Blue Cross/Shield scam and so was a hypocrite about gummint spending but to say he was like kokospinach is just way off base.

Perot was no Reagan but dennis the menace is a communist through and through.

75 posted on 12/31/2011 8:41:54 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: sonic109
I am not for a 3rd party run this year due to the danger O-bozo presents.

I've not had an issue with 3rd party candidates in the past simply because the republican party has veered left.

Sorry if that touches your sensibilities. I don't vote the party line.

It's all about perception. I feel those who vote for left leaning RINO’s are complicit in the march toward an erosion of personal liberties and a socialistic society.

I will not be responsible for the destruction of this nation because I hold loyalty toward a party..not gonna happen.

Republican party better fix their candidates. Falls squarely on the party's shoulders.

Compassionate conservatism? Really? John “The Maverick for Change” McCain? Seriously? Mitt “used car salesman” Romney? are you kidding?

If this nation falls apart in part due to y’alls blind loyalty, it'll then fall squarely on the shoulders of those deceived by this corrupt two party mafia.

By the way, remember the HUGE sucking sound? Turns out Perot sent up the warning flag of things to come.

We've lost millions of good paying manufacturing position during the HUGE sucking sound.

Turns out, he was right. Problem is, there wasn't enough courageous Americans willing to step outta the boat to make a real difference at that time in history.

Step out of the boat and come on in for the big win...will ya!

76 posted on 12/31/2011 8:45:21 AM PST by servantboy777
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To: sonic109

They voted in 2008 though. in massive numbers.


77 posted on 12/31/2011 8:46:10 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: USS Alaska

Perot was a pro-abort
Perot was for a 50 cent additional gas tax ($1 today)
Perot showed no interest in reducing structural spending
Perot endorsed Clinton


78 posted on 12/31/2011 8:47:39 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: no dems

The only third party candidate that would help the GOP is Hillary Clinton, and that won’t happen.


79 posted on 12/31/2011 8:48:51 AM PST by MCF
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To: USS Alaska
Perot was no Reagan but dennis the menace is a communist through and through.

okay, then how about Lieberman or Scoop Jackson? Not a commie, but no conservative.
80 posted on 12/31/2011 8:54:08 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: elephant

So my guess was correct, you have no basis that Obama would win if someone was on a third party. And a bit overreaction (”how dare you”) don’t you think?


81 posted on 12/31/2011 8:55:38 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: sonic109
No he’s not. He will NEVER be president , NEVER .

Yeah, I know. That's the problem.

The only way I can see Paul out flanking Obama is on Foreign policy, 911 truther stuff. That's not going to happen.

I think you're taking me a little of context here...

82 posted on 12/31/2011 9:01:52 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: servantboy777

I am not for a 3rd party run this year due to the danger O-bozo presents
I agree with you there . The strategy is for US to take over the GOP ( as they suck for sure ) But this election is VERY dangerous to play with .
My FIRST priority is to make sure Obama looses. If he wins all else is a moot point as there will be no country left to save , not by a 3rd , 4th or 5th party . It won’t matter. I HATE Mitt be assured of that .
I am not for a 3rd party run this year due to the danger O-bozo presents
We agree here !


83 posted on 12/31/2011 9:03:41 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: elephant
Ross Perot ran in 1996 as well.

And Clinton still pulled 49.2% of the vote. Perot got 8.4%.

Without Perot that could have been closer than 2000...

84 posted on 12/31/2011 9:09:53 AM PST by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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To: MrEdd

3rd party , Obama wins. THAT is the reality . My reality is that Obama MUST NOT WIN . If he does nothing else much will matter afterwards as America will become a bankrupt ,3rd world sh*t hole.


85 posted on 12/31/2011 9:16:05 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: MAexile

Got ya buddy .


86 posted on 12/31/2011 9:17:09 AM PST by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: no dems

You could be correct, but it would depend on what issues Paul would concentrate on and on how he would direct his attacks. On the whole though, I think that Paul would not attack Obama from the Left and he seems far more likely on the net to take votes from the GOP and to benefit Obama.


87 posted on 12/31/2011 9:20:58 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: no dems

Gary Johnson is already running as a Libertarian. And there is also going to be a Green candidate.


88 posted on 12/31/2011 9:27:30 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: no dems

I’d love to see a bunch of candidates. I hope there is a leftist challenge to Hussein, such as McKinney, Nader, or someone of that ilk. Someone well enough known to take some lefty votes.


89 posted on 12/31/2011 9:35:08 AM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: no dems
That would give them an outlet for a "protest vote" against Obozo and would actually probably help the GOP candidate. Am I right or am I crazy? Anybody???

I don't think there are nearly enough "thinking" Dem voters to sway things one way or another. The vast majority of Rat voters are simply mindless sheep that vote whichever way the MSM wants them to, easily controlled with propaganda and scare tactics. Unfortunately, there's a sizable chunk of the Repub voting block that is also easily controlled by the MSM.

So in the end, for a 3rd party candidate to have any chance at all of affecting the outcome of the election, the MSM would have to get behind them - and there's no way that's going to happen. We already know who the MSM anointed candidates are - ObaMao & Willard. I don't believe there are enough independently thinking non-sheeple voters on either the left OR right to change this. A third party candidate would get no support from the MSM, and would ultimately affect at most a percentage point or two in terms of swaying the overall vote. Which camp this 1%-2% swing would come from is anyone's best guess. But either way, we're going to end up with an MSM-anointed status-quo elitist in the executive office once this election is done.

90 posted on 12/31/2011 9:35:40 AM PST by MCH
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To: La Lydia

A Romney nomination helps to re-elect Obama, whenter or not Paul runs 3rd party. But people don’t seem to be worried about that ... especially the RNC

Hmmm?


91 posted on 12/31/2011 9:37:24 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: nagdt

Problem is turnout would be so high from the left if both Obama and Paul were on the ticket, that even if we won the presidency, we would lose the House and Senate as they all checked off the down-ticket Ds.

Basically, we’ve got the presidency locked up if we nominate Newt, and definitely can’t win if we nominate Romney or Paul. Everyone else has a 50/50 chance.


92 posted on 12/31/2011 10:11:05 AM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Obama in 2012!)
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Don’t be stupid, Be a smarty,
Come and join the Ron Paul Party!


93 posted on 12/31/2011 11:07:21 AM PST by Tex-Con-Man (T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII 2012 - "Together, I Shall Ride You To Victory")
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To: elephant; autumnraine

Apparently, elephant, you didnt even read the Vanity Post.


94 posted on 12/31/2011 11:08:16 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: MAexile

Ref. your Post #21: Yes, your last statement is not only reasonable but is exactly the point I made in the Vanity Post.


95 posted on 12/31/2011 11:10:41 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: sonic109

The reality is that if a socialist wins it does not matter one damned bit if that socialist is Obama, or someone else. A socialist in the Republican party is actually worse than Obama as it gives the left both parties.

You really need to grow up and leave the highschool popularity contest view of politics your post just presented. There is a bigger and deeper view of the world that most adults grow into.


96 posted on 12/31/2011 11:13:19 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: no dems

Seems Paul is running to keep his message alive - keep the country strong through sound money and non military involvement. His message is not supported now but let’s see in 2016 when he won’t be the issue. So I doubt he will run 3rd party unless the GOP kicks him out of debates.


97 posted on 12/31/2011 11:22:03 AM PST by ex-snook ("above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: RKBA Democrat

In my view, this election basically ended for the worst for conservatives the day Sarah Palin decided not to run.
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Yeah; Sarah, Jim DeMint, Paul Ryan..... the good ones decided, for whatever reason, not to run. So, we ended up with RINOs (Romney and Huntsman), wackos (Paul and Bachmann) and dummies (Perry and Cain). (Yes, I know I did not include Santorum and Gingrich in the RINOs, wackos and dummies). And, as far as Herman Cain, whom you mentioned......

Thank God we found out about Herman Cain before he got the nomination. I still say that if he was innocent of the charges, he would have stood and fought instead of running and hiding behind his wife and God. He let down a lot of people.


98 posted on 12/31/2011 11:28:27 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

By the time Texas gets to vote in a primary....Iowa and NE states have already chosen the candidate.
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If Ron Paul comes in first or second in Iowa, IMO, they are no longer relevant and should lose their “first in the nation” status.


99 posted on 12/31/2011 11:33:24 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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To: MAexile

Ref. your Post #32: I’ll tell you how to explain ‘96.

#1. It’s hard to defeat an incumbent.

#2. The GOP nominated a crusty, old fart who was entrenched in the Establishment just because it was his turn.


100 posted on 12/31/2011 11:40:23 AM PST by no dems (I'm more concerned with America's future than I am Newt's past.)
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