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(2012) Mayans couldn't even see their own End of Days
Winnipeg Free Press ^ | 12/31/2011 | Staff Writer

Posted on 12/31/2011 5:36:59 PM PST by DogByte6RER

Mayans couldn't even see their own End of Days

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MY prediction for the year 2012, which I am told begins tomorrow, is that the world will not end. This is despite the belief that the Mayan calendar says that it will. The calendar was devised 5,125 years ago by the Mayans of Central America, a people who never had the wit to invent the wheel, but it runs out on Dec. 21, 2012. The End of Days, so to speak.

If, as some seers suggest, thats an accurate prediction, you have less than a year to get your affairs in order and shed your worldly wealth so you can go unencumbered into the darkness. Feel free to put that burden on me. You know where to reach me.

On the other hand, before you write those cheques and put them in the mail or hand over your liquor cabinets, you might want to consider some other things. Its possible the Mayan calendar ends next Dec. 21 simply because they couldnt count as high as 5,126. Lots of people cant, and who cares when you are counting things like calendar days, which are arbitrary anyway.

The year as we know it today has 365 days, except that it doesnt exactly. That is why 2012 -- theres that date again -- as well as being the Mayan end of world, is also a leap year in which February has 29 days instead of its usual 28 so that we will not fall behind in time. One supposes that, if it werent for leap years, we would have a few more months at least before the Mayan calendar comes crashing down on us.

Another thing to consider is that the Mayans, clever as they were -- their calendar was unusually accurate even though it didnt go very far -- were not any more prescient than any other people. They didnt know what the future holds any more than you or I do. If they had known, they might have been better prepared for the Spanish conquest that began in the 16th century and has reduced them today to being not an empire, not even a nation, not even a tribe. For the Mayans, the End of Days came cruel and early, long before their calendar had run out.

People forget that calendars are arbitrary things, that we measure time by our wrist watches and wall clocks that gods and cosmic forces pay no attention to. The world is too much with us, thankfully, and, one hopes, will be for some time. In the meantime, its worth remembering some age-old advice -- live every day as if it were your last. Dont wait until Dec. 21 to make things right with your relatives or to kick up your heels. But if you insist on believing in Mayan doomsday prophesies -- and I know there are some of you out there -- dont forget to write.


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My pet theory about the Mayan calendar ... the calendar maker was busy making up the calendar, and when he got to the year 2012 (our time, A.D.) the Spanish conquistadores came in, said to the calendar maker "It's time to roll" and put the calendar maker in a Catholic mission.

Makes sense to me.

1 posted on 12/31/2011 5:37:19 PM PST by DogByte6RER
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To: DogByte6RER

Anyone out there know what the GREEK word “APOCALYPSE” means???


2 posted on 12/31/2011 5:42:00 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DogByte6RER

My calendar ends on 31 December. Does that mean the world ends tonight?


3 posted on 12/31/2011 5:43:07 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DogByte6RER

My calendar ends on 31 December. Does that mean the world ends tonight?


4 posted on 12/31/2011 5:43:26 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: DogByte6RER

I think it’s like our own calendar.
Every 365 days we start over. Only
the Mayan calendar starts over
every 2000 years.

You think we should all freak out
on December 31st (many do anyway)
just because it’s the last day of
the calendar? Doesn’t mean the
world is going to end.

I like your reasoning too. Pretty
funny.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!


5 posted on 12/31/2011 5:44:53 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: bigheadfred
Greek: ἀποκάλυψις apokálypsis; "lifting of the veil" or "revelation" Or, something like that.
6 posted on 12/31/2011 5:46:05 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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Well, I for one am glad that the world will be ending on 12/21/2012. That will give me a whole week to see Peter Jackson's "The Hobbit," maybe more than once if it's as good as it looks in the trailer, since it's going to released on 12/14/2012.

Mark

7 posted on 12/31/2011 5:46:13 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: DogByte6RER
Today us the last day of your life so far.

8 posted on 12/31/2011 5:47:55 PM PST by I see my hands (The old sod ne'er shall be forgot.)
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To: DogByte6RER; a fool in paradise

The Mayans accurately predicted so many things (too numerous to list here) that I cannot help but trust them on the end of the world date.


9 posted on 12/31/2011 5:50:58 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: I see my hands

Reminds me of a comment from a 101 year old woman in Troy Michigan when asked if she’s lived in Troy her whole life.

She said “Not yet”


10 posted on 12/31/2011 5:51:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Well ... let’s chat this time next year. ; )


11 posted on 12/31/2011 5:53:25 PM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: Jo Nuvark

————Every 365 days we start over. -——

Actually the number is at least 1461.

4*365 +1=1461

1 is Feb 29


12 posted on 12/31/2011 5:54:07 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bigheadfred

Unveiling or something along those lines.


13 posted on 12/31/2011 5:54:54 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: DogByte6RER

Those of us christians know the world won’t end in 2012. We know tribulation is coming perhaps soon but after that Christ sets up His millenium rule on earth—of course 1000 years. The end of the age might be upon us but not the end of the world.


14 posted on 12/31/2011 6:05:25 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: DogByte6RER

They were accomplished astronomers.

If there’s any indication from the known Mayan artifacts that this whole calendar issue is in relation to some recurring astronomical phenomenon, I’d think further study would be in order, rather than popular hype or the flip side of that, ridicule.

There was a large meteorite that was believed to have exploded over the Alps around 3100 AD, as best I recall, and the backplume of that explosion has been speculated to be the cause of the destruction of two rather infamous cities.

FIts rather well with their cycle, if I’m not mistaken.


15 posted on 12/31/2011 6:05:25 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bigheadfred

“Apocalypse” and “Revelation” mean the same both being the title of the final book of the New Testament: as noted, a `revealing’ an `opening’ as of a book or prophecy.

“Apocalyptic” is often misused to connote “catastrophic”, “civilization-ending”, “end of the world as we know it” (well.... that is sort of what is predicted in the Book of Revelation).

Anyway, what makes the ancient Mayans so far-seeing? They practiced human sacrifice (after killing their victims the priests wore their flayed skins - yuk!), couldn’t even invent or use the wheel, had no knowledge of metallurgy and wielded knives made of chipped obsidian, and got walked over by a handful of Spaniards with primitive muskets.

So what’s to admire or learn from?


16 posted on 12/31/2011 6:08:41 PM PST by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: RegulatorCountry

“-——over the Alps around 3100 AD “


Huh?


17 posted on 12/31/2011 6:11:28 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: DogByte6RER

>>My pet theory about the Mayan calendar ... the calendar maker was busy making up the calendar, and when he got to the year 2012 (our time, A.D.) the Spanish conquistadores came in, said to the calendar maker “It’s time to roll” and put the calendar maker in a Catholic mission.<<

The Mayan calendar is an extremely complex mechanism made up of “wheels within wheels” gears that accurately marked time — much more than the one we use.

The 2012 date is when all the gears hit the end of the mechanism.


18 posted on 12/31/2011 6:11:36 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: DogByte6RER

I married a Mayan. Trust me, we have nothing to fear. ;-)


19 posted on 12/31/2011 6:11:59 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: DogByte6RER

That is generally my take, maybe they just stopped there for some reason. A second idea I have is that it is like your car reaching 100,000 miles, the odometer just flips over to start again.


20 posted on 12/31/2011 6:13:44 PM PST by Nowhere Man ("People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." - V for Vendetta)
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To: Mears

Why, I was referring to future history of course, lol.

I meant BC.


21 posted on 12/31/2011 6:13:44 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: cripplecreek

Love it — CC you made me chuckle for the first time today - Tanks!


22 posted on 12/31/2011 6:16:24 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: bert
————Every 365 days we start over. -——

Actually the number is at least 1461.

4*365 +1=1461

1 is Feb 29

Remember years ending in '00' have no leap year.;)

23 posted on 12/31/2011 6:16:55 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Salvavida

Let me guess ... is her name Maya?!? : )


24 posted on 12/31/2011 6:17:03 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: freedumb2003

Too much time wasted on this theory that was thought up by westerners when the really interesting part is the amazing calendar the Mayans came up with.

If I were Mayan I’d be rather irritated with the whole thing.


25 posted on 12/31/2011 6:17:33 PM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: DogByte6RER
There is no end of the world coming. The Mayans wrote their calendars in cycles. One calendar ends, another calendar begins. Much as it is with our cyclic calendar that ends every year. Is it the end of the world today, because our calendar ends? No, we begin a new cycle tomorrow. The current Mayan calendar ends next December. They would have wrote another, but their civilization collapsed before they got around to it.

I think we have more to worry about Obama ending civilization, than some ancient calendar.

26 posted on 12/31/2011 6:21:36 PM PST by roadcat
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To: tflabo

The mayans however knew because they calculated their calendar with absolute precision

Their basis was facts and precise math


27 posted on 12/31/2011 6:21:36 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bigheadfred

“Anyone out there know what the GREEK word “APOCALYPSE” means???”

Yes.


28 posted on 12/31/2011 6:23:00 PM PST by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: DogByte6RER

If you look at the Mayan long-count calendar, 12/21/2012 is simply the end of a long cycle, or b’ak’tun. Then a new b’ak’tun begins.

The long cycle beginning on 12/21/12 will itself end on 03/26/2407; the calendar goes forward til 10/13/4772, using the Gregorian calendar, in A.D.

I have a friend who absolutely swears the world’s going to end on 12/21/12, so that’s why she doesn’t feel she has to worry about paying her credit card bills. I’ve told her (repeatedly) she’s going to be awfully disappointed when the world DOESN’T end as she’s looking forward to. She subscribes to the Planet X/Nibiru theory. That being said, I will confess to enjoying immensely the film “2012”; chowing down on popcorn and guzzling Pepsi while billions perish in an unprecedented cataclysm is a highly satisfying experience. I love disaster movies, and “2012” was pretty much the be-all end-all of disaster films. Somewhere, Irwin Allen was smiling.

Happy New Year to one and all, by the way. Wishing everyone a good 2012.


29 posted on 12/31/2011 6:23:34 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Mikey_1962

So....... The cycle is longer than I thought


30 posted on 12/31/2011 6:23:50 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Vermont Lt; DogByte6RER

Right. Right. The Mayans New Age begins shortly.

It is our Christian background that predicts 3 billion rotting bodies in the street.

Happy New Year!!!!


31 posted on 12/31/2011 6:25:36 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DogByte6RER

I believe that the world will end on December 31 2011 because that is when my calendar ends.


32 posted on 12/31/2011 6:26:52 PM PST by Tramonto (Draft Palin)
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To: Mears

The Köfels, Austria impact event is what I was recalling.

There’s almost as much hype and flimflam swirling around that one as there is this, since there’s some cuneiform tablet reputed to be an eyewitness account.

But, the factuality of the impact and the timing of it are not a topic of controversy that I’m aware, and it’s that, that gives me a little pause.


33 posted on 12/31/2011 6:27:42 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: elcid1970

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2827258/posts?page=31#31


34 posted on 12/31/2011 6:28:03 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: DogByte6RER

Oddly enough, the Aztecs, however, *did* very accurately predict their own end, to within a week or two.

A very regimented society, strictly ruled by their calendar, which predicted the end of the world on the first day of their month of “Corn”, aka “1 Corn”. Either way, it would have been a disaster, with either the return of Quetzalcoatl and the end of their world, *or*, if the calendar were wrong, lots of priests were going to meet their end and they would have to rewrite their calendar, a nationally traumatic experience.

But right on schedule, runners came in from the coast, bearing news of giant things that came out of the Sun, carrying with them tall beings with six legs and shiny skin.

In this case, Spanish ships arriving from the East at dawn, from which descended armored Conquistadors on horseback.

This to people who had never seen ships, armor or horses, was pretty intimidating. Very easy to confuse with Quetzalcoatl. So the general consensus was that everybody was going to die.

Once the Conquistadors arrived in the capital, it didn’t take long for the Aztecs to figure out that they were not gods. But they were still entirely alien, and could not be explained at all by their calendar.

This meant that their reality was shattered. Nobody knew what to do anymore. By the time the diseases hit, many of them had already given up. And though they eventually drove out the Conquistadors for a time, the game was over and their world destroyed.

It should be noted that many empires in Mezoamerica were fatalistic, for the simple reason that they were surrounded by the ruins of other empires that had fallen apart.

And though we have no evidence that they ever invented wheels for vehicles, they did grasp the concept of the wheel, as some of their children’s toys had wheels.

Here is the calendar that fouled everything up.

http://rainbowcrystal.com/altar/P-90azteccalendar.jpg


35 posted on 12/31/2011 6:30:23 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: elcid1970

And one more thing. If you just walked in off the street and listened to a story about Christianity, what would stop you from saying “They believe in human sacrifice and cannibalism” ???


36 posted on 12/31/2011 6:30:46 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bigheadfred

I have to say that I think that the 3 billion rotting bodies in the street are already here.

They collect welfare checks, form flashmobs to go on shoplifting sprees, and carry “Occupy Wall Street” signs!

Happy 2012 to everyone as well.


37 posted on 12/31/2011 6:34:25 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: Salvavida

Sincerest condolences


38 posted on 12/31/2011 6:35:02 PM PST by stormhill
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To: DogByte6RER

Hurry Hurry....sign up now to be placed on the FR “End of the World” PING list. I won’t believe it unless I read about it right here on good ole FR....


39 posted on 12/31/2011 6:40:19 PM PST by tflabo (Restore the Republic)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

That is the SAME design on a large bowl my wife keeps in the cupboard!

We freqently use it for nachos and salsa and such.


40 posted on 12/31/2011 6:40:56 PM PST by DogByte6RER ("Loose lips sink ships")
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To: DogByte6RER

I saw a cartoon similar to that: Two Mayans are looking at the stone wheel and the one says, “I’m out of room on this one.” The other one says, “That’s really gonna screw with somebody in the future!”


41 posted on 12/31/2011 6:44:42 PM PST by LS
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To: AnAmericanAbroad
I'm glad I scrolled down. Thanks for some common sense.

The Mayans didn't even invent the Long Count. Variations were in use by the Olmecs and Zapotecs long before the Mayan civilization emerged around 300 A.D. The Mayans were excellent astronomers and mathematicians and they simply refined the system to their own religious beliefs and conventions.

Your Irwin Allen comment made me smile too! It's too bad he's no longer around to produce disaster flicks. Between the 2012 and the Gorebull Warming nonsense he'd be able to rake in millions.

42 posted on 12/31/2011 6:47:18 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: Mears

Here’s a reputable link, from The University of Bristol:

http://www.bris.ac.uk/news/2008/212017945233.html


43 posted on 12/31/2011 7:01:26 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bert

It’s longer than that. If the year ending in “00” is evenly divisible by 400, the extra day is not omitted. That’s why we had a February 29, 2000.


44 posted on 12/31/2011 7:03:20 PM PST by wolfpat (Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to be always a child. -- Cicero)
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To: Bernard Marx

Very true....there are many variations on the Long Count used by all the Mesoamerican cultures.

Irwin Allen was one-of-a-kind that’s for sure....I think of Roland Emmerich as his spiritual successor, and I believe Emmerich once said that Irwin Allen was a major influence for his own disaster films. “Independence Day”, “The Day After Tomorrow”, “2012”; in each and every one, human civilization comes to an end in grand style!

Coincidentally, I’m planning on spending next Christmas with some Ugandan friends of mine.....in Kampala. I’ve known them for years, and they invited me to spend the Christmas and New Year’s season there, so why not? It’s certainly warmer there in December than it is in Europe. And the way I look at it, if Roland Emmerich’s “2012” turns out to be a tad more prophetic than what could be assumed at first glance, then I’ll be sitting pretty; if you recall, the only land mass left above water at the end of that film......

was Africa. Bwahahahahahaha!


45 posted on 12/31/2011 7:03:51 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: AnAmericanAbroad

Good news is they’ve got medicine for that


46 posted on 12/31/2011 7:07:53 PM PST by stormhill
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To: DugwayDuke

lol


47 posted on 12/31/2011 7:28:43 PM PST by Figment
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To: Revolting cat!
HAPPY NEW YEAR... (All 346 days of it!)


48 posted on 12/31/2011 7:43:57 PM PST by mcmuffin ("Wanting your country back is not the same thing as working to take it back." JB Williams, Patriot U)
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To: Mikey_1962

Remember years ending in ‘00’ have no leap year.;)

They do once every 400 years. Ala 2000 had a Feb 29


49 posted on 12/31/2011 7:48:41 PM PST by Figment
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To: RegulatorCountry

Well aren’t you nice. Thanks for that link.

Happy New Year !


50 posted on 12/31/2011 7:51:18 PM PST by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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