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"The illegals I met last night."
Self | 1/1/2012 | Bern Pearson

Posted on 01/01/2012 8:10:22 AM PST by Gen.Blather

I met some illegal Mexicans last night at a party. Several years ago I stayed with a couple of wonderful Mexican families in the Baja below California. These were well-off people. The homes, on average were beautifully tiled and some of them had mahogany inlaid walls, bookshelves and cabinetry that would cost a hundred-thousand dollars here. So, I’m guessing if they aren’t rich they’re very comfortable. The elderly not as well-off grandfather, while living in Mexico was receiving Social Security from the United States and owned a rent-free apartment in California which he used as his address to receive several forms of assistance checks from Californian agencies. He visited the apartment once a week to re-arrange things and make it looked lived in. He had a car, a Toyota Corolla that looked quite nice and had working air-conditioning. I gathered it was supplied as some form of assistance and he generally left it in California at the apartment. The apartment was about 1100 square feet and very livable. The grandfather told me most of entire complex, easily a 1000 units, were like him, on Californian assistance, but actually living in Mexico.

At the party were a couple of teenage boys from this family. Very nice kids. I’d be proud to have them as my own; diligent, hard working, trouble-free and much more adult than you’d expect from that age. They told me that they’d decided to go to high school in California instead of Mexico. They said that the (California) government gave them an apartment and they travel back to Mexico on the weekends. (I don’t know if they’re staying alone or if a family member is staying with them, but if I had to guess, they came alone.)

When I posted information on this family last time, Freepers angrily asked why I hadn’t reported them. Firstly, I was a well-treated guest. Secondly, this must be obvious to the casual observer. Even if I knew who to report it to in California, which I don’t, it is obvious that this is how it’s done. These people are only taking advantage of “benefits” put there for them. Not to avail themselves of these benefits would be like deciding not to take candy freely offered to you.


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The Californian insanity.
1 posted on 01/01/2012 8:10:24 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
Not to avail themselves of these benefits would be like deciding not to take candy freely offered to you.

I could get all kinds of state aid but I don't.
2 posted on 01/01/2012 8:14:49 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Gen.Blather

>>Firstly, I was a well-treated guest.<<

Dude, I can roll with the rest of your post, but this part is unbelievable.

So if you were a well-treated guest, and your host picked up a knife and slashed his family to death, would you just smile and walk out the door? You were well-treated, afterall.


3 posted on 01/01/2012 8:15:01 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: cripplecreek

Amen.

I have a nephew with four kids, a wife and two jobs.
He makes 35,000 a year. They turn down all aid, including free breakfasts and lunches.

Lots of candy has been offered to them.


4 posted on 01/01/2012 8:16:56 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: cripplecreek

VERY WELL SAID!

My sister’s wife’s father who is 75-80 years old came over from India less than five years ago. He’d never spent a day in this country but now receives free medical care and SSI. UNFRICKINGBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!! Is this legal?


5 posted on 01/01/2012 8:19:23 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Gen.Blather
They said that the (California) government gave them an apartment and they travel back to Mexico on the weekends. (I don’t know if they’re staying alone or if a family member is staying with them, but if I had to guess, they came alone.)

It's probably risky to put anything past California when it comes to illegals, but that arrangement sounds pretty implausible. An apartment for teenagers? It'd be interesting to know just what sort of circumstances led to these government paid benefits you describe.

6 posted on 01/01/2012 8:19:41 AM PST by Will88
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To: cripplecreek

You should! State AID is your money, if you are tax payer. The only way you can get your own money back from state is to claim some benefits, obviously legally.
Not paying taxes is not an option, but you can do the next best thing and get the benefits of them totally legit.


7 posted on 01/01/2012 8:20:04 AM PST by alex2011
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To: Gen.Blather; cripplecreek

Here’s a simple solution;

No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no public assistance

Not perfect, but a good start.


8 posted on 01/01/2012 8:20:17 AM PST by umgud
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To: Gen.Blather
The Californian insanity.

The insanity that the rest of the taxpayers and their children in the U.S. will be paying for when this state goes belly-up and has to be bailed out while leaving all of its dysfunctional welfare programs intact.

Watch!

9 posted on 01/01/2012 8:22:48 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Gen.Blather

Free candy that they *are not* actually entitled to... That’s the main point.

And the well-treated guest gets to pay for it.


10 posted on 01/01/2012 8:22:52 AM PST by LastNorwegian
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To: alex2011

Does anyone believe the California state government would do ANYTHING about this? The folks in Sacramento WANT people like this living in their state, receiving money taken from hard-working citizens.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 8:22:53 AM PST by ChocChipCookie
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To: alex2011

Its slavery.


12 posted on 01/01/2012 8:24:01 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

This is the norm for immigrants, even legal ones. Don’t worry, this all is going to come crashing down on US. Our unfunded liabilities are now over 100 trillion dollars if you count SS, Medicare, Medicaid and the rest. I don’t see our GNP of about $15 Trillion going anywhere but down if you adjust for inflation. We, as a sovereign, free nation are done.


13 posted on 01/01/2012 8:24:57 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: umgud

“Not perfect, but a good start.”

Si.

I mean, Yer dern tootin’.

Happy Sunday.


14 posted on 01/01/2012 8:25:02 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains
My sister’s wife’s father....

Your whaaaaat?
Did you get tripped up or is that for real?

15 posted on 01/01/2012 8:25:46 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Yep. Go to any major airport in the U.S., go to the international terminal and watch all the elderly in wheel chairs, mostly from the Mideast and Asia, pouring in to “visit” and get free medical care and SSI. Hundreds a month are pouring in and have been for the past 10-20 years. Don’t believe me, go to the airport and watch. Adding to the sinking U.S. lifeboat....pathetic. Compliments of the U.S. taxpayer. Suckers.


16 posted on 01/01/2012 8:25:48 AM PST by john drake (Roman military maxim; "oderint dum metuant," i.e., "let them hate, as long as they fear.")
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To: Doctor 2Brains
My sister’s wife’s father

If your sister has a wife...

17 posted on 01/01/2012 8:27:02 AM PST by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: umgud
E-Verify in California?

This is from a thread yesterday on some of California's new laws that take effect TODAY:

•While Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, South Carolina, and Georgia will implement the highly successful E-Verify program to ascertain one’s social security number to verify employment eligibility, California bucks the tide, thumbs its nose at the law, and, effective January 1, prohibits private employers in the State from utilizing the E-Verify system. This side stepping of the law impacts California workers who follow the rules and is a major reason the State’s unemployment rate is the one of the highest in the nation, exceeding 12%.

I see no light at the end of the tunnel for the future of California.

And I'm not shedding any tears for the state either...

18 posted on 01/01/2012 8:28:15 AM PST by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

Your sister has a wife?


19 posted on 01/01/2012 8:28:31 AM PST by mplsconservative (Impeach Obama Now!)
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To: Gen.Blather
Not to avail themselves of these benefits would be like deciding not to take candy freely offered to you.

Taking candy is one thing. Taking money (candy) from people who are legal is another. The first sentence includes the word illegal. The last sentence includes the word candy. The remainder of the three paragraphs discusses what the rewards have been. Conclusion reached is illegal likes candy when a legal provides, and justification is rewards, fully legal. Excuse me ... this has made me ill, even though known to me was taking place.

20 posted on 01/01/2012 8:28:37 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: john drake

The safety net has become a hammock.


21 posted on 01/01/2012 8:29:21 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: ChocChipCookie
Neither will ICE!
Ihey are turning the illegals loose in Maricopa County because Joe Arpio is a racist that only arrests Mexicans.
I guess there are no Anglos or Africans or Orientals in the Maricopa County jail.
22 posted on 01/01/2012 8:29:47 AM PST by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: humblegunner

Hmmm. I seem to have said that incorrectly. Let’s try “my wife’s sister-in-law.” In other words the woman who married my wife’s brother, has a father who’s a bum.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 8:30:30 AM PST by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Gen.Blather
I've long wondered why it seems that politicians, especially in the SouthWest, have pandered to illegal aliens, who after all, aren't supposed to be able to vote. Then it occurred to me. The reason is simple. It's just self-preservation. These people have seen the way the government allows the invasion of the South West, and realize that some day, those states will be "reclaimed" by Mexico. These people who have done so much for the illegal aliens hope to ingratiate themselves to the alien invaders, and make for themselves a "history" of providing aid to the invaders. Sort of like the Vichy in France during WWII.

Mark

24 posted on 01/01/2012 8:30:35 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: cripplecreek

The politicians in California do this to buy votes. You can bet this entire family will run back to California come election time and vote for whichever party gives them the most goodies.

It’s true, even if you reported them that nothing would happen. In fact, if you report them there’s more chance of the law coming down on YOU than them.


25 posted on 01/01/2012 8:30:41 AM PST by bigdirty
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To: Flycatcher
I see no light at the end of the tunnel for the future of California.

Visualize Californians swirling the toilet bowl while their leaders are reaching out and up to pull the flush handle.

26 posted on 01/01/2012 8:30:41 AM PST by umgud
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To: ChocChipCookie

Creating government handouts helps people feel less guilty about collective guilt they accept, and prsonal guilt they have from screwing over people at work and in life. They no longer have to care about doing a good job if the nanny state is there. Kind of like how country club prisons don’t stop white collar crime. A couple years at club fed to exercise, work on a book, and de-caffeinate is a small price for some r’assholes.


27 posted on 01/01/2012 8:30:57 AM PST by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: JohnG45
The insanity that the rest of the taxpayers and their children in the U.S. will be paying for when this state goes belly-up and has to be bailed out while leaving all of its dysfunctional welfare programs intact.

I don't think so. I think that there's a choreographed plan to bankrupt the state, while bringing in more and more illegal aliens. Once there are enough illegal aliens in the South West, they just raise the Mexican flag, and Mexico reclaims the entire region without a shot fired.

Washington will do nothing.

Mark

28 posted on 01/01/2012 8:34:29 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Gen.Blather

I helped start a Telemundo TV station, it is hard to turn illegals in. But you do an incredible service just by outlining the problem. If authorities wanted to crack down, they have no lack of targets. You are probably more effective pointing out the huge cracks in the system.


29 posted on 01/01/2012 8:35:41 AM PST by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: no-to-illegals

“Excuse me ... this has made me ill, even though known to me was taking place.”

I posted this because it is a direct experience, not an article from some reporter that has passed through an editorial board. I doubt you’d find anything like this in the press.

I spent two weeks meeting people in Mexico and a stunning number of them work in California, probably illegally, and live in Mexico. The guide I hired when I toured (another family member) told me that if they closed the California boarder the entire Baja economy would collapse overnight. He said, “When Uncle Sam gets a cold, Mexico gets the flu.”

Someone else noted the implausibility of the government giving an apartment to teenagers. I agree. But the grandfather told me he was led from agency to agency by a “fat black woman” who told him, “Honey, I am going to get you everything to which you is entitled.” She told him what to say on every line of the form. Obviously, some of the information was false.

Incidentally, there’s a popular cable channel in Mexico which simply shows live video feeds of all the entry points and estimates the wait at each one.


30 posted on 01/01/2012 8:37:09 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: DaxtonBrown
You are probably more effective pointing out the huge cracks in the system.

If we start sealing those cracks it will put enormous pressure on the Americans who are exploiting them as well. Just maybe those people will find the will to help push the illegals out.
31 posted on 01/01/2012 8:40:04 AM PST by cripplecreek (Stand with courage or shut up and do as you're told.)
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To: MarkL

Or a contingency plan is in play. Bankrupt the South West and continue to funnel money away from the central government in D.C. while Nero plays the fiddle.


32 posted on 01/01/2012 8:41:15 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: umgud

The issue will never be solved until a national ID system is installed.

You have to be able to definitively determine a person’s identity and status. Determining who is illegal will require determining everybody’s status.

But many conservatives are opposed to such a system.


33 posted on 01/01/2012 8:41:35 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Gen.Blather

Does anyone have to ask why California will be a ghost State in a few more years? Already many of it’s Cities are in the crap whole and begging for help.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 8:41:39 AM PST by Logical me
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To: MarkL
I've long wondered why it seems that politicians, especially in the SouthWest, have pandered to illegal aliens,

And you've just explained why this country needs no more presidents who come from the southern border states, at least if anyone hopes the illegal alien problem will ever be addressed and immigration laws enforced.

Those border state politicians are as addicted to pandering as most southerners are to football. They won't give it up if they make it to the WH as several Texas presidents have already proven.

35 posted on 01/01/2012 8:42:31 AM PST by Will88
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To: Will88
I worked for a company in Yuma, AZ where there are loads of seasonal employees and [naturally] plenty of illegals. Yuma is on the Mexican border as well as the California border. Winterhaven is a small town just inside California where there are less than 100 residents. But, they have a post office with thousands of PO Boxes where people register US mail drops and collect all sorts of government goodies.

When we noticed multiple employees using the same PO Box we checked documents and found some of them sharing the same SS#. They were terminated and went right around the corner and got a new job using a new name and ID that is readily available all along the border.

These employees had come to us from the government employment service (EDD). If we had been caught with them at work, our company could have been fined $5,000 for each offense. I went to EDD and asked why they sent us illegals who could cause us to violate the law if we didn't detect the fraud and their reply was that they didn't "really" know they were illegal because by law, they can't ask - that would be discrimination.

A common practice is to get hired and work for a short time, then claim a lower back injury. Normally the California worker's comp board will render a disability judgement resulting in benefits being sent to the claimant regardless of resident status or where they live. It is not uncommon to find people who have several disability judgements, some even under different names. I once "interviewed" a man who had been awarded disability judgements twice, was collecting unemployment and working under a different name. He readily admitted his transgressions for which he could only be fired and his only comment was, "This is a great country!"

36 posted on 01/01/2012 8:42:58 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Sounds like ACORN.


37 posted on 01/01/2012 8:44:50 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: bigdirty
You can bet this entire family will run back to California come election time and vote for whichever party gives them the most goodies.

Don't need to, Cal just about forces absentee ballots on you.

38 posted on 01/01/2012 8:45:05 AM PST by norton
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To: MarkL
The insanity that the rest of the taxpayers and their children in the U.S. will be paying for when this state goes belly-up and has to be bailed out while leaving all of its dysfunctional welfare programs intact.

I don't think so. I think that there's a choreographed plan to bankrupt the state, while bringing in more and more illegal aliens. Once there are enough illegal aliens in the South West, they just raise the Mexican flag, and Mexico reclaims the entire region without a shot fired.

Washington will do nothing.

Who will continue to issue welfare checks to the inhabitants? Mexico? I don't think so!

39 posted on 01/01/2012 8:45:39 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Gen.Blather

And my grandmother and her family immigrated LEGALLY from Sicily in 1912, being processed through Ellis Island with $50 between the 5 of them, speaking no English. But they learned English, adapted to America, changed their names to American names and worked without taking a penny from the United States.

My grandmother worked in a sweatshop as a seamstress for a nickle an hour. She raised 5 children who are all incredibly successful- without the aid of the government.

Can we get a true American president in office who will also use Executive Orders to cut off all funding to any state who has sanctuary cities and/or gives benefits to illegals? The only assistance they should be getting is a one way ticket on a broken down schoolbus with no air conditioning down to Guatemala.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 8:47:05 AM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Gen.Blather

If you know about it and don’t report it you are an accomplice to a crime. If you stayed with a “nice” family who told you that they rip off the company they work for millions of dollars on a regular basis, wouldyou sit still? Shame on you.


41 posted on 01/01/2012 8:47:38 AM PST by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Gen.Blather

I spent the past 3 years working for a California-based contractor doing specialty construction of recreational facilities. It was hard work juggling multiple identities, and multiple timesheets for the various DBA’s that insulated my employer from paying overtime. It was also insulting, especially when these guys were being flown in from LA to do work we could have easily accomplished with local, domestic labor. My attitude quickly soured, my lifelong passion doused, and then they fired me. So even though a lot of these illegal aliens are nice folks to be around, they represent an insidious and destructive force that has no benefit for law-abiding Americans.


42 posted on 01/01/2012 8:49:10 AM PST by BillyBonebrake
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To: Baynative
Winterhaven is a small town just inside California where there are less than 100 residents. But, they have a post office with thousands of PO Boxes where people register US mail drops and collect all sorts of government goodies.

And I wonder if that is one of the small town POs scheduled for closure? Or maybe the volume of government checks being handle will keep it open despite the tiny population?

The idiocy and fraud that is tolerated in the US is unreal, and there are plenty fighting to make sure it continues.

43 posted on 01/01/2012 8:50:35 AM PST by Will88
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To: Doctor 2Brains; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; Clintonfatigued; TADSLOS
A 75-80 year old relative came here from India less than five years ago.....had never spent a day in the US but now receives free medical care and SSI. Is this legal?

Yes it is legal.....he probably claimed "asylum" to collect. Claiming "asylum" triggers a Social Security payout in the thousands of dollars....a relic of WW 11 emigres fleeing Europe----which illegals are using to loot the US taxpayer.

CASES IN POINT:

Many wealthy Mexicans claim asylum from drug wars ---then ride the US gravy train under multiple identities. They are also part of Mexico's plot to build a voting bloc in order to pressure vote-crazed Congressmen to vote billions in foreign aid.

Obama's Aunt Zeituni hired a pricey lawyer to claim asylum and strt adding the SS payout to the pile of US benefits she's already collecting. However, Auntie is well-connected back home---so it's doubtful she is in danger there---plus her nephew as president gives her some protection.

44 posted on 01/01/2012 8:51:44 AM PST by Liz
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To: Sherman Logan
The issue will never be solved until a national ID system is installed.

As I said, E-Verify isn't perfect, but it wouldn't require a national ID.

I do however, chuckle when some of the candidates promote the idea that all non-citizens carry special ID. I guess if this were to come to pass, it wouldn't work unless everybody carried ID.

I will concede that someday, in the not too distant future, we will have some form of national ID, but it will probably be waived for illegals.

45 posted on 01/01/2012 8:53:30 AM PST by umgud
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To: Gen.Blather

The question to ask next time is, why is Mexico unable to provide jobs, housing, and healthcare for its own citizens, when they have (as a citizen) the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim Helú? Make them think about why they have to leave their homeland to make a living when the white elite in their nation are living it up.


46 posted on 01/01/2012 8:53:46 AM PST by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: Will88
"...there are plenty fighting to make sure it continues."

That would include La Raza, MALDEF and a multitude of smaller political players in the 501(c)(3) game that violate corporate law with the full knowledge of congress and the justice department.

47 posted on 01/01/2012 8:55:15 AM PST by Baynative (The penalty for not participating in politics is you will be governed by your inferiors.)
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To: Liz
An army of looters of the treasury. CASES IN POINT
48 posted on 01/01/2012 8:57:53 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: Gen.Blather

Most likely these cunning criminal illegals falsified state and federal documents to get these benefits.

Falsifying official documents is a felony.

They are probably riding the US gravy train, collecting benefits under multiple identities-—which they buy from document forgers for several thousand dollars per identity.

The Washington state rapist had some 30 identities.

Another illegal (one of many) collected $3.2 Million in UI benefits under several identities.


49 posted on 01/01/2012 9:01:35 AM PST by Liz
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To: umgud
national ID, but it will probably be waived for illegals

Due to the political power they hold, have to believe the statement is true.

50 posted on 01/01/2012 9:02:33 AM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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