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Another Horror Story about Government-Run Healthcare that Canít Possibly Be True
Townhall.com ^ | January 1, 2011 | Daniel J. Mitchell

Posted on 01/01/2012 8:20:11 AM PST by Kaslin

Paul Krugman has told us that awful stories about government-run healthcare in Britain “are false.”

I guess this means that the media must be dominated by conservative liars, since we keep getting reports about substandard care and needless deaths (see herehereherehereherehereherehere, here and here).

And the Boston Globe and Associated Press must be part of this vast right-wing conspiracy, because the Globe just ran an AP report exposing more problems in England. Here is an excerpt.

When David Evans needed a hernia operation, the 69-year-old farmer became so alarmed by the long wait that he used an ultrasound machine for pregnant sheep on himself, to make sure he wasn’t getting worse. It was only after repeated calls from himself, his doctor and his local member of parliament that the hospital performed the surgery, nearly a year after it was first requested. Under government guidelines, he should have started getting treatment within 18 weeks. “I was in quite a lot of pain,’’ Evans said of his ordeal in Cornwall, southwest England. “It really restricted what I could do around the farm since I couldn’t lift anything heavy.’’ Across Britain, an increasing number of patients like Evans are facing more pain and longer waits.

The deep flaws in the British system, by the way, do not imply that the American system is ideal. As I’ve explained, the U.S. system also is heavily dominated by government, causing a massive third-party payer problem.

(h/t: Reason)

Government Insiders Rip Off Taxpayers…Again

I’ve written many times about politicians and bureaucrats screwing taxpayers with lavish compensation packages, but this story from Philadelphia is jaw dropping.

Councilwoman Marian B. Tasco is retiring Friday, but only so she can collect a $478,057 pension check and return to work Monday, when she will be sworn in for her seventh term. Tasco was one of six Council members to enroll in the city’s controversial Deferred Retirement Option Plan, better known as DROP. She did not immediately return a request for comment. …When DROP was introduced during the Rendell administration, it was thought that it would cost little or nothing. But a study by the administration of Mayor Nutter said DROP had cost the city $258 million over 10 years.

Remember stories like this every time ones of these reprehensible politicians claim that spending has been cut to the bone and taxes have to be raised.

Dan Mitchell



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: healthcare; leftwinglunatic; obamacare; paulkrugman; socialism; socialisthealthcare
(The entire title is: Another Horror Story about Government-Run Healthcare that Can’t Possibly Be True According to Paul Krugman)
1 posted on 01/01/2012 8:20:17 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

You should read about Paul Krugman on Newsbusters. The man is an imbecile (an idiot for those of you in Rosa Linda)


2 posted on 01/01/2012 8:22:51 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Kaslin

Former Enron advisor Paul Krugman should move to the UK, sign up for their illustrious NHS and then it’s only a matter of time before he joins Walter Duranty for tea.

Very HOT tea.


3 posted on 01/01/2012 8:28:00 AM PST by mkjessup (Jimmy Carter is the Skidmark in the panties of American history, 0bama is the yellow stain in front.)
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To: SkyDancer

Ummm...that’s “Rio Linda,” Mr. Sky.


4 posted on 01/01/2012 8:29:24 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Ummmmm, ‘kay - too early in the morning and the caffeine hasn’t kicked in yet. R/Janey


5 posted on 01/01/2012 8:31:57 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Kaslin

Well, I know a lot of people that would disagree with Mr Krugman, including a few NHS employes.


6 posted on 01/01/2012 8:33:35 AM PST by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: Kaslin

‘Paul Krugman has told us that awful stories about government-run healthcare in Britain “are false.”’

No they’re not. As a chronic sufferer of several digestive diseases, I’m on discussion fora a lot. Many foreigners are there for support, too. Some of them go off on tirades about how they are put off forever getting tests, new doctors, etc. Some of them tell us how it is, then say they’re satisfied even though to me it looks like a cruddy deal (kind of like Wal-Mart shoppers being satisfied since they’re used to being treated like criminals whereas they’ve never been to Nordstrom).


7 posted on 01/01/2012 8:34:00 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SkyDancer

Take a look at the first key word


8 posted on 01/01/2012 8:34:25 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

http://www.sucks.org.uk/forum/


9 posted on 01/01/2012 8:41:49 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Kaslin

It needs to be emphasized that in Britain, if you are willing to pay a private doctor for health care, you can. So those who suffer most are the poor, or those unwilling to spend their own money after paying high taxes for health care. Also, if you use a private doctor, you may lose your access to the NHS.

Though the rot in the NHS is bad, a far worse situation exists in Canada where you must leave the country to get good, private health care, as the government does not permit the private alternative in the country. While Britain is a disaster, Canada will be a worse disaster in the long run. It only looks better right now because so many Canadians cross the border for their medical needs.


10 posted on 01/01/2012 8:45:01 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kaslin

Paul Krugman’s writing pales in comparison to that found on street signs.


11 posted on 01/01/2012 8:46:58 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Kaslin

Whenever his name comes on any subject that he comments on I know he’s grossly misinformed and what he says is idiotic.


12 posted on 01/01/2012 8:49:29 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Kaslin

Krugman is a member of the PLO - Pathological Liars O-nonymous!


13 posted on 01/01/2012 8:52:01 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
a far worse situation exists in Canada where you must leave the country to get good, private health care ...
My son's brother-in-law is a doctor and spent a year in Vancouver, BC on a Fellowship.
His comments can be boiled down to - it really is worse than we hear.
14 posted on 01/01/2012 8:55:29 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kaslin

” (Philadelphia) Councilwoman Marian B. Tasco is retiring Friday, but only so she can collect a $478,057 pension check and return to work Monday, when she will be sworn in for her seventh term. Tasco was one of six Council members to enroll in the city’s controversial Deferred Retirement Option Plan, better known as DROP. She did not immediately return a request for comment. …When DROP was introduced during the Rendell administration, it was thought that it would cost little or nothing. But a study by the administration of Mayor Nutter said DROP had cost the city $258 million over 10 years.”

Just another crooked Black Politician ripping off her “people.” But she has to get in line behind the Black superintendent of public schools in Pittsburgh who just took nearly a million dollar “buyout” of her contract to get rid of her, and then had the temerity to file for unemployment benefits!


15 posted on 01/01/2012 9:06:27 AM PST by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: SkyDancer

LOL

That’s Rio Linda for those living there....


16 posted on 01/01/2012 9:08:27 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: SkyDancer

LOL

Rosa Linda is that cute girl at the Tecate Bar....


17 posted on 01/01/2012 9:09:13 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: vette6387
But she has to get in line behind the Black superintendent of public schools in Pittsburgh who just took nearly a million dollar “buyout” of her contract to get rid of her, and then had the temerity to file for unemployment benefits!

lol..."Pride"? "Shame"? What are these strange words you speak?

18 posted on 01/01/2012 9:09:24 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Kaslin
I have a young 2nd cousin who is a pharmacist at a London hospital. I'll bet he could tell us some tales, (if he would).
19 posted on 01/01/2012 9:10:19 AM PST by Ditter
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>>(kind of like Wal-Mart shoppers being satisfied since they’re used to being treated like criminals whereas they’ve never been to Nordstrom).<<

I’ve been snobbed out at Nordstroms, but I get your point.


20 posted on 01/01/2012 9:15:16 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Kaslin
hernias in this country are usually done within 30days of diagnosis...
21 posted on 01/01/2012 9:16:48 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: netmilsmom

Nordstrom is class as far as I have ever experienced (2 different stores regularly). They look out for you, help you, are very nice, and don’t get in your way at the same time. They also refund/exchange, no questions asked. Service as nothing I’ve ever experienced. Meanwhile, the suspicious policies and the grumps and mugwumps at cheap (”big box”) places - well, you get what you pay for.


22 posted on 01/01/2012 9:25:48 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: netmilsmom

“I’ve been snobbed out at Nordstroms, but I get your point”

I only go there a few time a year, they lighten up once you open your wallet and carry around a few bags.


23 posted on 01/01/2012 9:26:39 AM PST by No Socialist
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To: No Socialist

>>I only go there a few time a year, they lighten up once you open your wallet and carry around a few bags.<<

Yeah, you sure do have to prove that you are a paying customer there. Walk in wearing jeans with your babies in a stroller and they will RUN to get away.

I don’t shop where I have to pull out my charge cards to be treated nicely.


24 posted on 01/01/2012 9:30:59 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: SkyDancer

RIO Linda... At least I know where I’m from!


25 posted on 01/01/2012 9:31:47 AM PST by BigIsleGal (Wake Me Up When the Stupid Wears Off)
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To: Kaslin

“Councilwoman Marian B. Tasco”

This would’ve been perfect if the letters were just changed a bit.

“T. Basco”


26 posted on 01/01/2012 9:33:37 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>>Meanwhile, the suspicious policies and the grumps and mugwumps at cheap (”big box”) places - well, you get what you pay for.<<

Yeah and that’s why I shop at Walmart. People are friendly and happy. Returns are easy and value is high. My kids outgrow their clothes in a year, why do I want to pay huge money for them?

Nordstroms and their “better than thou”, overpriced, medium quality products, you can keep.


27 posted on 01/01/2012 9:38:08 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: BigIsleGal

Thanks again. I’ve been so informed by all. Early morning, caffeine hadn’t kicked in yet and I had Rosa in the back of my mind and that’s the way it came out.


28 posted on 01/01/2012 9:58:44 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t see it that way at all. Wal-Mart as well as others are generally rude, ignorant and careless, signs of our society in general today and their lackadaisical attitude. They hassle you for not having a reciept (try that there), and you have to go to a counter rather than just anywhere. I go there naturally just to go in and get general merchandise - sometimes even for cheap, when I know there’s not likely to be a problem. The nicest person is the greeter, and randomly the cashiers (like any other place).

Nordstrom is high quality and that includes their service. And I don’t need to dress up (like my sister) to get good service; just walk in a department. They give us the shirt off their backs, and it’s not because we/they are “snobs”. Maybe you have trouble in MI but I don’t near home.

You can also compare the average McDonald’s and Chick-Fil-A. CFA is not a “snob” place by any means, but they are vastly superior in service and smiles (never mind the food) to any other fast-food place.


29 posted on 01/01/2012 10:01:56 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: netmilsmom

BTW, I agree about children’s just in principle. I do buy a couple things at high-end places but mostly I go to Wal-Mart (prefer Target, their toddler/baby area is so much better) for children’s clothes and SHOES. I guess the Babies-R-Us place is reasonable, too, but sometimes the cheapest is at WM/Target.


30 posted on 01/01/2012 10:17:25 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: oh8eleven

A friend of mine is a Canadian immigrant. A few years ago, her mother, a Canadian citizen, was diagnosed with colon cancer. Due to her age (late 70’s), she was given painkillers rather than surgery and radiation/chemo. Needless to say, the sweet woman is no longer with us. Man that “free” healthcare is great!


31 posted on 01/01/2012 10:37:37 AM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: SkyDancer; ProtectOurFreedom

It seems you have had a sex change operation according to poster #4 Why did you do such a silly thing.....:O) GG


32 posted on 01/01/2012 10:45:33 AM PST by goat granny
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To: vette6387
"Just another crooked Black Politician ripping off her “people.” But she has to get in line behind the Black superintendent of public schools in Pittsburgh who just took nearly a million dollar “buyout” of her contract to get rid of her, and then had the temerity to file for unemployment benefits! "

I'm sorry to say that this "public servant" is also in Philadelphia, rather than Pittsburgh. (Arlene Ackerman)

33 posted on 01/01/2012 10:48:15 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: goat granny

LOL - you should hear me on the phone. I keep getting mistaken for one of my brothers.


34 posted on 01/01/2012 11:00:31 AM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: goat granny; SkyDancer

Heh, heh! Guess I should check profiles, first, huh?

Great profile page, SD! BTW, I just watched “The Sundowners” last night. Great flick about Australia...you might want to check it out!


35 posted on 01/01/2012 11:03:05 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Yeah here in MI, Walmart has the best employees and merchandise that I need.
Here, the Norstrom’s people are much better than me.


36 posted on 01/01/2012 11:37:38 AM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Kaslin

bump


37 posted on 01/01/2012 11:42:53 AM PST by gibsosa
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To: netmilsmom

Another example for me is Saks 5th Ave. My mother loved that place (maybe it was better in the old days). I appreciate it too, but the few times (admittedly, not a good sample) I’ve been to both NY and Baltimore stores, incidences of condescension occurred.

While I haven’t been to Saks nearly as much as Nordstrom (not much opportunity), and I don’t totally despise it, Saks showed more “snobby” behavior than I’ve ever experienced (0) at Nordstrom. (And you can bet when we vaca’d in NYC I’m dressed well and done up.)


38 posted on 01/01/2012 11:42:53 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: SkyDancer

“Idiot” has an interesting etymology, it’s from the greek, “idiotes,” which means a commoner, or someone with no special knowledge or social standing. Hence ( we may infer ) someone who can be safely ignored. “Who was that?” “Just some idiot.”


39 posted on 01/01/2012 12:20:27 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

G’Day - and as we say DnUnDa - no wurries, mate. Haven’t watched it yet but my favorite Aussie movie is “Quigley Down Under”. I’ve been to Silverton and Broken Hill where the first two Mad Max/Road Warrior movies were made.


40 posted on 01/01/2012 12:21:58 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Wow, I’ve never been to a Saks 5th Ave in my life!

Perhaps you are just the kind of person who DOESN’T get treated like a lesser person in these stores, because they don’t see you that way. Maybe it’s people like me. You never know.

Either way, I’ll shop at Walmart. You can keep the mall stores.


41 posted on 01/01/2012 12:24:40 PM PST by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: dr_lew

Fits Krugman all right (or is it alright? Hmmmm)


42 posted on 01/01/2012 12:31:48 PM PST by SkyDancer ("If You Want To Learn To Love Better, You Should Start With A Friend Who You Hate")
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To: Kaslin
Paul Krugman must be on something. It is true you MARXIST MORON.Talk to people in Canada about their health care.

Paul why not move to Cuba or North Korea if you like government.

43 posted on 01/01/2012 3:41:15 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: ExCTCitizen

There are Canadians who like their healthcare. They simply don’t know any better. They’ve been lead to believe that a small life is part of social justice’s down payment on their souls.


44 posted on 01/01/2012 3:49:35 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: Kaslin

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-16337904

The BBC site runs many stories about what’s becoming a “two-tier” National Health Service (NHS). This means more privately paid-for care...(apparently anyone who can afford to do so is opting out of NHS).

Last week I read that those over 75 no longer get joint replacements and cataract surgeries unless they can pay themselves. We could argue all day about whether government SHOULD pay for health care; nevertheless dropping essential services to patients who have counted on NHS all their lives is rather nasty.


45 posted on 01/01/2012 4:50:30 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: ExCTCitizen

Been to Cuba. No one there likes their government unless they are party officials. Maybe 10% of the population.


46 posted on 01/01/2012 4:52:33 PM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Kaslin

When everyone has health care, no one has it.


47 posted on 01/01/2012 7:11:45 PM PST by jyro (French-like Democrats wave the white flag of surrender while we are winning)
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