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Ron Paul says victim of sex harassment bears some responsibility for resolution
The Boston Globe ^ | January 1, 2012 | Shira Schoenberg

Posted on 01/02/2012 7:22:04 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Texas Representative Ron Paul today stood by statements he made in his 1987 book arguing that someone who is a victim of sexual harassment in the workplace should bear some responsibility for resolving the problem and that society should not bear the burden of paying for the care of AIDS victims.

In his 1987 book “Freedom Under Siege: The US Constitution after 200-Plus Years,” Paul wrote about sexual harassment in the workplace, “Why don’t they quit once the so-called harassment starts? Obviously the morals of the harasser cannot be defended, but how can the harassee escape some responsibility for the problem?’’

In another passage, Paul wrote, “The individual suffering from AIDS certainly is a victim - frequently a victim of his own lifestyle - but this same individual victimizes innocent citizens by forcing them to pay for his care.”

On Fox News Sunday this morning, host Chris Wallace asked Paul, now a top contender in the Republican presidential race, whether he still agreed with those statements.

On the sexual harassment issue, Paul distinguished between verbal and physical harassment but said neither one warranted a federal law to prevent it.

“If it’s just because somebody told a joke to somebody who was offended, they don’t have a right to go to the federal government and have a policeman come in and put penalties on those individuals,” Paul said of verbal harassment. “They have to say maybe this is not a very good environment. They have the right to work there or not work there.”

Paul continued: “Because people are insulted by rude behavior, I don’t think we should make a federal case about it. I don’t think we need federal laws to deal with that. People should deal with that at home.”

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aids; healthinsurance; ronpaul; sexualharassment
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To: joe fonebone

Anyone ever hear of a victim making a sexual harassment claim to the union about a harassing union member and then suing them when they did not protect her from additional harassment? I never have and would not be surprised if the Federal and state laws are written or interpreted so that the unions are held harmless.


21 posted on 01/02/2012 7:57:27 AM PST by BilLies ( (ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hates your Traditional American guts!))
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To: Lady Lucky

oh that is a great tip. You get it. Love it.


22 posted on 01/02/2012 7:59:05 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: miss marmelstein

why didn’t you scream bloody murder when he locked the door


23 posted on 01/02/2012 8:00:32 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: BilLies

oh pwotect me pwotect me........

sheesh


24 posted on 01/02/2012 8:01:56 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: driftdiver
His point was if the victim doesn’t like being assaulted they should quit.

You obviously didn't watch the FoxNews interview as he clearly stated that if anyone is assaulted in the workplace or anywhere else, they should call the police as it is a criminal offense. The Feds shouldn't have to write and enforce a new law when there is already a remedy on the books.

25 posted on 01/02/2012 8:04:15 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: Riodacat

No I don’t watch much Ron Paul on TV. He’s a nut and is just as dangerous as BO.


26 posted on 01/02/2012 8:06:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: miss marmelstein; yldstrk
The point of Paul’s stupid comments on sex harrassment have to do with him telling women to quit their jobs if they don’t like being verbally or physically harrassed. As someone who had to quit jobs during the wild and crazy 70s (the peak of the sexual revolution) I can tell you it’s not so easy to get another job - especially when you have to pay your rent and put food on the table.

What about other forms of bad behavior? The manager that demands excessive unpaid overtime? The screaming bully? There are lots of ways that the workplace can become unpleasant to work in, and men have always had to either put up with it, demand the unpleasantness cease, or get another job.

27 posted on 01/02/2012 8:07:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: yldstrk

I’m alive and well today so I think I handled the insane sex harrassment of the 70s pretty well. I’m assuming that you are much younger than me and did not live through that period in the urban jungle of NYC. I could be wrong, of course.

One of my favorite musicals “How to Succeed in Business without Really Trying” features the immortal song “A Secretary is Not a Toy.” Sums up the entire rotten period.


28 posted on 01/02/2012 8:08:31 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: PapaBear3625

yah there are lots of axels in the “workplace” people pulling phones out of walls, screaming. What fun


29 posted on 01/02/2012 8:08:45 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: miss marmelstein

pardon


30 posted on 01/02/2012 8:09:55 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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31 posted on 01/02/2012 8:11:57 AM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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To: miss marmelstein

I was in High school in the 70s. However I do believe the “sexual revolution” only benefited men. And that our country has never recovered. these days everyone thinks sex is the be all end all and acts so crass


32 posted on 01/02/2012 8:12:08 AM PST by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Lady Lucky
My favorite response to unwelcome attention is to whip out one's favorite device and ask, "Do you mind if I record this conversation? Oops, I accidentally activated it already...I hate when that happens!" After a while most people will know that you carry something to record every sound, and have lots of accidental activations.

For less than $100, you can have an audio recorder that can hold over 8 hours of high-quality audio. Turn it on as you enter work, leave it on all day. If you have an incident, extract the relevant audio clip and send it to HR, cc to the boor.

33 posted on 01/02/2012 8:12:34 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: PapaBear3625

The screaming bully is one of my pet peeves! And they never seem to lose their jobs - it’s always the bullied who head for the tall grass.

It’s one of the reasons I refuse to work in office environments. I work in the theatre where you have putzes too but a sly comeback can often stop them in their tracks.


34 posted on 01/02/2012 8:17:23 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: PapaBear3625
Another option is to never hire any women, ever!

More than a few smaller companies are going that route.

35 posted on 01/02/2012 8:17:45 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: driftdiver
No I don’t watch much Ron Paul on TV. He’s a nut and is just as dangerous as BO.

You don't have to like him.
I wouldn't vote for him either, but at least I know what he says and didn't say.
There's enough to disagree with him on that we don't need to make stuff up.

36 posted on 01/02/2012 8:21:06 AM PST by Riodacat (And when all is said and done, there'll be a hell of a lot more said than done......)
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To: miss marmelstein
"Why do the creepiest - and I mean creepiest - doctors (Howard Dean, anyone?) - get into politics??"

I met Dr. Dean a couple of years ago in New Haven.

37 posted on 01/02/2012 8:21:51 AM PST by PALIN SMITH (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: PALIN SMITH

Wow! Everybody needs to go to this video and see this!

Thanks for linking - good job exposing the 2nd biggest nut job in American politics.


38 posted on 01/02/2012 8:28:10 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

There must be laws that deal harshly with BOTH sides. In way too many cases, the harassee gets the free pass. And simply making the accusation can seriously impact a business, right or wrong.


39 posted on 01/02/2012 8:31:03 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: PapaBear3625

But you better be aware of the state laws for recording conversations.


40 posted on 01/02/2012 8:33:08 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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