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President Obama will have to deal with birthers
International World News ^ | Jan 1, 2012 | Greg Rogers

Posted on 01/02/2012 9:42:46 AM PST by SvenMagnussen

Las Vegas 1 January 2011 (sic). President Obama has(sic) had a dream run to the White House and hopes to remain there for another term. His chances of re election are diminished by his failure to convince Americans that he is entitled to the office he holds.

There are many Americans who are concerned that Barack Obama is not who and what he says he is. Veterans like Robert Laity are frustrated that media outlets have not pressured President Obama into releasing a real authenticated copy of his birth certificate. There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii but many people believe that he is not entitled to hold his office as he is ineligible due to the status of his parents. The President's birth certificate would clear up that issue.

Robert Laity is a vocal American who is complaining to have Barack Obama charged with electoral fraud. The issue seems to be that the election authorities do not require a candidate to prove that he or she is entitled to seek an office. It is up to someone to prove that a candidate is not entitled to stand.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birther; birtherromney; eligibility; kenyanfather; naturalborncitizen; naturalized; nbc; president; socialsecuritynumber; usurp
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1 posted on 01/02/2012 9:42:53 AM PST by SvenMagnussen
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To: SvenMagnussen
The ineligible Romney will make this MOOT
which is why Romney has PROTECTED Obama.

Romney for Obama in 2011



“White House Quotes Romney in Defense of Health Care”



Mitt Romney Sends Leftover Pizza to Obama Chicago HQ
After spending the day in Chicago fundraising, Mitt Romney
sat down with small business owners at Gino's East,
a pizza joint famous for their deep-dish pizza.
In fact, Romney himself tweeted a photo of a
delivery boy heading out with the loot, writing,
"Great deep dish at @ginoseast.
Sending the extra slices to @barackobama and his Chicago HQ team."


Chihuahua Romney - the One and the Only "Magic RINO(TM)":

"Obama was born in the United States"

"Obama Doesn’t Need a Birth Certificate"

"The citizenship test has been passed"


Milt Romney in 2007

Romney - the Magic RINO:
"I'm not running as the Republican view
or a continuation of Republican values.
That's not what brings me to the race.

(Romney Video, accessed 9/19/07)



2 posted on 01/02/2012 9:47:32 AM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Unless they can get him knocked off the ballet in one state 100% of democrats don’t give a poop and it’ll be a non-issue.

Should they managed to get him knocked off the democrats will go the route of voter disfranchisement.


3 posted on 01/02/2012 9:47:42 AM PST by cableguymn
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To: Diogenesis

How is Romney not eligible?


4 posted on 01/02/2012 9:48:53 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
... many people believe that he is not entitled to hold his office as he is ineligible due to the status of his parents. The President's birth certificate would clear up that issue.

Like Heck it will.

5 posted on 01/02/2012 9:53:57 AM PST by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: Jonty30

I was wondering about that myself.

Why is Romney not eligible?


6 posted on 01/02/2012 9:54:05 AM PST by SusaninOhio (So)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii “

Just Stop Reading right there. No credibility to this story.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 9:55:24 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: SvenMagnussen

“There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii “

Just Stop Reading right there. No credibility to this story.


8 posted on 01/02/2012 9:55:43 AM PST by precisionshootist
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To: SusaninOhio

According to another thread I looked up, his father may have been born in a Mormon colony in Mexico.


9 posted on 01/02/2012 9:57:20 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

He has no established father...only suspects.


10 posted on 01/02/2012 10:02:18 AM PST by Fireone (Heating the tar and readying the feathers.)
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To: Jonty30

“may have been born”

NY Slimes says, “was born”: http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/27/obituaries/george-romney-dies-at-88-a-leading-gop-figure.html


11 posted on 01/02/2012 10:05:29 AM PST by tumblindice (Live Free or Die in 2012)
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To: Jonty30
How is Romney not eligible?

How can someone say he IS eligible?

That's the problem. There really needs to be a better way for all the candidates for president to be vetted. The political parties have not shown they will do it and the same goes for the MSM.

12 posted on 01/02/2012 10:08:15 AM PST by Balata (It's 'WE THE PEOPLE' Obama, not 'WE THE SHEEPLE'!)
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To: Jonty30

It doesn’t matter where his father was born. It only matters if his father was a citizen when he was born.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 10:08:56 AM PST by chopperman
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To: Jonty30
How is Romney not eligible?

Apparently Romney's father was born in Mexican and never became an American citizen, although it is not entirely clear.

See South of border, Romney's Mexican roots run deep

"His son George Romney, Mitt's father, would grow up poor in the United States, taunted as "Mexican!" by other kids at school. But he went on to be a legendary auto executive, two-term Michigan governor (Willard Mitt Romney was born in Detroit in 1947), and one-time presidential candidate, losing the 1968 Republican nomination to Richard M. Nixon. At the time, George Romney's eligibility for president was more of an issue than his Mormonism, news archives show. But the potential legal dispute over his Mexican birth was superseded by Nixon's primary victories, and Romney dropped his campaign before the matter could be settled."

One could understand why Mitt Romney would not want to make an issue of Obama's eligibility.

14 posted on 01/02/2012 10:10:30 AM PST by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: SusaninOhio

Definition of natural born citizen? That is where the controversy is...

Evidence suggests that Romney’s own grandfather came to America as an illegal immigrant. His great-grandfather, a devout Mormon in a time when his church encouraged polygamy, fled the US with his multiple wives in 1884, when American law could strip polygamists of the right to vote or serve on juries. Romney’s grandfather and father were born and raised in Mexico, and Romney’s father was a child when his family left Mexico at the height of the Mexican Revolution, in 1912. Romney’s father’s and grandmother were American citizens under the law at that time, and came to America on a train, while his grandfather crossed the border northward in classic “illegal immigrant” fashion.


15 posted on 01/02/2012 10:11:29 AM PST by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Jonty30

I heard he was conceived on the back of a 10 speed bike


16 posted on 01/02/2012 10:13:20 AM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: chopperman
It doesn’t matter where his father was born. It only matters if his father was a citizen when he Mitt was born.

Just wanted to clear up any confusion. There is so much of that on this subject.

17 posted on 01/02/2012 10:13:40 AM PST by chopperman
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To: SvenMagnussen
There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii

There is no evidence whatever that he was born in Hawaii. None. No one at either of the two possible hospitals who was there at the time. No real documentation. And, if he really was born in Hawaii, why would Obama post a forged COLB on the internet, wait two years, and then post another forged COLB on the internet?

What is he hiding?

18 posted on 01/02/2012 10:14:02 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SvenMagnussen
The entire zero MSN machine etc will go after all birthers as kooks.
19 posted on 01/02/2012 10:20:36 AM PST by duckman (Herman 2012 was Zero's worst night mare.)
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To: Diogenesis
The ineligible Romney will make this MOOT which is why Romney has PROTECTED Obama.

Panama born McCain was pretty quiet on Constitutional requirement issues as well...

20 posted on 01/02/2012 10:28:36 AM PST by null and void (Day 1077 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; Bikkuri; Plummz; ...
Ping
21 posted on 01/02/2012 10:31:22 AM PST by null and void (Day 1077 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: chopperman

“It doesn’t matter where his father was born. It only matters if his father was a citizen when he was born.”

Correct


22 posted on 01/02/2012 10:33:52 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: precisionshootist
>"“There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii “

IF you believe 3 forged PDF files, and not notice the LACK OF A PAPER BC!

Seriously his baby daddy was a Kenyan/British citizen. Making 0bastard0 a DUAL CITIZEN at best.


Dual Citizens are NOT ELIGIBLE!

23 posted on 01/02/2012 10:37:00 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Obama’s HI COLB is prima facie evidence he was born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961.

The key to understanding Obama’s eligibility problem is that his Original Long Form BC has a “date accepted” Aug 8, 1961 and his COLB has a “date filed” Aug 8, 1961. The difference is due to an edit, update or change in the record since the original record was created.

The HI DoH records administrator can lawfully change, edit or update a birth record if a Court Order is issued. A court Order was issued when the Soetoro adoption was annulled.

The HI DoH has several birth records for Obama on file.

1) Original Long Form BC with a “date accepted” Aug 8, 1961, sealed and archived by the Soetoro adoption

2) The Barry Soetoro COLB with a “date filed” Aug 8, 1961, sealed and archived by the annulment of the Soetoro adoption.

3) The Obama COLB with a “date filed” Aug 8, 1961 created after the Soetoro adoption was annulled and the BHO’s Sr. rights were restored as the birth father.

Obama’s ineligibility is due to the fact he used the naturalization process to restore his U.S. Citizenship after he turned 18. When his SSN was filed for it was filed by his legal guardian located in Connecticut. As a Permanent Resident Alien, Obama was entitled to obtain a SSN.


24 posted on 01/02/2012 10:37:11 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: SvenMagnussen

So where and when did Obama natuaralize?


25 posted on 01/02/2012 10:46:40 AM PST by rolling_stone
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To: SvenMagnussen

`Willard Has Two (3? 4? 5?) Mommies’


26 posted on 01/02/2012 10:47:34 AM PST by tumblindice (Live Free or Die in 2012)
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To: al baby
I heard he was conceived on the back of a 10 speed bike...

and I heard he was conceived on the roof of a moving station wagon... in a dog carrier, no less!

27 posted on 01/02/2012 10:51:33 AM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: SvenMagnussen

I believe this can be resolved without a constitutional crisis by waiting till after he is out of office. Then his laws and appointments can be overturned.

Right now, considering succession, it’s just too complicated an issue to deal with.

But if it were up to me, I’d throw the criminal out and let the chips fall where they may.


28 posted on 01/02/2012 10:54:18 AM PST by zeebee
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To: Cicero
Cicero, the man cannot prove he was born in Hawaii, and we cannot prove he wasn't.

So, IMHO, the first round in this absurd "place of birth" match is a draw. The real question is, and always has been IMHO, "His father was not a citizen of the US, so is this Mombasa MF a "Natural Born American Citizen?"

Now for 200 years or so, everyone, including yours truly, sort of had an idea that an "NBC" had to have two (2) parents who were American citizens. Unfortunately, no one felt the need to write that down in simple declarative English.

Now, when we turn to our courts to handle the question, as they should, they run and hide. The team of Socialists, Marxists, and outright Communists who are the ridiculous Puppet-POTUS's stringpullers have pulled off the greatest anti-Constitutionalist coups (and a rather impressive PR trick) in our history. They have done this by shifting the focus OFF the Constitution and onto the sunny shores of Hawaii. OK the SOB was born in Hawaii. So what?

They have us fighting the essentially sideshow birther battle which neither side can win, while the main event of Constitution Eligibility slips by unnoticed. The Furhrer would be proud. Houdini could not have done it better.

The SCOTUS is very well aware of the issue and has chosen not to enter the fray. But now the problem is snowballing. Rubio is not eligible. Jindal is not eligible. My grandson is not eligible. Both parents must be American citizens at the time of the candidate's birth. WTF is so hard about the concept? Yes or No. Up or Down. Ya black-robed, overpaid bumkissers! Just do your gddam jobs.

Perhaps one election official will make the case at the state level, forcing Obama off one state's primary ballots and into the courts. I will not hold my breath. Ain't nobody guaranteed this Republic was going to last forever. With the coming majority of those living here and those they will choose to represent them, it simply won't.

29 posted on 01/02/2012 10:58:16 AM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: rolling_stone

Obama went to Indonesia in 1981 (he was twenty years old) before he traveled to Pakistan. Now we know Obama’s mother was living in Hawaii in 1981 after viewing the Soetoro divorce record.

So, Obama went to Indonesia before he traveled to Pakistan to renew his Indonesian Passport. Consequently, we can reasonable conclude Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1982 or 1983.


30 posted on 01/02/2012 10:58:40 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: SvenMagnussen
There appears little doubt that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii...

Wrong. Not one shred of proof has been discovered that Obama was born in Hawaii

Every document offered by the Obama camp of his origin has been quickly proven to be amateurish forgeries. And every effort by Obama's supporters to locate his Birth Certificate have met failure.

I have no doubt that Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen. He is likely not even a citizen. He has never proven citizenship.

Therefore, if Obama is a citizen but not natural born, then he is guilty of High Treason by illegally assuming the Presidency. If he is not even a citizen, he is a spy and enemy of the United States.

Until Obama proves his citizenship, he is one or the other...nothing else.

It's that simple.

31 posted on 01/02/2012 11:13:16 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: SvenMagnussen
Obama’s HI COLB is prima facie evidence he was born in Hawaii on Aug 4, 1961.

Not true if the document has been altered or is a forgery. Disagree?

The key to understanding Obama’s eligibility problem is that his Original Long Form BC has a “date accepted” Aug 8, 1961…

What is your evidence for commenting about anything depicted on the “Original Long Form BC”? Have you seen the document?

Obama’s ineligibility is due to the fact he used the naturalization process to restore his U.S. Citizenship after he turned 18.

What evidence supports any claim there was a naturalization process?
What is the basis for contending that one born in the U.S. who lost citizenship while a minor by action of a parent, but who was later naturalized, is ineligible as to the NBC requirement of being born in the U.S.?

32 posted on 01/02/2012 11:16:16 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther...I am an NBCer)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Not sure I’d be SO sure about Hawaii. A probability, NOT a certainty. No KNOWN hospital, NO absolute BC proof in existence. Who the hell knows? The guy has six different names. Multiple SS#’s. No known college records of ANY kind. Only a FEW poorly written non-legal pieces from Harvard that clearly demonstrate he could NOT have and did NOT write either book. Corpsman? 57 states? The guy is a moron. How about his homosexual friends? Trip to Pakistan and Indonesia (lady-boys?) with his ‘good’ pal? And that’s just the tip of the iceberg!


33 posted on 01/02/2012 11:29:53 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: SusaninOhio

Mitt’s father, George, was born in Mexico. As far as Mexico is concerned, a child born under its jurisdiction is a Mexican. So George has to naturalize to be a US citizen when his parents bought him back to US. It is not known if George was ever ‘naturalized’ to be a US citizen prior to Mitt’s birth. So, if Mitt was born to a Mexican father, Mitt is NOT a natural born citizen and constitutionally ineligible to be the pres.


34 posted on 01/02/2012 11:31:39 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: null and void

McCain was born in the Canal Zone ,which was U.S. territory, to parents that were citizens of the U.S. He is most definitely a Natural Born U.S. citizen. No other country or sovereign could make claims upon his loyalty , and that is the reason for the Natural Born Citizen clause.


35 posted on 01/02/2012 11:31:47 AM PST by MCF
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To: DakotaGator

Barry Soetoro, Indonesian National, son of Lolo Soetoro and the former Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Honolulu, HI, Aug 4, 1961. Some Obots want to stay focused on birth location because they know Obama's Certificate of Naturalization is the key to his ineligibility for POTUS.


36 posted on 01/02/2012 11:35:33 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Absolutely right. But I don’t think that means we have to throw out the birther issue. There are TWO reasons for saying that Obama is an illegitimate POTUS. And they are stonewalling on both of them.

Not to mention that he has hidden virtually all of his life records, including his academic grades from kindergarten through law school, and the press refuses to question it.

I don’t think that we need to drop any of these issues. They are all significant.


37 posted on 01/02/2012 11:39:50 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: MCF
McCain was born in the Canal Zone, which was U.S. territory

Not according to his birth certificate, he wasn't.

He was born in Colón. Colón is now and always has been in Panama. Like West Berlin, surrounded by East Germany, it was surrounded by the Canal Zone, but never part of it.

38 posted on 01/02/2012 11:40:02 AM PST by null and void (Day 1077 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: SvenMagnussen

‘The President’s birth certificate would clear up that issue.’

No need the birth cert to clear up that issue!
Soetoro/obama has already admitted that he was born to a Brit citizen father, so he fails to meet article 2 natural born citizen (nbc) requirement - supreme court cases, founding fathers’ documents, ‘Law of Nations’ ...all define natural born citizen as one born on US soil to 2 US citizen paretnS. obumo’s own ‘resolution 511’ in April 2008 also ‘resolved’ that McCain is natural born US citizen because he was born to 2 US citizen parents.
But then obumo declared himself a nbc to the state of Az (in 2008) although he was NOT born to 2 US citizen parents!


39 posted on 01/02/2012 11:43:19 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj

And his father George was clearly ineligible, yet was a candidate until he dropped out—not because someone pointed out he was constitutionally ineligible but because of his “brainwashing” comment and the uproar that followed.

His son is also ineligible, and so is Barry Soetero. There is no reason to wait until either is (re) elected. Toss them out now, 0’s done enough damage, and Willard would be worse because what he does would carry the imprimatur of the GOP.


40 posted on 01/02/2012 11:49:49 AM PST by tumblindice (Live Free or Die in 2012)
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To: Kenny Bunk
As usual, you raise a good point, and then while we think on it you provide the correct analysis.

They have us fighting the essentially sideshow birther battle which neither side can win...

And then,

Perhaps one election official will make the case at the state level, forcing Obama off one state's primary ballots and into the courts.

That KB, is the proper view. It may require only that one single state SOS or AG mans up and challenges the candidate's sworn certification that he or she is eligible. The challenge will require the candidate to authorize the birth state to provide birth documents (in the instant case there are many) and a certification that the candidate was indeed born within that state.

In my view, the challenging state should not be asked to interpret the U.S. Constitution; most would tremble at the request. Better that any or all of the states deal with what is an everyday exercise for them, verifying and confirming amongst themselves as to whether an individual's birthplace certification is valid, or is felonious.

Under this scenario there may be no court challenge, there is nothing unclear about a U.S. birthplace requirement.

Unfortunately, if the USSC is asked to decide the second requirement - two citizen parents - we run the risk of a decision based largely on politics. Notwithstanding that element avoids anchor babies running for office. In that regard it seems better the Congress decide the matter at the next Joint Session called for that purpose.

41 posted on 01/02/2012 11:50:39 AM PST by frog in a pot (I am not a birther...I am an NBCer)
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To: chrisnj

What if the actual BC does not have a Father? What if it is blank or says Unknown. (assuming there actually is a BC which I believe there isn’t.) If no father is listed or known does the fact that his commie mother was an American mean he’s ok? Do you have to have a father written in to make it legal?


42 posted on 01/02/2012 11:53:41 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: tumblindice

That is right. There are reports that George was born in Mexico, therefore he was a Mexican despite having 2 US citizen parents, just as a child born in USA to 2 Mexican parents is a US citizen!
Unless George was naturalized to be a US citizen prior to Mitt’s birth, Mitt was born to 1 US citizen parent only and fails to meet the article 2 natural born citizen requirement to be the president!
Gingrich and others can/should challenge Romney’s nbc status before it is too late.
obumo wants Romney to be the nominee so people can’t hold obama ineligibile but hold Romney eligible. A precedent will be set forever!


43 posted on 01/02/2012 11:56:12 AM PST by chrisnj
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To: chrisnj
So, if Mitt was born to a Mexican father, Mitt is NOT a natural born citizen and constitutionally ineligible to be the pres.
Shhhhh...the liberals will have to drag the whole eligibility argument out into the public eye all over again to discredit Mitt as ineligible and knock him out of the front runner spot as he's the hardest to beat.

Oh, wait! That isn't happening. Never mind.

44 posted on 01/02/2012 11:58:21 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: chopperman

‘It doesn’t matter where his father was born. It only matters if his father was a citizen when he was born.’

So if his father was born a Mexican (because of his birth in Mexico) and was never naturalized to be a US citizen then Mitt is NOT an article 2 natural born citizen (nbc)!
If his father was naturalized prior to Mitt’ birth then Mitt is a nbc.


45 posted on 01/02/2012 12:01:17 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: tumblindice
...Willard would be worse because what he does would carry the imprimatur of the GOP.

See! See! They do it to. /progressive justification

46 posted on 01/02/2012 12:02:50 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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LOL....They do it too.
47 posted on 01/02/2012 12:06:05 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: T Ruth

‘One could understand why Mitt Romney would not want to make an issue of Obama’s eligibility.’

One could understand why Gingrich et al should want to make an issue of Mitt’s eligibility issue. If they do they will kill 2 birds (Mitt and obama’s candidacy) with 1 stone!

but they are not so smart after all!


48 posted on 01/02/2012 12:07:42 PM PST by chrisnj
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To: SvenMagnussen
... many people believe that he is not entitled to hold his office as he is ineligible due to the status of his parents. The President's birth certificate would clear up that issue.

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Hogwash! Take his (phony) birth certificate at face value and this case is closed.

He openly admits his father was NOT a U.S. citizen, which therefore disqualifies him as a "natural born citizen." Birth certificate be damned.

He doesn't belong on ANY state's ballot.

49 posted on 01/02/2012 12:16:21 PM PST by DNME (A monarch's neck should always have a noose around it. It keeps him upright. - Robert Heinlein)
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To: SvenMagnussen
.....we can reasonable conclude Obama naturalized as a U.S. Citizen in 1982 or 1983....

Since no record has been shown of his naturalization, Sven, one could just as reasonably conclude, or at least infer, that he did not naturalize. Had he done so, there would be a record ... or more likely, there would have been a record since disappeared.

I think he just cruised right by with a little help from Mom and her friends. I hope the SCOTUS is just waiting for him to leave office before addressing the question.

50 posted on 01/02/2012 12:17:43 PM PST by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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