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Iraq vet sought in killing of Rainier ranger is found dead
msnbc.com ^ | 1/2/12 | AP

Posted on 01/02/2012 5:02:56 PM PST by ColdOne

MOUNT RAINIER NATIONAL PARK, Wash. — An armed Iraq War veteran suspected of killing a Mount Rainier National Park ranger was found dead Monday, apparently killed by the cold overnight. A plane searching the remote wilderness for Benjamin Colton Barnes, 24, discovered his body lying partially submerged in an icy, snowy mountain creek with snow banks standing several feet high on either side.

"He was wearing T-shirt, a pair of jeans and one tennis shoe. That was it," Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

Barnes did not have any external wounds and appears to have died due to the elements, he said. A medical examiner was at the scene to determine the cause of death. Troyer said two weapons were recovered, but he declined to say where they were located.

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1 posted on 01/02/2012 5:03:01 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Good.


2 posted on 01/02/2012 5:05:27 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ColdOne
I have to say...I feel sick from this. I'm not sure we do enough for our guys after they come home.

Where do we start??

IMHO, This guy didn't really want to kill anyone except himself.

3 posted on 01/02/2012 5:07:44 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ColdOne

How typical of MSNBC to lead their headline with “Iraq vet”, with the implication that Iraq vets are killers...

Ask yourself how that headline would have read, if the killer had been an african-american muslim??


4 posted on 01/02/2012 5:10:06 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: ColdOne
Barnes did not have any external wounds and appears to have died due to the elements,

When I read yesterday about this guy running in to the woods I figured it would end this way.

You don’t run in to the woods in winter unprepared and expect to survive.

"He was wearing T-shirt, a pair of jeans and one tennis shoe. That was it,"

I didn’t know he was this unprepared but the difference was only a matter of time.

5 posted on 01/02/2012 5:10:06 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: ColdOne; Doogle
"Maj. Chris Ophardt, an Army spokesman, told The News Tribune that Barnes had been stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, near Tacoma, and was released from the Army in November 2009 after two years and seven months on active duty after charges of driving under the influence and improperly transporting privately owned weapons."

A mystery solved.

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
6 posted on 01/02/2012 5:12:29 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: rockrr

NOT GOOD!!!! THIS IS A TRAGEDY!...all the way around.

I will wait to see the story of this veteran.
Most likely he had PTSD and other problems. WE OFFER VERY LIMITED HELP TO THESE VETERANS!!

I was sick when I heard it was an Iraqi vet...I have no problem with the news stating this. It is so sad that the ONLY time the Va increases staff and services is when something like this happens and it hits the news.

The VA now has a hiring freeze on nationally for mental health workers. there are programs, but the waiting lists, and limited psychiatric beds and services are appalling.
And now more Iraqi vets will come home, needing help.


7 posted on 01/02/2012 5:18:02 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: ColdOne

And MSNBC-Obama proudly trumpets the “Iraq is the new Vietnam” meme.

We all came back insane baby-killers, doncha know... /s


8 posted on 01/02/2012 5:18:42 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: ConorMacNessa
was released from the Army in November 2009 after two years and seven months on active duty after charges of driving under the influence and improperly transporting privately owned weapons."

Thanx for that. On yahoo, there was a slideshow with pics of the guy..neck tattoos with the seven deadly sins, looked like his forehead had grown 2 inches heighthwise from pics several years ago..I bet he was a steroid user, among other things.

9 posted on 01/02/2012 5:20:35 PM PST by sockmonkey (He's not perfect, but Perry is no wussy boy)
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To: ConorMacNessa

And the VA services for substance abuse problems and emotional problems are APPALINGLY INSUFFICIENT.

the veterans do not have the powerful lobby they need to get better services.


10 posted on 01/02/2012 5:20:49 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: Old Sarge

there are many Vets that DO come back with emotional and other problems....Lets get the right perspective this time around and get these guys and gals the help they need.


11 posted on 01/02/2012 5:22:52 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: ColdOne
They crammed the "Iraqi war vet" in as early as they could.

Now about those 50 arrested at the Mall of America none were identified by ethnicicity...Nor are illegal aliens when associated with further crimes...Nor are muzzies when kicked off of airplanes for shouting Allah akbar...

But a white Iraqi war vet and the world needs to know.

12 posted on 01/02/2012 5:23:00 PM PST by pfflier
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To: Sacajaweau

“This guy didn’t really want to kill anyone except himself.”

I haven’t read about this too closely, but if that’s what he wanted to do I guess, since he was armed he could have easily done that.

Instead he shot and killed that woman. So, I don’t know what his problem was but it seems murder was his aim, not suicide.

Glad he’s dead though, but it doesn’t do much for the two toddlers the ranger left behind.


13 posted on 01/02/2012 5:28:39 PM PST by jocon307
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To: pfflier

It’s quite a reliable pattern.


14 posted on 01/02/2012 5:29:21 PM PST by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: ColdOne
"He was wearing T-shirt, a pair of jeans and one tennis shoe. That was it," Pierce County Sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said.

If I recall correctly when the story first broke this guy was classified as a "survivalist" which, evidently, he was not. Now that the "survivalist" theme doesn't work anymore, he becomes an Iraq war vet. If that doesn't pan out he will become a bible-thumping evangelical. In any case the lamestreamers will bend over backwards to spin this guy as a conservative kinda like they did with the living, breathing Ft. Hood muzzie and the Gabbie Gifford shooting nut-job they now ignore like the plague.(sarc)

15 posted on 01/02/2012 5:31:06 PM PST by immadashell
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To: sockmonkey

The VA tends to throw a LOT of drugs at people.


16 posted on 01/02/2012 5:32:51 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ColdOne; All
The military gets a bad rap concerning a perception of psychological cases somehow being due to service related experiences.

I say this because three quarters of all mental illness cases have begun by age 24. The average age of onset of schizophrenia is about 21.

For many of these young men and women, they had already been exhibiting symptoms that all was not well during their teen years and it is for that very reason they were "steered" into the military out of a hope that they would "straighten up">

17 posted on 01/02/2012 5:45:15 PM PST by fso301
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To: pfflier

“Iraqi war vet” is not an ethnicity. Am I missing something?


18 posted on 01/02/2012 5:49:06 PM PST by RDAardvark (Fast-forward to Jan 20th 2013, please.)
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To: ColdOne

The commie left is already trying to pin this on the Congress for passing a bill to allow AMERICANS to carry firearms in THEIR National Parks. Liberalism is definitely a mental disease. Never let a good crisis go to waste. If it hadn’t been for that bill, this murderer would not have dared to take a weapon into a National Park. Liberals are morons! Bill Wade, the outgoing chair of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees is the biggest moron of them all.


19 posted on 01/02/2012 5:53:09 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Stop BIG Government Greed!!!!!)
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To: ColdOne

Mother Nature dealt harshly with him, as we hoped she would. This guy would not have gone down without taking a few more of our law enforcement with him.


20 posted on 01/02/2012 6:02:53 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: RDAardvark

I think he means the usage of labels to describe the “perp”, not simply ethnicity.

You wouldn’t be able to tell the political affiliation, race, ethnicity or religion of those arrested at the Mall of America.

You wouldn’t be able to tell the race, ethnicity or religion of the guy dressed as Santa Claus who shot his family.

The point he makes is that there are certain groups that if they are involved in anything, their party affiliation, religion, race, ethnicity or work history is going to be mentioned in the first sentence of the article, if not the headline: Republican, Conservative, White, Christian, Military (ex or current)

The other groups specifically not listed above? Well, you might never know about who or what they are beyond their name.

An example of this bizarre behavior by the Media is the Beltway Sniper. His name was given in all the articles for some time as John Allen or John Allen Williams, and he was portrayed as disgruntled ex-military. It was only much later that it was revealed he was a Nation of Islam member and was known as John Allen Muhammed.


21 posted on 01/02/2012 6:04:17 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: ColdOne

BTW, he was running into the national park to hide... he shot four people at a party earlier that day. And before we jump headlong into the “poor Iraqi vet” defense, he wasn’t a combat soldier. My son-in-law spent a year in Afghanistan and he hasn’t gone on a killing spree, and he saw some serious stuff.

I’ll bet this guy had issues long before he set foot in Iraq.


22 posted on 01/02/2012 6:11:41 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Really i should not be surprised the left is trying to do this with this one. YET NOTHING ON THE ILLEGAL BURNING VEHICLES IN LA?

http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?feed=421898&article=9556952


23 posted on 01/02/2012 6:12:54 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: sockmonkey
Saw those pics - what a piece of work!

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
24 posted on 01/02/2012 6:14:50 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: driftdiver

It depends on the doctor..and they vary.

If there were more alternate services less drugs would be needed. but then, we need to give that tax payor money to “the hood”.


25 posted on 01/02/2012 6:16:24 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: fso301

the statistics do not bear that out.

So what if they had some problems before..several tours in Iraq in combat would mess up a lot of them still. Moreover, many of these vets are 21 or 24 when they get out of the service.


26 posted on 01/02/2012 6:18:31 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: SandyInSeattle
BTW, he was running into the national park to hide,,,,yup I’ll bet this guy had issues long before he set foot in Iraq. Correct on both
27 posted on 01/02/2012 6:23:33 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: rockrr

Yep - that is almost a perfect way to die for a killer. I’m glad to hear that he didn’t commit suicide. Soaking wet, standing in a creek at night, trying to figure out a way to climb out, perhaps trying several times but falling back in. With each time getting harder and harder, and more desperate. Yep - sounds like a reasonable punishment for this killer.

OTOH - too bad that he didn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t get help for his pysch. problems.


28 posted on 01/02/2012 6:30:14 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: ColdOne

Nothing in that article says the firebug is an illegal. His mother is being deported, not him. Where are you getting that he’s illegal?


29 posted on 01/02/2012 6:32:46 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: driftdiver

That is what they do best, IMHO. Drugs of all sorts and lots of them. They may do some things well but there is something wrong with the way they so easily throw drugs at every problem as a first resort instead of a last resort.


30 posted on 01/02/2012 6:38:05 PM PST by GILTN1stborn (Can you hear me now?)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I will look again my links....let you know either way OK?


31 posted on 01/02/2012 6:39:46 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

Okay! Kind of moot at this point... he’ll for darn sure be deported now. With his mother.

Odd target for him to pick, though. Cars have nothing to do with immigration.

It’s been a weird few days.


32 posted on 01/02/2012 6:43:12 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: ColdOne

All that said about the media using this as a tool for their own agendas is true enough, but in the end it boils down to a guy who shot someone and left her kids orphaned.

Sounds better he is dead regardless. Doesn’t seem to be any doubt he did it, so he is on trial up there now.


33 posted on 01/02/2012 6:43:49 PM PST by rlmorel ("A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject." Winston Churchill)
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To: SandyInSeattle
The man in custody, a foreign national whose name has not yet been made public http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/NEWS.html?feed=421898&article=9556952 this may be how i associated him with being a illegal...thanks for catching that.
34 posted on 01/02/2012 6:46:30 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

Tears for all involved. The man was obviously in need of serious help, and although I am in favor of the death penalty, I am also studying psychology. We can ALWAYS mourn the death of a man, because we can mourn for our own fall from grace. We know in our hearts and minds that this should not have happened. The fall of mankind is not natural. Evil is not natural, and neither is death.


35 posted on 01/02/2012 6:46:37 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: ColdOne

If I were to guess, I’d say he was an LPR (Lawful Permanent Resident). His mother probably came for a “visit” and overstayed.

Sorry about your poochie. :-(


36 posted on 01/02/2012 6:52:04 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: Pontiac
"He was wearing T-shirt, a pair of jeans and one tennis shoe. That was it,"

I have no idea what happened in this case, but often severely hypothermic people will become so disoriented / confused they'll strip off their clothing. That may have been the situation here.

37 posted on 01/02/2012 6:57:42 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: ColdOne

On the other hand... I find the BC plated vehicle curious.


38 posted on 01/02/2012 6:57:48 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: SandyInSeattle

thank you about my poochie. Also thanks for calling me on that illegal bit. I want to be sure these days you know!


39 posted on 01/02/2012 6:59:48 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Pontiac; Uncle Ike

The media made him sound like he was a survivalist pure military survival. Also this morning I saw 2 headlines ... Ranger killed... and of course the Military vet killing ranger..


40 posted on 01/02/2012 7:04:28 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: ColdOne

It has been legal for people to take loaded firearms into Mount Rainier since 2010, when a federal law went into effect that made possession of firearms in national parks subject to state gun laws.

Bill Wade, the outgoing chair of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees, said Congress should be regretting its decision to allow loaded weapons in national parks. He called Sunday’s fatal shooting a tragedy that could have been prevented. He hopes Congress will reconsider the law that took effect in early 2010, but doubts that will happen in today’s political climate.

This POS shot & killed someone, if only there was a law that would have stopped him... Bill, your an a$$hole...

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120102/NEWS03/799999787#Body-of-suspect-in-shooting-of-Mount-Rainier-ranger-found-in-snow


41 posted on 01/02/2012 7:07:37 PM PST by 1 x 7 Twist... (You can have my MOAB when they pry it from my cold dead fingers...)
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To: ConorMacNessa; Doogle

Great work.....thanks!!!!


42 posted on 01/02/2012 7:07:40 PM PST by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: 21twelve; ColdOne

If I didn’t know better I would think I was on a Dummie site.

Yeah, lets all pile on this veteran like the left does!
“reasonable punishment for this killer”
“ bet he had issues before, yup!”

You guys make me sick. You don’t wait for anything before you start yapping about “the killer”. Is that what everyone said when a Vietnam vet with PTSD killed someone back in the day? Yeah, “that killer probably had issues before he went to Vietnam...Yeah, that vet deserved to die!”

If you read up on this, yes, he had PTSD issues...But, tragic as it is that the mother of two children died..its also tragic we can’t get plenty of help for our veterans.
According to you...why bother? They were messed up before they went over there...and anyways, they deserved to die in a cold river, they’re just killers.

A real pro-veteran site, yeah.


43 posted on 01/02/2012 7:14:30 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: ColdOne

You’re going to see a lot more of these stories...more vets are coming home with more problems and less help available.

but, why bother helping them? They had problems before they left, blah, blah. Just what the Libs would say...”crazed.”


44 posted on 01/02/2012 7:17:51 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: NittanyLion
often severely hypothermic people will become so disoriented / confused they'll strip off their clothing.

Really?? Geez, I've never heard that before. Bizarre.

45 posted on 01/02/2012 7:23:27 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I’m kind of surprised at the attitude on this thread too. I can be as vengeful as the next person, but I can’t be happy this young man met such a fate. I think he deserved punishment, but not this.


46 posted on 01/02/2012 7:26:46 PM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Really?? Geez, I've never heard that before. Bizarre.

It certainly is. I've seen it referred to as "paradoxical undressing". Supposedly it occurs due to the constriction and then subsequent dilation of blood vessels within a person's extremities as they experience stages of hypothermia. Not sure of the physiology, but the bottom line is that the person will suddenly feel overheated even as their temperature continues to drop. As a result they'll shed layers of clothing, hence hastening the process.

47 posted on 01/02/2012 7:29:24 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: NittanyLion; Uncle Ike; ColdOne
often severely hypothermic people will become so disoriented / confused they'll strip off their clothing.

I also thought of that when I read the about the one shoe. I also thought that a man in the mountains would likely have at least a jacket. But the younger generations consider it fashionable to go out in the cold with no coat, shorts (or pajama bottoms) and flip-flops. The young people today give no thought to what happens if things go bad while they are away from home. Going out like that can mean death or easily the loss of body parts to frost bite.

The shoe could have been lost early on when he was running away. If it was he should have surrendered then because it was a death sentence.

48 posted on 01/02/2012 7:42:35 PM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Sacajaweau
I'm not sure we do enough for our guys after they come home.

We're doing more now for vets than we EVER have before--and that includes WWI, WWII and Vietnam vets who saw incredibly horrible combat conditions--or years in horrific POW camps.

One can barely turn around and not hear on TV or other media about private and public groups helping out vets... My WWII-era parents are amazed at all the focus on vets today--something they never saw in their generation--and this for all volunteer military--that, relative to experience--are very well paid in salary and even life-time benefits. Almost every (smart) job recruiter too, gives preference for veterans...as the discipline and respect for authority engrained in the military, itself pays lifetime benefits.

Yes we need to be grateful and help out men and women who put their lives on the line to serve America, but, guys who go wild like this man evidently did--are not the fault of America not caring for her vets.

49 posted on 01/02/2012 7:49:04 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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To: Pontiac
But the younger generations consider it fashionable to go out in the cold with no coat, shorts (or pajama bottoms) and flip-flops. The young people today give no thought to what happens if things go bad while they are away from home. Going out like that can mean death or easily the loss of body parts to frost bite.

I've noticed this too. Something as minor as a flat tire--or running out of gas can turn to a life-threatening crises for the stupid flops/shorts wearing fashionistas.

Didn't anyone spend time in the Boy Scouts, where one is taught to "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst?"

To me it's irresponsible and effeminate for men especially to be underdressed and unprepared going out in cold weather.

50 posted on 01/02/2012 7:54:57 PM PST by AnalogReigns (because REALITY is never digital...)
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