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Moderate road won’t beat Obama
The Boston Herald ^ | January 2, 2012 | Holly Robichaud

Posted on 01/02/2012 7:19:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Tomorrow less than 20 percent of registered Republicans in Iowa are going to tell us who they believe should take on President Obama. Presidential candidate Jon Huntsman, who has bypassed the caucuses, said last week that Iowa picks corn, not presidents. Is he correct?

Well, if you ask Mike Huckabee, he would say yes. But on the other hand, Obama did win the state.

Iowa’s importance will be in whittling down the field of contenders. It is most likely going to claim several conservatives, which means that their voters could flock to another right-wing candidate — not necessarily the frontrunner.

If Rick Santorum or Newt Gingrich gets an Iowa bump, as Huckabee did, you can expect establishment Republicans to once again pound the message that voters have to nominate a moderate to win the presidency.

This theory makes sense for the commonwealth, because we are the People’s Republic of Massachusetts. That’s why U.S. Sen. Scott Brown does not vote as conservatively as we all want.

However, the rest of the nation is not Massachusetts, so GOP voters can hold out for a Ronald Reagan conservative.

For years the Democrats believed they could not nominate an ultra-left-winger and win the presidency. That was one of the major reasons given in 2004 to end Vermont’s former Gov. Howard Dean’s candidacy. Obama trashed that hypothesis.

Compared to Barack, Hillary Clinton looks like Margaret Thatcher.

In 2008, Republicans dutifully nominated U.S. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.).

Despite publicly criticizing then-President George W. Bush on federal spending, McCain was otherwise an establishment moderate because of his record of being part of the Senate Gang of 14 and a supporter of amnesty for illegal immigrants.

When Republicans select a moderate, the nominee cannot run to the middle to win over voters. Actually, the candidate has to do the opposite to make sure there is no base abandonment.

Moderation can impel Republicans to stay home rather than vote, as we saw in the disastrous 2006 and 2008 elections. GOP voters were angry at our elected officials for increasing spending, growing entitlements, etc. They repaid them by refusing to vote.

Being a shrewd politician, McCain tried to motivate the base by picking Alaska’s Gov. Sarah Palin.

It wasn’t enough to retain conservative voters when he stumbled over the market meltdown, and in the end, even moderates such as Colin Powell ditched McCain.

We have been there and done this moderate candidacy against Obama. Are we going to repeat this unsuccessful model?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; alaska; arizona; colinpowell; elections; gingrich; hillaryclinton; hollyrobichaud; howarddean; iowa; johnmccain; jonhuntsman; massachusetts; mikehuckabee; newtgingrich; nobama2012; obama; palin; ricksantorum; romney; santorum; sarahpalin; scottbrown; vermont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
When Mitt Romney ran against Teddy The Swimmer for the Senate seat here in MA, he ran as Kennedy Lite. He was convinced that he had to be more 'moderate', because conservatism can't win in MA. Most folks just figured if he was pretending to be Kennedy, why not vote for the real thing. So he didn't even get the % of votes that George W. Bush got from MA voters when HE ran for President.

Romney is already in trouble with conservatives. If he's the nominee, and he starts this 'moderate' stupidity, he'll go down in flames even more than John McCain did, unless he finds someone like Sarah, who can woo those conservatives to hold their noses and vote for him.

51 posted on 01/02/2012 11:19:08 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: SuziQ

That won’t work for Romney. Even if he picked Sarah herself as his running mate, it would not help him. They tried that trick before with McCain, so everyone knows it; no one will fall for it again. If the RINOs think a trick like that will help a prevaricator like Romney, they are in for a huge surprise.


52 posted on 01/02/2012 11:37:27 PM PST by Waryone
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To: Rational Thought
I can't remember a Moderate Republican candidate winning the Presidency

George H W Bush?

Nixon was a liberal, by today's standards, and Eisenhower was practically a communist. The top tax rate was 91%!

53 posted on 01/02/2012 11:53:35 PM PST by Dick Holmes
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Are we going to repeat this unsuccessful model?

The way things are going, allowing the media to shoot down everyone to his right who gets close to Romney in the polls, it appears that we are.

We let the media pick McCain, and it appears we're going to let them pick Romney too.

54 posted on 01/02/2012 11:54:57 PM PST by El Gato ("The second amendment is the reset button of the US constitution"-Doug McKay)
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To: Rational Thought
Yet, here we are again, with most of the pundits telling us we must cater to a small minority of voters, potentially sacrificing a much larger voting block...us!

That's because a bloc vote swings disproportionate influence over a) candidates and b) officeholders' voting patterns (studies have shown).

Liberals have educated blacks to bloc-vote, and that plus marginal, fungible, might-disappear-if-you-don't-act-right grantsmanship/political money have allowed them to buy our officeholders out from under us.

55 posted on 01/03/2012 2:54:28 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Waryone
No history and hidden past, Obama ran as a moderate but governs as a marxist.

Bill Clinton did the same thing. That whole gig he did in the 1980's, joining and then surging to the forefront of the "Blue Dogs" and the Democratic Leadership Council (Dem "moderates) was all dumbshow to position himself where he and his leather-winged consort -- both of them former SDS (New Left) members, first cousins of the Weather Underground back in the day -- could slide into office and then promptly do a) gun control and b) Sovietized health care.

And remember, Hillary tried to wrap her task force in secrecy -- same thing Nancy Pelosi did with the Obamacare bill, telling Congress they had to pass it first before she'd let them look at it(!).

56 posted on 01/03/2012 3:02:02 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Carry_Okie
I can't remember a Moderate Republican candidate winning the Presidency...

Nixon was the last, Ike equally so.

George H.W. Bush ran as a "kinder, gentler conservative" -- which anyone who knew how to parse the language knew was code for East Coast Sissysquish "Me Too'er". Just another in a long line of nardless, pansified Republican "moderates" going back to Wendell Willkie and Harold Stassen.

57 posted on 01/03/2012 3:06:22 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder; mylife; okie01
I don’t disagree, but their insatiable hunger for power would not stop them putting on a show and running together.

Oh, so you like Obama for President and Hillary for VP, giving Biden the shove, as the next Dem ticket?

Obama won't do it. Even he isn't that stupid.

One word: Arkancide. And he knows it.

58 posted on 01/03/2012 3:12:20 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Rational Thought
Huckabee had some real issues with his (so called) Conservative credentials.

Concur. He had (has) ties (still) to the Arkansas Stevens political machine that whelped Slick and Beast. In fact, I regard Huck as the Stevenses' double-down bet on a Republican resurgence -- their way to "win" if things turn GOP-ish in the country.

He also made a helluva mi casa, su casa speech to (I think it was) LULAC (or La Raza) in Little Rock in 2003 at their national convention there. He was allllll for immigrants then. And Bill Clinton was sitting on the dais behind him, as were no doubt the Tysons and Bo Pilgrim, too, who've been peopling their chicken-processing operations in Arkansas and Texas (say hello to Rick Perry) with illegal-immigrant Mexicans.

Huckabee's dubious on integrity and associations and a big negative on the illegal-immigration issue.

59 posted on 01/03/2012 3:22:25 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: El Gato
We let the media pick McCain, and it appears we're going to let them pick Romney too.

Matthew Dowd was on Charlie Rose tonight selling Willard's "inevitability" ...... though he was honest enough to notice that Willard has a "flawed candidate" problem, and conservatives flat don't accept him, period.

He predicted Willard would lurch Left in the general, to try to "occupy the center". As if that sort of politics worked anymore in the Age of Alinskyite Personal Destruction.

Oh, and some other bloated, fat RiNO Rat was there, calling a win for Willard in Iowa "game over". He was also lying to us, telling us that Romney is "the one the Obama people are afraid of". Bull hockey. Dowd was selling that, too.

Dowd was at least willing to wait a primary or two ..... and honest enough to outline the Establishment strategy of using lots and lots of money to wear the voters down, shoving Willard in our faces until we give up and give the bastards what they want.

60 posted on 01/03/2012 3:34:46 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Carry_Okie

With Nixon we got the EPA. Thanks Dick!


61 posted on 01/03/2012 5:19:33 AM PST by hadaclueonce (scrap copper is more than $3.00 a pound. wind generators are full of copper)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Not saying I like them, nor have I properly projected the angst of an 0bama-Clinton ticket.

I just know, though, that if there was anything that could make libs stupider than they already are, it would be the cocktail of 0bama’s empty promises plus the wistful longing for the utopia of the Clinton era. Why, we’d have hope for the future plus the internet revolution plus super low unemployment plus the harmonic convergence of the new century all bundled together.


62 posted on 01/03/2012 8:40:34 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (The only economic certainty: When it all blows up, Krugman will say we didn't spend enough.)
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To: matthew fuller

Pfft. None of them really- the field is weak. I like Santorum’s social conservatism but I can’t see that he has any executive experience. I think much the same of Michelle Bachmann, although I find her more attractive, because, well, I find her attractive. Newt Gingrich is in my opinion a crook, Perry a repeat of the last Bush, and Romney in my view might as well be a Democrat. All that being said, I find Bachmann, Santorum, or Newt preferable to Romney in that order. Ron Paul....well, considering I want Mecca, Tehran etc. to be radioactive dust ASAP, doesn’t make the cut, nor would Huntsman- actually working in the Obama administration voluntarily suggests he isn’t worthy of my support.


63 posted on 01/03/2012 3:51:59 PM PST by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: Luke21
Anyone who uses the pejorative “right wing,” an epithet used to smear conservatives, automatically loses me.

I agree but this article is worth the read.

64 posted on 01/03/2012 4:06:48 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: mylife

The Obamas and Clintons DO despise each other, but they agree on anti-American policies both at home and abroad. Bob


65 posted on 01/04/2012 12:21:10 AM PST by alstewartfan ("And your oarsman stands with his knife in hand, and his eyes spell 'Mutiny'" Al Stewart)
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