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Rand Paul: My father is misunderstood on Israel
Jerusalem Post ^ | 1/4/12 | HILARY LEIILA KRIEGER

Posted on 01/03/2012 8:24:32 PM PST by SmithL

DES MOINES, Iowa – Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Iran have been greatly misunderstood, his son Senator Rand Paul said in a conversation with The Jerusalem Post just hours before Iowans voted in the first caucuses for the GOP nomination Tuesday night.

Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who like his father espouses libertarian views, said his father’s positions on the threat of a nuclear Iran are in line with those of Mossad head Tamir Pardo and other prominent Israeli figures, who he suggested has questioned the wisdom of using a military option against Iran.

Pardo was quoted by Haaretz as telling Israel’s diplomats in a closed-door meeting that a nuclear Iran was not necessarily an existential threat to Israel.

“Nobody wants Iran to have nuclear weapons. It would destabilize the Middle East,” Rand Paul told the Post following a campaign event in a Des Moines high school, where hundreds of students cheered at his father’s appearance.

“And yet, we have to ask, would it be worse to have a preemptive war with Iran or better? Or can we contain them? We contained the Soviet Union,” Rand Paul said.

(Excerpt) Read more at jpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: apaulling; apaulogia; apaulogist; iran; israel; kentucky; likefatherlikeson; mossad; nukes; paul; paulbearers; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; ronpaul; ronpaultruthfile

1 posted on 01/03/2012 8:24:42 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

Yea, no. We understand perfectly.


2 posted on 01/03/2012 8:25:48 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

Just ask his pals at Code Pink, Hamas, Turkey , Iran about his support if his support for the Terrorist
Code Pink Flotilla against Israel !


3 posted on 01/03/2012 8:29:18 PM PST by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: SmithL

“He doesn’t want everyone in Israel to die in a nuclear holocaust ... just the Jews.”


4 posted on 01/03/2012 8:29:34 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: ncalburt

Wait you forgot that David Duke and that guy with the last name Black (neonazi) endorsed him.
Paul is a racist, anti-Semitic, anti-American (blames America for everything) sot.


5 posted on 01/03/2012 8:31:27 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: SmithL

Dear kindly Sergeant Krupke,
You gotta understand,
It’s just our bringin’ up-ke
That gets us out of hand.
Our mothers all are junkies,
Our fathers all are drunks.
Golly Moses, natcherly we’re punks!

Gee, Officer Krupke, we’re very upset;
We never had the love that ev’ry child oughta get.
We ain’t no delinquents,
We’re misunderstood.
Deep down inside us there is good!

There is good!

There is good, there is good,
There is untapped good!
Like inside, the worst of us is good!


6 posted on 01/03/2012 8:31:52 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: SmithL

Rand, with all due respect..I understand PERFECTLY your daddy’s views on Israel..let’s see..he thinks the 1993 world trade center bombing was done by the Mossad, he thinks Hamas was created by Israel, and he thinks that Israel should be given to the Arabs..but hey if Ive missed how much he loves Israel please feel free to correct me


7 posted on 01/03/2012 8:32:19 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SmithL
I was wondering when Rand would come to the defense of his wacky old man.

Rand, best to keep your distance from the old guy...politically.

8 posted on 01/03/2012 8:33:29 PM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: SmithL

I think Rand and Ron’s problem is that we know Ron Paul’s position on Israel very well.


9 posted on 01/03/2012 8:36:25 PM PST by risen_feenix
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To: ari-freedom

Officer Krupke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq28qCklEHc


10 posted on 01/03/2012 8:36:31 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: SmithL

Ya?
Even with English as my 6th language, it is clear to me...

How does his support of Iran having a nuclear weapon square with misunderstanding his position on Israel?


11 posted on 01/03/2012 8:36:40 PM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: SmithL
said his father’s positions on the threat of a nuclear Iran are in line with those of Mossad head Tamir Pardo and other prominent Israeli figures, who he suggested has questioned the wisdom of using a military option against Iran.

Pardo is the FORMER head because Bibi kicked his crazy ass out. He was put in by leftie Olmert and is equally a traitor as was Rabin and is Barak.

12 posted on 01/03/2012 8:40:35 PM PST by montag813
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To: SmithL

13 posted on 01/03/2012 8:43:21 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Who cares about Israel when we ARE $17 TRILLION AND COUNTING IN DEBT, if you can’t understand why that makes us a bad judge of foreign countries or conflicts then maybe you would like to give me your wallet and your life savings cause you clearly can be easily seperated from it and don’t mind bailing out foreign banks as well as running foreign country police programs and foreign war on poverty programs with other people’s money and you don’t mind unemployment, cause the further we go into debt the more likely all of us wil lbe doing more than looking for jobs but looking for exits, and killing more terrorists will not erase the climbing debt.


14 posted on 01/03/2012 8:44:38 PM PST by RayTheSpook (`)
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To: RayTheSpook

We didn’t have much debt on September 10, 2001.

The people who want to destroy Israel are the same ones who want to destroy America.


15 posted on 01/03/2012 8:50:07 PM PST by ari-freedom
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To: RayTheSpook

Who cares about Israel? I care about Israel, my I am Jewish, my parents, aunt, and uncles came from Israel in the late 60s. I have family in Israel. Does Israel need our money, absolutely NOT..but when I hear a guy say that Israel should be given to the Arabs(My father fought in the ‘67 war) I say he can kiss my a@@.


16 posted on 01/03/2012 8:51:14 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SmithL

What part of calling them an “Apartheid State” to Iran’s State media is misunderstood?


17 posted on 01/03/2012 8:51:32 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Diogenesis

I’ve seen that picture posted dozens of times, and every time I see it, the uglier that chick looks.


18 posted on 01/03/2012 8:54:09 PM PST by mnehring
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To: SmithL

Rand can’t polish daddy’s turd.


19 posted on 01/03/2012 8:54:17 PM PST by Keith in Iowa (No Mit Sherlock. No Mit, not now, not ever. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: SmithL

“Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul’s views on Israel and Iran have been greatly misunderstood, his son Senator Rand Paul said in a conversation with The Jerusalem Post just hours before Iowans voted in the first caucuses for the GOP nomination Tuesday night. “

No they are not. He’s an anti semite.


20 posted on 01/03/2012 8:55:03 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
. . . he thinks the 1993 world trade center bombing was done by the Mossad . . .

He does? Where did you get that information? I recall a point where he tossed out any number of reasons for that bombing, among those raising the question whether Mossad might have been involved, but his general conclusion was the bombing did not take place without a motive.

The people who planned and committed the offense were foreigners, no? Besides, it is not unheard of for troublemakers to do this little thing called "Reichstag," so tossing out the question is neither intellectually nor historically invalid.

I think if pressed on the matter, Ron Paul would not flat out assert that Mossad planned and executed the bombing. I say that because I've investigated his words and their context, being interested in facts rather than hyperbole. Of course I would be willing to consider differently if there evidence to the contrary on this particular point, namely some occasion where Ron Paul flat out says this is what he thinks. Then it would be up to him to provide the evidence, and that might prove just a tad dangerous, no?

Best to you! I've read lots of your posts and enjoy your feisty defense of what is right and good for the country we are blessed to inhabit. I hope you'll forgive me for checking into Ron Paul's ideas more closely, as on the face of things it has been difficult to find fault with them, despite all the hooting and howling that attends to his mention.

21 posted on 01/03/2012 8:56:11 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: RayTheSpook
"Who cares about Israel..."

we should care becuse Almighty God has made a promise in Genesis 12:1-3 (NASB Emphasis added:

Now the LORD said to Abram, “Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father’s house, To the land which I will show you;

And I will make YOU a GREAT NATION, And I WILL BLESS YOU, And make your name GREAT; And so YOU SHALL BE A BLESSING;

And I WILL BLESS THOSE WHO BLESS YOU, And THE ONE WHO CURSES YOU I W I L L C U R S E. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.”

America had best continue to bless and side with Israel, "the apple of God's eye", otherwise Almighty God will curse us.

17 trillion dollars is nothing to God. He has the power to deliver us should he choose to do so. But given America's bent toward evil, will He is anyone's guess.

22 posted on 01/03/2012 9:00:55 PM PST by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: ari-freedom

Yeah we had less debt but we also spent less per year, but you know go ahead print up more money see how far that will get you and how much less a threat we will face as a result of it.


23 posted on 01/03/2012 9:01:33 PM PST by RayTheSpook (`)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I agree with some of Paul’s economic views, some of them actually make sense, but I cannot vote for someone who hates Israel, just can’t do it. Yes that is exactly what I was referring to, that he would actually come up with the idea that Mossad would target Americans, is beyond insane. I appreciate your posts as well. I just dont think that Paul has any chance in the general election. Even Dick Morris said that Paul is even more far left then Obama(If that is even possible)


24 posted on 01/03/2012 9:03:38 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: SmithL
What part of my solution don't you understand?


25 posted on 01/03/2012 9:06:29 PM PST by garjog
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I hope you watched him tonight. I woudn’t trust that guy to watch my kids let alone run my country.


26 posted on 01/03/2012 9:07:56 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Diogenesis
What the heck is a “Zionist?” I hear that word tossed around in political circles quite a bit. As one who generally finds himself in comportment with Ron Paul's desire for smaller government etc. this is an area where ignorance holds sway on my part.

Here is what I *think* a Zionist is: Someone who will go to any expense/effort to prevent anyone other than a Jew to reside in territories currently defined as the State of Israel. I welcome any correction you or the reader might offer. Suspect there will be some divergence of opinions/defiintions on this one. So what?

As for the girl holding that sign, she looks like she might need some edjamacation, too. Thanks in advance, and regards.

27 posted on 01/03/2012 9:08:28 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I rephrase: watching my kids is much more important than the job Ron Paul is trying out for. I wouldn’t trust him to bag my groceries. The worst part about Ron Paul supporters is that they don’t realize they are voting for Obama.


28 posted on 01/03/2012 9:15:23 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: RayTheSpook
Who cares about Israel when we ARE $17 TRILLION AND COUNTING IN DEBT

At the rate we are spending money, the US will be lucky to have 1 active carrier by the year 2020.

If we do not get our debt under control, we won't be able to help Israel even if we wanted to. In fact, they will probably be helping us, since their military will be larger than ours by then.
29 posted on 01/03/2012 9:19:02 PM PST by microgood
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To: SmithL

“We contained the Soviet Union”...

Sure, with bases and bombers surrounding them. The Ron Paul plan closes most of the foreign bases, right? I like the guy but you can’t have it both ways.


30 posted on 01/03/2012 9:19:37 PM PST by GWConservative ( No PACs electstephens.org)
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To: SmithL
He's just a soul whose intentions are good,
oh Lord, why must he be misunderstood?
31 posted on 01/03/2012 9:21:20 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
. . . that he would actually come up with the idea that Mossad would target Americans.

As I recall, it was someone else who spawned the suggestion, and Ron Paul added it to the mix. Here is a concern: both Israel and the USA are likely under the influence of people beyond our control who use $$$ to get more $$$ by creating chaos. Mob influence reaches high in our country. Big bucks. Mammon. Popularity. Power. I don't think it's much different for Israel. The older I get, the less I trust power in high places, no matter what country they're from. Look how Eric Holder's tenure is panning out. Should we think he's not on the take?

On the face of things Paul is left of Obama, but there is a quintessential difference, namely power vested in the State vs. power vested in the individual. As conservatives we both know this. Ron Paul articulates most clearly what attends to individual liberty and responsibility. It should come as no surprise that, to the extent folks make government their god, they cry out, "KOOK!" when confronted with the legal implications of being responsible for their actions as free individuals. There is a highly legitimate purpose for government as a means to civility and stability, for which we are bound to praise Christ Jesus. But there are also boundaries when it comes to good government, just as we've set up boundaries within which to practice it while we live this short life.

But please do not let this prevent you from carrying on as you were/are. I am happy and proud to have you next to me here, along with a good many who draw back from Ron Paul for reasons of their own.

32 posted on 01/03/2012 9:53:23 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Flightdeck
I rephrase: watching my kids is much more important than the job Ron Paul is trying out for. I wouldn’t trust him to bag my groceries.

If he were the checker, I'd look for another line.

33 posted on 01/03/2012 9:55:36 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: Flightdeck

So glad to hear you love and care for your children. God bless you, and them, your family, and all. May we together enjoy strong, peacable, prosperous, stable, and blessed times in our land.


34 posted on 01/03/2012 9:57:19 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: SmithL

Shove it Rand, we understand completely your father’s feelings about the Jews and Israel...


35 posted on 01/03/2012 10:03:44 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: GWConservative
Sure, with bases and bombers surrounding them.

We've reached the point technologically where that may not be necessary. We've reached the point economically where camping our soliders in 700 places around the world is a kookier notion than Ron Paul who, by the way, knows a little about circumcision.

36 posted on 01/03/2012 10:05:27 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: American Constitutionalist
. . . we understand completely . . .

Speak for yourself, please, unless you happen to be the Almighty. In that case I'll defer and beg your pardon.

37 posted on 01/03/2012 10:09:56 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
" Speak for yourself, please, unless you happen to be the Almighty. In that case I'll defer and beg your pardon. "

What nerve you have " beg my pardon " for understanding Ron Paul's views and feelings about Israel and the Jews ?

Ok, we understand very well Paul's views on Israel...

I am sorry, your not going to make me feel guilty and ashamed for wanting to protect, support, and defend Israel and the Jewish people....
All those who want to destroy Israel and the Jews can go to hell.
38 posted on 01/03/2012 10:16:42 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I was begging your pardon in case I was dealing with someone who completely understands something. Knowing that not to be the case, please allow me to enjoy my sarcasm while you enjoy yours. Or would you like to spread the guilt around instead?


39 posted on 01/03/2012 10:29:50 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: SmithL; All
"Rand Paul: My father is misunderstood on Israel"


40 posted on 01/03/2012 10:37:28 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Fester Chugabrew
" I was begging your pardon in case I was dealing with someone who completely understands something. Knowing that not to be the case, please allow me to enjoy my sarcasm while you enjoy yours. Or would you like to spread the guilt around instead? "

Understand ? what is your point in all this ? to defend someone who has no love for Israel and the Jewish people ?
Ron Paul has made it very clear to many that he has no intentions to help Israel in time of need or defend Israel.. so ? what's your point again ?
41 posted on 01/03/2012 10:38:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

And I assume you know that about 20% of Israel’s population, its citizens with a vote, are Arab.


42 posted on 01/03/2012 10:42:19 PM PST by DB
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To: SmithL

Other headline stories.

Kim Jong-un says my father was greatly misunderstood...


43 posted on 01/03/2012 10:44:03 PM PST by ThomasThomas ( If you can't laugh at your self, I will for you.)
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To: Fester Chugabrew
Here is what I *think* a Zionist is: Someone who will go to any expense/effort to prevent anyone other than a Jew to reside in territories currently defined as the State of Israel. I welcome any correction you or the reader might offer. Suspect there will be some divergence of opinions/defiintions on this one. So what?

If that was correct, the term would only have existed after the creation of the nation state of Israel but it has existed long before that. Its usually used in various ways, but generally its a more politically correct term used to describe jews (usually in a negative connotation).

Famous anti-semetic literature like the "Protocols of the elders of Zion" don't even make references to Israel, and (at the risk of invoking Godwins law), the Nazis used to use the term "ZIonist" quite often, without any reference to a future existence of Israel.

Note, Martin Luther King, described anti-zionism as anti-semetism, he did not draw any other distinctions and saw the 2 as interchangeable terms.

That said, around 1/5 of the Israeli population is not of jewish decent.

44 posted on 01/04/2012 3:53:15 AM PST by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: American Constitutionalist

He seems to be consistent in suggesting we don’t help Isarel’s enemies, either. If I lived in the ghetto and decided to police it, would you gladly lend me some cash for a bazooka, and shed blood for me too?


45 posted on 01/04/2012 4:50:26 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: DB
And I assume you know that about 20% of Israel’s population, its citizens with a vote, are Arab.

I did not know that. Shall I not assume there are those in Israel who will go to any expense/effort to get them out and keep them out, just as there are people in our country who, for whatever reason, hate all Mexicans and want them to leave?

Is Zionism an extreme or not? A poster above says the word brings negative connotations in many/most contexts. Like a sort of name calling.

46 posted on 01/04/2012 5:03:04 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: DB

Took a quick read through your link. Article points to a wide-ranging definition. But says it, “in its broadest sense, has supported the self-determination of the Jewish people in a sovereign Jewish national homeland.”

May I ask what part of meddling on the part of the USA invites self-determination on the part of Isarel?


47 posted on 01/04/2012 5:10:51 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew (let establishment heads explode)
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To: SmithL

I have a feeling Rand is more dangerous as he hides his beliefs better.


48 posted on 01/04/2012 6:44:55 AM PST by PghBaldy (War Powers Res: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

I think the day we cut all aid to Israel, the moslums will crap their pants in fear, knowing that the leash that had held the Israeli Military in Check had also been cut.


49 posted on 01/07/2012 12:35:48 AM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: ari-freedom

“I’m just a soul whose intentions are good....Oh Lord, don’t let me be misunderstood.”


50 posted on 01/07/2012 12:40:54 AM PST by dfwgator
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