Posted on 01/04/2012 4:35:41 PM PST by BigReb555
Thursday, January 19, 2012, is the 205th birthday of General Robert E. Lee, whose memory is still dear in the hearts of people everywhere.
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Nice try. I try not to argue with “experts”. My family was there and Princeton professors cannot re-write it. Try not to mix up party names with political reality. Sort of like McCain endorsing Romney, whom he hates.k
You believe whatever fiction you wish— the Radical Repubs were the reason Lincoln was elected and on his ticket and platform. You like railroads and oligarchs— that’s who they were.
So you’re all for McCain and Romney? More shining examples of republibull.
A traitor?—what a laugh. Do you know anything about this great American? Try peddling that compost at VMI or Washington & Lee. Some people never really learn the truth, nor understand principles or the times-but it is not their fault but a product of liberal academia and media. One wonders what you would say about Lee’s father or family.
Lincoln was one sick puppy, a sad creature of the railroads and northern oligarchs who owned him, with a knack for oratory. He cared nothing about slavery—only as leverage and later. What he cared about was power. Funny how people trot him out today when pulling another fast one providing political cover. And it is as silly as obamalamadingdong channeling Reagan, as he ignores the Constitution.
What "people" and whose "will"? Whose cheating and lying are you talking about? Would that be the political class who had their greedy business interests invested in westward expansion, manifest destiny (to come), native American genocide and puritan progressivism? You know--Massachusetts moderates.
So in that sense, war developed (like all wars) between battling commercial interests, and major differences in Constitutional interpretation and raw political power. When you look at the "winners" the entire country lost-- and some have never forgotten what happened, despite all attempts by the "victors" to rewrite it. Deo Vindice.
better to ignore the handful of trolls.
I’m just surprised it took them so ling to get to this thread and to get their snide remarks in.
If Grant can give respect, If other Generals in the federal army can give respect and if many other soldiers can give respect to Lee back in that day and it was they who did the fighting then one would think some troll on a computer years later could understand about Lee and all the respect he got from the north.
The historical facts are all there for those willing to look, but most unfortunately are informed by the descendants and lackeys of the "victors" who are well positioned with their ignorance.
Here is part of it: The yankee northern industrialists and their "no nothing" nativist supporters specialized and perfected another form of slavery which no Southerner supports any more than the derivational government welfare plantation state preserved and expanded by the Democrat party, Southern and Northern. This is the same Democrat party that screams out "racism" at the drop of the hat. They self righteously cloak themselves in indignation (always in discussions of this sort)while harboring core racism and bigotry, enlisting the help of black political leader/apparatchiks who long ago sold out their culture and people-- with a wink as they continue to wrap our country in chains of perpetual enslavement to the State.
This post Civil War march of progressivism, regardless of party, is how we got to the current presentdent and his Statist, Marxist cronies destroying what is left of the last great hope of freedom in the world.
You want to see the coming real slavery for all of us? Look at the mortgage "adjustment" (using borrowed 1.4 trillion we do not have) enforced by the unconstitutionally appointed Democrat "Czar" of financial "reform" (that would be Cordray from your state- a real piece of work):the redistribution of capital real estate property by our Statist Marxist presentdent. Massive private property seizure, devaluation of real property more frightening than anything this country has ever seen. Cradle to grave obamacare enforced by an irs gestapo and national police. Socialism's true endpoint- theft and enslavement on the stalin model.
Be assured that the same group of "noble cause perverters" (as you call them) are now and will be on the front lines to defeat them in defense of our Constitution.Pray. Deo Vindice.
The concept/belief that the Constitution is outdated and is a "living" document subject to fiat change is part of this. Change that the Constitution provides for by the Amendment process which no progressive wants to follow. That is, they want to circumvent the Constitution- and with the RINOs in Congress they are doing it. Who are the patriots, now? Deo Vindice.
I don’t care about the North versus South issue. The Confederacy did far worse to my Southern ancestors than the North ever did. I wish Southerners would forget the Lost Cause myths long enough to see the abuses and exploitations that ordinary Southerners suffered from the Confederates in their power grab.
The problem was not with people like Lee, Cleburne and the brave reb soldiers. Th big problem was with the foolish and greedy political class who tried to destroy the work of Washington and the other founders in order to set up an empire based on a cornerstone of slavery.
There's a lot of literature on the defects of the secession process. While secession might have been a legitimate expression of the puiblic mood in a few states like South Carolina, in places like Virginia, Georgia and Tennessee it was badly flawed. This contemporary cartoon is a representation of how Virginia was voted out of the Union.
In many areas of the country there was a great degree of lawlessness, and for your family I am sorry. Mine had our entire property stolen-everything; the stock, food stores, seed grain, hams, furnishings, silver, crystal and the home burned to the ground. This was done by regular union soldiers,not bummers or renegades & a commander whose family mercifully died out when he was killed by the defense militia (I say mercifully, because my g-g-g uncle swore he would make certain the man had no descendants). It took some 25 years to start over and recover.
There were many strata of "ordinary" Confederates who suffered- and there were far more pernicious abuses of Confederates in Reconstruction and unneeded divisions that redounded to the poorest of them by the vicious union occupation. Such that Rutherford Hayes was only allowed to be elected by removing the damn troops in the 1877 Compromise.
Might makes right does not change the unconstitutional outcome-my opinion. The assumption that I have some lost cause advocacy (which appears to derive from the "poor man fighting the rich man's war" argument), is quite understandable (though untrue) when viewed through your family's experiences. What upsets me is the current resurgence of this kind of dictatorial central government and presidency- acting without regard to law, as before. Hence, my tagline.
The man took up arms against his own country. He killed fellow Americans, North and South. Lee was no great American.
And I would say either are you.
Ike Pays Tribute to Lee
Stratford, Va, May 4th (INS)
President Eisenhower paid tribute to Robert E. Lee Sunday by declaring the Confederate general and his forebears were men of “vision and courage” needed in the world now.
The Chief Executive spoke briefly at annual ceremonies at Stratford hall, Virginia Mansion where Lee was born.
Mr. Eisenhower said Lee and his ancestor, Thomas Lee, who built Stratford, lived in an economy which was self-contained. He noted this in no longer holds true today and that every American is dependent on other peoples.
Of the Lees, Mr. Eisenhower said: “They were men of vision and courage and they would not have shrunk from the duties that would make America what they wanted it to be.”
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Commerce Secretary Weeks- A New Englander – delivered the formal main speech.
Weeks Said: “Robert E. Lee’s great impact on modern America is his character, probably greater in defeat than it might have been in triumph. Its moral luster continues to influence his countrymen for good long after his death”
I wouldn’t waste time with the usual jackasses here.
History is legion with folks who admired Lee from his adversaries on the field(Grant) to European martial experts (Churchill) and so forth.
These clowns are so hung up on the “negro” aspect of our past they wouldn’t know an Amos and Andy DVD collection if it hit them on the head.
they are barely indistinguishable from regular liberals who think America and by extension Western Civilization are both one big crime against humanity...minorities and women in particular.
So what?
That doesn’t remove the stain of TREASON against the United States from Lee’s career.
The man was a great officer who chose the wrong side and he had to live and die with the decision. The man himself was good enough to realize it. Unfortunately those of you who want to rewrite history do the man injustice by pulling this crap out again and again and again and again adnauseam.
I’m still waiting on ANY OF YOU to actually do something beside post on an internet forum.
Oh, I’m wounded! Oh death where is they sting. Screw you.
Dear Dr. Scott:
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War Between the States the issue of Secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.
General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation.He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his belief in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.
From deep conviction I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s caliber would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.
Such are the reasons that I proudly display the picture of this great American on my office wall.
Sincerely,
Well, I'm glad he at least got right that the Civil War settled the supposed validity of unilateral secession.
If the CSA came into existence again—My bet would be on Herman Cane as the next president of the Confederacy.
Ike won wars. I don’t agree with the man’s opinion of Robert E. Lee. Whats your point? The Stars and Stripes just aren’t good enough for you, are they Reb?
No, it's you who is pathetic and unworthy to be my countrymen.
I really don't care what flag flies, as long as it flies over a republic with the same principles as given/designed by our founders. It could be a John Deere flag, it doesn't matter.
So I’m, ‘’pathetic’’ and ‘’unworthy’’ to be your countrymen’’. Bwahahahaha!! Wow, I sure do get a lot of free parking in your head . You’re a tool.
The only thing you and the Lincoln Coven are worthy of is licking the bottom of the Federal Boot.
Someone wake me up when Central_traitor says something new or useful....I figure I’m going to catch up on ALL of the sleep I’ve missed since my daughter was born nearly 5 years ago.....
Ain’t he the most? “Johnny Reb wannabes, that’s what I call ‘em ‘’Mike’’. I’d love to have a time machine and drop one of these Reb-wannabe’s back in 1861. I’ll guarantee you in fifteen minutes they’ll be screaming like banshees to get the hell out of there!
I wouldn't waste the time either, especially since I read your post on the Woman drives for help after being shot in head thread:
Saturday, January 07, 2012 2:00:05 PM · 8 of 8 wardaddy to Thunderballer
my buddies who shot me in the head once were well mannered enough to actually take me to the Hospital in Greenwood Mississippi afterwards
'Nuff said.
If the south and southerners were so bad why is it that all these people move down here?
Of course their arrogance kicks in down here and tells southerners how they should do thin gs because that is how they did things up north.
One thing which pisses me off.
One of the sexiest accents in this world having traveled and lived in a few countries is the southern accent on a woman and yet some try and loose their accent.
Why.
Who called who "jackasses"?
Because the economy is better, and because old folks like the weather, and because you lost the war 150 years ago, and because you've changed so much in the last 50 years or so.
Nobody's moving South because they think that Jefferson Davis was right.
no one said that did they?
Northerners moving South now or Southerners trying to lose their accents don't have much to do with the rights and wrongs of what happened 150 years ago.
because many down here are just pissed off with those who move down here and spout what is said on here.
So when some southerners read the usual crap then think of those they have met who have moved down here and spout the same.
As for your last line, well you’re right it doesn’t have much to do with it.
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