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Pictured: The teenager shot dead after taking pellet gun to school... posing with 'lethal weapon'
Daily Mail ^ | 01/05/12 | Staff

Posted on 01/05/2012 4:44:11 AM PST by BunnySlippers

This is the teenager shot dead by police for brandishing a pellet gun in the hallway of his school - posing with a friend holding the 'weapon'.

Jaime Gonzalez, 15, was gunned down because he would not lower the gun which officers believed was a loaded pistol.

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He said he heard police run down the hallway and yell 'put the gun down,' before several shots were fired.

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1 posted on 01/05/2012 4:44:20 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers

I had to truncate that title to make it fit. It should read:

Pictured: The teenager shot dead after taking pellet gun to school... posing with friend holding the ‘lethal weapon’


2 posted on 01/05/2012 4:45:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Looks like the real thing. How tragic for everyone involved.


3 posted on 01/05/2012 4:51:12 AM PST by Londo Molari
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To: BunnySlippers
What a cute couple. /sarc

What exactly is the point of the gun in the photo? And does it perhaps say something about the culture problem in America among certain ethnicities? "Here honey, let's take a nice picture of us. And hey, hold this gun." Sheesh!

Reeeeeeed Robin....yummmmm.
4 posted on 01/05/2012 4:51:51 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: BunnySlippers

Looks like he had some kind of back problem. Maybe that drove him to it.


5 posted on 01/05/2012 4:52:17 AM PST by Krankor ( spare time.)
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To: Londo Molari

He won’t do that anymore.


6 posted on 01/05/2012 4:52:56 AM PST by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: ZX12R

Both mother and grandmother said “he wasn’t perfect” but was a “very giving boy”.

The not perfect part gives pause.


7 posted on 01/05/2012 4:53:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Good riddance.


8 posted on 01/05/2012 4:56:36 AM PST by petercooper (2012 - Purge more RINO's.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Less perfect now with that hole in him.


9 posted on 01/05/2012 4:57:53 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: BunnySlippers
The not perfect part gives pause.

Indeed, and that picture really does tell you all you need to know.
10 posted on 01/05/2012 5:00:18 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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“Shortly before the confrontation, Jaime had walked into a classroom and punched a boy in the nose for no apparent reason, Rodriguez said.”

Sounds like he brought the gun to scool to intimidate others.


11 posted on 01/05/2012 5:00:27 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: BunnySlippers
Both mother and grandmother said “he wasn’t perfect” but was a “very giving boy”.

He was very giving..He gave his classmate a punch in the face before he started with the gangsta with a pellet gun routine.

12 posted on 01/05/2012 5:01:03 AM PST by sockmonkey (He's not perfect, but Perry is no wussy boy)
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To: BunnySlippers

Glad to see that this possible drug dealer/laraza soldier/rapist/murderer was taken out EARLY in his career.

flame away.


13 posted on 01/05/2012 5:01:39 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: BunnySlippers

He looks like a wannabe gang member. I suspect an investigation will show this to be more of the same old Hispanic gang related violence.

If not an actual gang member, then at least a kid that wanted to grow up to be one.


14 posted on 01/05/2012 5:01:46 AM PST by helpfulresearcher
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To: BunnySlippers

SO the kid was 15 and in the 8th grade? That right there tells me the kid was an idiot.


15 posted on 01/05/2012 5:01:48 AM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: nuconvert

Play stupid games ya win stupid prizes.


16 posted on 01/05/2012 5:02:07 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: BunnySlippers
He said he heard police run down the hallway and yell 'put the gun down,' before several shots were fired.

Given the photo of the cop at the source webpage, I doubt that lack of bilingual officers was an issue here.

17 posted on 01/05/2012 5:03:10 AM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: BunnySlippers

I’m thinking maybe it isn’t a good idea to point ANY sort of weapon at a cop?


18 posted on 01/05/2012 5:03:25 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: BunnySlippers
Both mother and grandmother said “he wasn’t perfect” but was a “very giving boy”.

Uh-huh. What did the father say?

Oh. Right. Who knows where (or who) the father is.

And the stupid girl in the picture is most likely going to make a few fatherless children herself.

19 posted on 01/05/2012 5:04:16 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Fresh Wind

My mom taught me to put my hands on the steering wheel if the police pull you over. They want to know where your hands are.

I was pulled over by the LAPD for not having a front license plate last year. I notice the policeman insisted on stand way behind the driver’s side window. It was uncomfortable to talk to him.

I’ll bet they stand there so it is difficult to turn around and attack or surprise them.


20 posted on 01/05/2012 5:07:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: diverteach

yup....and when you have a regular 8th grader having to go to school with these “older” kids - it’s a recipe for disaster.
As if the middle school years aren’t hard enough as it is.


21 posted on 01/05/2012 5:08:44 AM PST by Scotswife
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To: Texas Eagle

There is a father who made a statement too. Sounds like both parents knew he had problems ... but want to know why lethal force was used.

Yet both acknowledge that this was the logical outcome.


22 posted on 01/05/2012 5:09:33 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Dusty Road
Play stupid games ya win stupid prizes.

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Yo Quiero Stupid Prize.
23 posted on 01/05/2012 5:09:57 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: BunnySlippers

The cop must be going through hell knowing he had to kill a 15 year old kid, but to find out the kid only had a pellet pistol must really add to the sorrow.

Prayers to this poor cop.


24 posted on 01/05/2012 5:10:06 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: BunnySlippers

Daisy BB gun on left, Beretta Cougar 9mm on right. Almost identical...

25 posted on 01/05/2012 5:11:18 AM PST by Bushbacker1
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To: Londo Molari

How long will it be before the plastic water pistol is banned—es verdad a boy was penalized for eating a piece of pizza in the shape of a pistol and then waving it about. IT is not the guns that are what ails our society —it is the fact we have turned form God— we have chosen as our leaders men who who donot rule in fear of God—we have heaped to ourselves teachers-having itching ears to hear their pleasant talk of a better world if only we follow -the weak Prince- the wicked leader fears an armed populace. A people turned from God are ruled by the strong arm of man -by laws-and by fear.


26 posted on 01/05/2012 5:11:58 AM PST by StonyBurk (ring)
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To: BunnySlippers
There is a father who made a statement too.

Awright, awright. You got me on that one. The odds were in my favor, though.

27 posted on 01/05/2012 5:12:52 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: BunnySlippers

He posed as a wannabe gang banger. He wanted people to think he was an armed bad guy. He succeeded.


28 posted on 01/05/2012 5:14:33 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Picture tells the story. Probably just finished watching “American Me” or “Juice”. Thought he was a badass. Now he’s a badass with a leak.


29 posted on 01/05/2012 5:17:19 AM PST by albie
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To: Texas Eagle

So true.


30 posted on 01/05/2012 5:18:55 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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A child that is introduced to guns, gun safety and marksmanship skills as part of the normal maturation process would never do something so stupid.

Every Boy Scout knows (or at least used to know):
Guns (neither pellet guns nor firearms) are not toys.
You don’t brandish a gun just to appear tough.
You don’t bring a pellet gun to a gun fight.

Once again, the lack of proper upbringing results in tragedy. It’s probably safe to assume this child had no consistent, responsible, law-abiding male role model in his life. It’s also a safe bet that this child never received structured and appropriate training in the responsible use of firearms.

Our society is broken and our future is assured (it’s not a pretty picture). This incident is just one tiny snippet of what is to come.


31 posted on 01/05/2012 5:22:03 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: BunnySlippers

I am a former Chicago P D. That is exactly the way we were trained.


32 posted on 01/05/2012 5:22:48 AM PST by Pit1 (Omama is the chief gun-runner.)
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To: BunnySlippers

In both pictures, he has that thuggish smirk on his face. Yes, 15 and in 8th grade, combined with weapon, history, visible attitude... I feel sorry for the cop, because if that had been a real gun and he’d hurt or killed another student, you know what the outcry would have been. And even a pellet gun, if placed to someone’s temple, can cause serious injury or death.


33 posted on 01/05/2012 5:29:30 AM PST by A_perfect_lady (Anyone opposed to Newt should remember: we're not electing a messiah, we're electing a politician.)
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To: Pit1

“I am a former Chicago P D. That is exactly the way we were trained.”

yeah, agree, no argument here. Readers should keep in mind that the average uniformed police officer will spend his entire career without having to draw his weapon in a high threat situation. So, unless a situation is dealt with by those trained for high stress situations such as the SWAT dudes this is the outcome to be expected.


34 posted on 01/05/2012 5:29:32 AM PST by snoringbear (Government is the Pimp,)
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To: BunnySlippers

15 yr old 8th grader????


35 posted on 01/05/2012 5:32:25 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: BunnySlippers

What bothers me it the grandmother mentioned the stepmom raised him and was “very strict” with him.

How many of us know kids with strict parents who are totally wild away from home/rebellious? I knew plenty of them growing up. Being to strict almost always has the opposite affect of what a parent intends.


36 posted on 01/05/2012 5:34:42 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: BunnySlippers

I thought the grandmother reacted better than most people do in these situations. She accepted that the police were doing their jobs and that the boy had put himself in this situation. She admitted he wasn’t perfect. Her grandson just died, I wouldn’t expect her to trash him.

This kid did something very stupid with fatal results.


37 posted on 01/05/2012 5:35:13 AM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: diverteach

“SO the kid was 15 and in the 8th grade? That right there tells me the kid was an idiot.”

Yup, what I was going to post. My son @ 15 was in 10th grade! Not 8th. How many times did this boy fail? Mommy said he was a “good student’. Well, probably by now since he’d taking the class several times it seems!!!!


38 posted on 01/05/2012 5:36:43 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: ZX12R
Keepin' it real. /s

Guarantee he admired the cartels and if wasn't already employed by them, aspired to be.

39 posted on 01/05/2012 5:38:20 AM PST by liberalh8ter (I don't like what the world has become....)
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To: BunnySlippers
Looks like most semi-autos in any caliber. Toy guns now have the orange tips on them to give police a visual cue as to the mature of the gun. Trained to look for the orange tip, an officer would, having not seen such, move on the the determination that it was a real gun. Failure to drop it when ordered would make the assumption there is intent to use it. IOW, the kid brought this on himself.
40 posted on 01/05/2012 5:38:25 AM PST by dblshot (Insanity: electing the same people over and over and expecting different results.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Also so that if there is anyone in the back seat they cannot get the drop on you.


41 posted on 01/05/2012 5:42:13 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: dblshot

“Toy guns now have the orange tips on them to give police a visual cue as to the mature of the gun. Trained to look for the orange tip, an officer would, having not seen such, move on the the determination that it was a real gun.”

I think that’s a bad idea...orange tips. How long before someone paints an orange tip on a REAL 9MM and the cops hesitate...to their own demise??? If you point anything other than your finger at a cop..IMO that cop can shoot your ass. Period.


42 posted on 01/05/2012 5:42:51 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: snoringbear

Depends on where you work. Years ago we were told that only 10% of us would fire our weapons in defense of ourselves or another. That seemed to be a little high, but many times the weapons came out in response to threats.


43 posted on 01/05/2012 5:43:23 AM PST by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: BunnySlippers

Along the border the drug cartels are recruiting the young 13 and up kids to do their bidding for selling drugs and in many cases just up the river, are hit men for the gangs. There is no room for second guessing when someone is waving a weapon or pointing it at individuals, especially along the border where drug cartels and killing is becoming commonplace. This is one less Democrat that will be voting.


44 posted on 01/05/2012 5:43:45 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: Londo Molari

I would shoot someone who pointed that at me. Especially if I was LE and I had ordered him to put it down.

This may be a “suicide by cop” situation. It happens. Easiest way to die is brandish a gun at LE and refuse to put it down when ordered.


45 posted on 01/05/2012 5:45:49 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

Appears this was suicide by cop. Check out what someone claims this wannabe thug posted on their facebook:

“This was suicide by cop read his posts on his fb months back this kid had issues he made his decision. I feel sorry for his family friends. Just don’t blame the officers for his choice. Of all his friends in FB not one noticed his issues July 7 2011 FB POST “ vali verga medejaron entonse are k me maten eso es verdad” translation I’m screwed they left me I’m going to make them kill me that’s right. Kids if you see any post like that something is wrong. Someone needed to talk to him sadly no one did.”

http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/articles/police-135447-gonzalez-gun.html


46 posted on 01/05/2012 5:46:32 AM PST by sevinufnine (Sevin - "If we do not fight when we know we can win, we'll have to fight when we know we will lose")
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To: BunnySlippers

I have no problem with what this cop did. A pellet gun CAN be a lethal weapon, so the headline is insulting.

This kid will be martyred by the left. But, as someone pointed out, play stupid games win stupid prizes. He was 15 & should’ve known better.


47 posted on 01/05/2012 5:49:55 AM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: dblshot
Toy guns now have the orange tips on them to give police a visual cue as to the mature of the gun. Trained to look for the orange tip, an officer would, having not seen such, move on the the determination that it was a real gun.

The officers still have to be careful. As with all these well-meaning "safety" approaches, the thugs find a way to negate them rather than be deterred. Now they are using black felt-tip markers to bypass that warning sign.

48 posted on 01/05/2012 5:50:41 AM PST by Oatka (ex-navy/army/marine)
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To: nuconvert

Sounds more like suicide by cop. Get them to respond, present an apparent threat.


49 posted on 01/05/2012 5:50:52 AM PST by Oztrich Boy (Whatever happened to that Amy Summerland sailing chick?)
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To: BunnySlippers
Traditional American male teenagers pose with a girlfriend in formal gown holding flowers - not a gun! (Even when raised with guns.)

What should this and a non-PC media tell us about the family and or community this teenager was living in?

What would the PC media be saying if he was from a Tea Party family (not that it would ever happen) and they found such photos?

50 posted on 01/05/2012 5:57:05 AM PST by drpix
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