Skip to comments.Jim Robinson: Taking stock of our dwindling conservative inventory
Posted on 01/05/2012 11:23:02 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Tea party favorite and pro-life conservative Sarah Palin and her family were viciously attacked to the point she chose not to run.
Congressional Tea Party Caucus leader and constitutional pro-life conservative Michele Bachmann had early promise, but I guess came across as too "shrill" and consequently her numbers driven down to the point she exited.
Successful pro-life conservative Texas Governor Perry hit the race at the top but due to missteps and less than stellar debate performances soon fizzled and is now all but gone.
Pro-life conservative businessman Cain and his famous 9-9-9 plan had promise, but was driven out due to indefensible allegations.
Pro-life Reagan Revolution conservative Newt Gingrich reinvigorated his campaign and soared to the top of the national polls, but was unacceptable to the establishment and apparently also unacceptable to the "true conservatives" among us and his numbers are now plummeting
You'd think "unquestionably" pro-life, pro-family conservative Rick Santorum whose recent surge took him to a tie in Iowa and who's now surging in the national polls might be good enough to stand against Romney for the base, but looks like there are "true conservatives" now attacking HIM as not good enough.
Well, drive them all out and who's left?
Huntsman? Who? Moonbat Paul?
Ideas anyone? Should we all continue attacking the conservatives we don't like until we drive them all out?
Personally, I could easily have lived with Palin, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Newt or Santorum and would be proud to enthusiastically support any of them, warts and all. Any one of them is infinitely better than Obama or Romney.
But if we don't land on one soon and raise him up over Romney, guess who we're going to be stuck with? And it ain't going to be pretty. And if abortionist/statist/progressive Romney (or moonbat Paul) is the one, might as well get used to four more years of Obama. I won't vote for or support either one of those two.
I'd suggest that we all stop trying to tear down the other conservative candidates in the race and instead concentrate on trying to build up our own personal favorites. Who knows? May even discover an acceptable conservative (if not a great conservative) in the bunch. We've never had a perfect conservative yet. Not even the magnificent Ronald Reagan. We and they all have warts.
But we do want to have a candidate with at least an actual CONSERVATIVE record and not an out and out liberal progressive RINO. So let's compare their records and their actual conservative accomplishments but not try to destroy them personally.
God bless and may the best CONSERVATIVE be our nominee.
Well, sort of......
I said it was up to the candidates to make their case to us in the next two or three weeks, and then we would need to decide to coalesce behind one, to first defeat Romny, then to defeat the Marxist in chief.
I've been tracking you so you couldn't get my phone number.....
“As soon as a frontrunner is solidified, most Party affiliates will coalesce around him, even most of the former candidates.”
I don’t remember much solidification behind McCain, do you?
“Im probably wrong, hope so.”
Yea, you are so wrong, if you think I’m a troll.
That's what this is all about, in a nutshell. We're going to need some heroic sons-a-bitches, even if they are lowly politicians. Any one of these candidates who goes out in the process of taking Romney out to better the chances of another conservative candidate, will be American heroes.
You have never been accused of that. I stated a fact that is taking place in a whole lot of forums. I did forget to also include Romney is all this. Dirty trickster Romney has sent many in to many forums to disrupt. I was told by a volunteer out of Iowa that Romney operatives pulled lots of dirty deals in caucuses to the point before anyone walked in Romney was the winner. But then we both know Romney is no better than the left.
I'd accept that, or either one with some other choice as VP, though I'd prefer Santorum - Gingrich. I'd rather have the more staid individual in the presidency. Let Santorum govern, and Gingrich be the one to take on the establishment/msm. He has the ability moreso than Santorum.
My turn, sorry Jim but this is exactly what I was talking about before.
Shield, that’s an outright lie. Gingrich’s record is rated over 90% conservative. This is the same BS that the Perry fangirls and PDSers do on every thread that led to FR becoming a warzone and ‘circular firing squad.
Shield, YOU and those following your example are the Conservative’s problem and I suspect that you are the Liberal here to create the dissent.
I rarely see more vitriol on FR than that put forth by 2 anti-Perry bots on pro-Perry threads. Luckily Jim calmly put a stop to it.
I wish you would stop denigrating us.
Oops, sorry for the double post.
WTF are you talking about? We didn't respect Clinton. You've been here a few months and say "we" respected Clinton? You're high. Put down the bong.
I think i'll wait until after SC and FL. Or until Rush quits writing articles saying not to rule out Perry yet, whichever comes first. ;)
It was one caucus. An open one, at that. Any one of the 3 of them would be foolish to bow out based on one open caucus (whose results have already changed) or polls that are run by liberal organizations.
If Perry makes a poor showing in SC he'll have no problem bowing out and backing one of the other two. Patience!
Do you believe that the truth, in contradiction to historical fact, is that Gingrich has no record as Shield stated?
Or should Perry or ANY OTHER supporter be allowed free reign to spread lies?
If you really mean that, you have to include Mitt Romney in that no-go list. He's the same as the other two, but with a slightly different label.
what conceivable reason can he [RPerry] have for continuing on at this point?
Because he lives (and may politically die) by the creed that’s been deeply ingrained in us since we were knee-high to an armadillo: Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad!
It’s stupid; I know. And hard to explain.
Posted this idea on a thread about Perry coming back:
He still has about $3 million or so in his election chest, and can spend it all in SC, where advertising rates are cheap. That’d be a lot of ads attacking Romney maybe?
I know, a politician being altruistic - ridiculous. I just like and respect the guy a lot. I don’t think that is beyond him, especially not in this case
Small side note: Could whoever runs the Santorum ping list add me please.
I’ve not yet decided who to vote for when the CA primary comes around. Perry looked promising, but fizzled as you stated. Cain had much appeal, but was destroyed by the Obozo thuggery machine from Chitcago. Palin . . . still hoping there is a future for her. At this point in time I’m looking at Gingrich and Santorum. Huntsman - NO. Paul - HELL NO! Romney - I prefer not. God, please let our nominee be someone who can rise to the occasion and get this nation back on a positive spiritual and economic track.
I am saying the anti-Perry bots are disgusting and have been deemed by Jim, no less. to be flaunting the rules.
It is that simple.
It is what it is. I’m done.
Ultimately, it is not politically correct to say what is wrong with this country, not anywhere, not even here on FR.
So we are doomed.
There will be stagnation and famine in socialism, or there will be a return to bloody natural law. Neither is something I’ll make it through. Good luck y’all.
I meant here in the geographical sense of Europe, not the FR sense. Sorry for the confusion, it was after midnight after a long work day when I typed that!
It’s odd, I know. Just one of those things.
OK the grandfather did come here by himself in 1923 and then the family joined him a few years later...
From the Pennsylvania website
Mr. Santorum was born in the Trento province of Italy to Maria and Pietro Santorum. Aldo, his mother, older brother Bruno and younger sister Carla moved to the Johnstown area when he was 7 to join his father, who came to the United States five years earlier.
“My grandfather was working in the auto industry but lost his job during the Depression,” Rick Santorum said. “He finally found a job in the coal mines of Western Pennsylvania in 1929 and the family joined him.”
The family lived in a company town called Carpenters Park. “After several years in the mines, the family moved upscale to nearby Tyler Hill,” Santorum said.
Mr. Santorum joined the Army Air Corps in 1942 after high school, serving most of World War II in the South Pacific where his main job was repairing airplanes.
After returning from the war, he earned a psychology degree from St. Francis College in Loretto, a graduate degree from Catholic University in Washington and a doctorate in clinical psychology from the University of Ottawa.
“He then went to work for the Veterans Administration and that is where he met my mom,” Rick Santorum said.
So Ricks Dad was a US veteran...
(and went to school on the old GI Bill...)
But I cant find yet WHEN he became a US citizen...
This was the first time I had ever heard of this.
I went to the site because it was a link from a thread here on Free Republic.
As to Leo Donofrio, I believe he has NO cases at the Supreme Court, and in fact, has said he will never set foot in another Federal courtroom.
There are a lot of weird things happening right now, and it wouldn’t surprise me if a case went to the Supreme Court and the LSM never let out a peep.
I don’t buy that. For all his flaws, and they are substantial, he is no Marxist.
I'm writing what follows not to you, but to Free Republic posters, including myself, who sometimes need to be reminded of the truth of what you've said. I've said similar things for many years but I think it bears repeating — when we post something, think twice before hitting the enter key, and if it's an attack on a fellow conservative, think a third time not only about what we said but why we said it and how the recipient will read it.
There is a certain level of bitterness and viciousness in conservative circles — whether political or ecclesiastical — that severely damages conservative candidates and issues because 1) it focuses our energy on attacking each other rather than defeating the real enemy, namely, liberals, and 2) it drives away moderate conservatives who we need if we're going to reach a 50 percent majority in a general election.
I'm not saying that spirit is totally absent from liberal circles , but it is more of a problem for us conservatives because we take truth seriously. We believe there is such a thing as absolute right and wrong. We believe there are unchangeable moral absolutes. We believe the Constitution is not a living document, but rather that the original intent of the founders and their actual words on paper are supposed to determine the proper interpretation.
For people who believe truth is absolute, the stakes in compromise are not small. Liberals can make compromises to get their nose in the tent; we can't act that way. And sometimes, we get very, very angry when we see others doing what we (correctly) call lying but they see as compromising.
It's Scripture, not the Constitution, but speaking the truth in love is important in civil politics as well as ecclesiastical affairs. I realize true liberals are **NOT** our brothers and we are correctly to regard them as bitter enemies, but when applies to fellow conservatives in church or in state, let's try to remain loving while never forgetting to remain truthful. Neither are optional and both are important.
JimRobinson wrote: “I'd suggest that we all stop trying to tear down the other conservative candidates in the race and instead concentrate on trying to build up our own personal favorites. Who knows? May even discover an acceptable conservative (if not a great conservative) in the bunch. We've never had a perfect conservative yet. Not even the magnificent Ronald Reagan. We and they all have warts. But we do want to have a candidate with at least an actual CONSERVATIVE record and not an out and out liberal progressive RINO. So let's compare their records and their actual conservative accomplishments but not try to destroy them personally.”
Who IS Jim Thompson?
And for anyone on this forum who thinks Ima talkin' out my Obama--BRING IT
H4831 60 grains.
I’m hoping for a Newt Gingrich and Susanna Martinez ticket....Newt is experienced and Gov. Martinez is quite capable while being able to pull in Dems who vote based on ethnicity alone. JMHO
I caved and lost all interest when Cain went down.
I was so excited before then. It’s to the point where I just don’t care anymore. I’ll take anyone who can put Obama out of office.
Yep, I know, I’m a downer but I just have no more enthusiasm.
There are a lot of weird things happening right now, and it wouldnt surprise me if a case went to the Supreme Court and the LSM never let out a peep.
Which is why I was questioning it a bit. It left me scratching my head ( figuratively ) and I even checked the date to see when it was posted ( a week or two ago )lol.
Yes, definitly weird things going on and it also would not surprise me either.
Thanks for the reply FRiend ~
I’d think the Air Force (an Army dept back then?) would ensure he naturalized during his service.
LOL! You are really fuzzy or you aren't a small government conservative...maybe you don't claim to be.
I’m sticking with Newt. I admire Santorum for his courage on social issues (sad commentary on the times in which we live). I’d be fine with him. I was disappointed with Perry in the debates. I was hoping to be wowed. He’s a doer, not a talker, and I don’t have a problem with that, but if he can’t make the case in a debate with his peers, he won’t be able to do it in the general. I would vote for any of the 3 over Romney.
Turns out we have just the guy. AAC, what was the policy in the 40s, 50s for naturalizing an immigrant serviceman while in service?
That was amazing ~
Re Santorum being in second place nationally...
We haven’t had a debate in awhile. Let’s see what the polls show after the next debate or two. Debates are Gingrich’s strength, and now that he plans to take the gloves off regarding Romney, the next couple debates should be interesting, and we’ll see how that plays out in the subsequent polls.
Personally, I think we need a Pit Bull in the White House. That’s Newt.
As usual I’m late to the party...
What I’ve been wondering aloud for awhile is:
1) We don’t get a conservative to take out Romney in the primaries (not that we don’t or won’t try)
2) Having seen what a 3rd party does when rebelling against RINOism (Perot ‘92, I did it)
3) Do we do it again, in hopes of forever teaching the GOP a lesson, while trying to take the Senate and hold the House?
4) Or do we sit out the top of the ticket?
I’m ready to fall on my sword once again and go third party....
Or a pitbull with lipstick but I don't think that's going to happen. :)
You have no idea what a huge breath of fresh air this was for me to read. I appreciate your posting it as well.
For many many times I have started out a smart alec response to you on the Perry threads and then I read them and hit my back button instead of posting.
I LIKE you Naps but I was begining to really NOT like you on the Perry threads.
Thank you for your post.
It really would be nice for some people here to refresh their memories on Santorum. It was no mistake that he lost his last election by 18%.
I don't like that he owns a home and lives in VA but still claims PA as his residence...and took money from the PA school district to school his children who lived in VA. He was sued by the PA school district! IMO, that is a typical politician!
Santorum is better than Mitt.
Well, Santorum is a hell of a man and candidate. I’d prefer Sarah Palin myself, but this guy is a tireless whirlwind, and a solid conservative. He fights relentlessly for what’s right. Bob
Please do and then read his memoirs when you get a chance. His life story is incredible and is probably nothing close to what you imagine.
If his father Pietro was naturalized while Aldo was stil a minor
he would have been included with his father...
I think Ricks dad would have been an American citizen BEFORE he was born...
While the still dead Barak Obama (Sr) is not yet...
and we dont know about George Romney...
**Should we all continue attacking the conservatives we don’t like until we drive them all out?**
No, but do keep pointing out their strong points and how they all could work together in a strong Republican nucleus in the U. S. A.
I said that three months ago. It was the only thing I could see that would beat Obama and REPRESENT us!
I was rude to a lot of people this primary season and saw myself getting really angry. It was sorta psychotic in a way. Reading Jim’s thread, I recognized some behavior in myself that I really didn’t like. I lost the vision of what this primary was about. I forgot that Romney and Obama are the enemy and not Governor Perry and even more so Governor Perry’s supporters. So although, I would have come to this conclusion on my own eventually, you can blame Jim for it happening so quickly. :-) I have seen this written a few times tonight and I really, really like it.....”Go Perry, Go Newt, Go Santorum!” Because quite frankly all of us will get behind of these good folks in the end. Thank you so much for your post.
Soory but I don’t want romneycare any more than I want obamacare.
Who is Buddy Roemer?