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Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM (ET) | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW

KEENE, N.H. (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Friday for immediate cuts to Social Security benefits, risking the wrath of older voters and countless others who balk at changes to the entitlement program.

"We can't wait 10 years," even though "everybody wants to," Santorum told a crowd while campaigning in New Hampshire and looking to set himself apart from his Republican rivals four days before the New Hampshire primary.

Most of his opponents have advocated phasing in a reduction and say immediate cuts would be too big a shock to current and soon-to-be retirees.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greed; planners; police; santorum; socialism; socialsecurity; teachers
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Here come the cries of cruel Republicans cutting Social Security. He couldn't have thought this through. There are seniors that lost their investments because of Obama and now he wants to make cuts? Some of these people have paid into it all their lives. The answer is to privatize. And get the economy going again. Don't cut SS, cut GOVERNMENT.
1 posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:14 PM PST by DJ MacWoW
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To: DJ MacWoW

And the devil is always in the details....we need specifics for a true analysis


2 posted on 01/06/2012 6:41:53 PM PST by Nifster
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To: DJ MacWoW

Cut out all the fraudulent disability claims, especially Ritalin medicated kids and all new immigrants.


3 posted on 01/06/2012 6:41:57 PM PST by mommyq
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To: DJ MacWoW

This is an example of why he lost re-election of his home state by 20 points.

He is an idiot.


4 posted on 01/06/2012 6:42:04 PM PST by CGalen
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To: DJ MacWoW

He is support taffis and voting agaisnt Nafta was going to hurt him in florida, this will finish him off..


5 posted on 01/06/2012 6:43:20 PM PST by Paul8148
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To: mommyq

Absolutely right.


6 posted on 01/06/2012 6:43:33 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Social Security is NOT the problem.

Government borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund IS the problem.

Santorum needs to run on fixing the problem, not penalizing those who paid in to the Trust Fund for decades.

Sorry, Rick, but you are wrong on this one.


7 posted on 01/06/2012 6:43:44 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: TomGuy

I absolutely agree.


8 posted on 01/06/2012 6:45:01 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yeah, that’s going to play well in Florida and other retirement states. Dumb.

I’ll take Rick Perry’s calling SS a Ponzi scheme and calling for reforms that won’t affect those who have already paid and paid into it.


9 posted on 01/06/2012 6:47:15 PM PST by varina davis (We grow too soon old and too late smart -- Pennsylvania Dutch adage)
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To: DJ MacWoW

10 posted on 01/06/2012 6:47:21 PM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

He might as well hang it up now!


11 posted on 01/06/2012 6:48:00 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Every part of the government budget needs to be cut, Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare included.

And if a senior lost money in the stock market, it is no one’s fault but their own.


12 posted on 01/06/2012 6:48:28 PM PST by trumandogz (Rick Perry Scored 10% on the Iowa Test.)
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To: CGalen
He is an idiot.

Of course he is, even though his philosophy isn't far off the mark. Reminds me of the time, back in the early '70s, when I took a job as a Kirby vacuum cleaner salesman. "There are two things we never say," said the boss, while initiating me into the mysteries of salesmanship. "One is sales. The other is vacuum cleaner."

"Why?" I asked.

"Because!" he replied, incredulously, "that's what we do!"

13 posted on 01/06/2012 6:48:35 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: trumandogz
And if a senior lost money in the stock market, it is no one’s fault but their own.

Their? Then they can at least blame each other!

14 posted on 01/06/2012 6:50:15 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: trumandogz
Social Security needs to be reformed, yes. But we need to CUT the size and control of government. Defund the EPA and Health, Education and Welfare. Cut government.
15 posted on 01/06/2012 6:52:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Removing illegals, druggies, and drunks would be a great start.


16 posted on 01/06/2012 6:53:32 PM PST by Randy Larsen (I'm backing Newt!)
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To: CGalen

I believe you are right.

Place his campaign on a suicide watch.


17 posted on 01/06/2012 6:53:48 PM PST by Venturer
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To: DJ MacWoW

Wow. I just posted on our FReepathon thread that Romney wasn’t going to attack Santorum -— he was just going to let him do himself in.

Good start, Santorum.

TMI and wrong timing.

The so-called “tax cut” was a cut in payments to Social Security. DUH.

Social Security is not the problem. Governent spending is and other such entitlement spending!


18 posted on 01/06/2012 6:55:59 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Wow. I just posted on our FReepathon thread that Romney wasn’t going to attack Santorum -— he was just going to let him do himself in.

Good start, Santorum.

TMI and wrong timing.

The so-called “tax cut” was a cut in payments to Social Security. DUH.

Social Security is not the problem. Governent spending is and other such entitlement spending!


19 posted on 01/06/2012 6:55:59 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: CGalen

He’ll get a book deal out of this campaign: “How to lose a campaign for POTUS”.


20 posted on 01/06/2012 6:56:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Randy Larsen

Yup!


21 posted on 01/06/2012 6:56:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“Social Security needs to be reformed, yes.”

No, Social Security and Medicare need to be abolished.

But, until then, we need to make deep cuts in Social Security, Medicare and every other aspect of federal spending.

There are no Sacred Cows!


22 posted on 01/06/2012 6:59:00 PM PST by trumandogz (Rick Perry Scored 10% on the Iowa Test.)
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To: CGalen
This is an example of why he lost re-election of his home state by 20 points. He is an idiot.

He's dead in the water. Santorum is a fool.

23 posted on 01/06/2012 6:59:19 PM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: onyx

And now every democrat running for whatever office can claim that the republicans want to cut social security and, for once, not be lying about it, if Santorum is the nominee.


24 posted on 01/06/2012 6:59:53 PM PST by Abby4116
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To: DJ MacWoW

How about cutting foreign aid, benefits for illegal aliens, welfare for layabouts, SS/Medicare/Medicaid fraud and grants for quasi-political orgs like ACORN first?


25 posted on 01/06/2012 7:01:18 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: trumandogz

Yes there ARE sacred cows. That money belongs to the people who paid into SS!


26 posted on 01/06/2012 7:01:37 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Excellent point!


27 posted on 01/06/2012 7:05:40 PM PST by Randy Larsen (I'm backing Newt!)
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To: TigersEye

You’re right. There is so much other garbage that should be cut!


28 posted on 01/06/2012 7:06:07 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

agree as well, 6 months ago I was sure this election would be a cake walk.


29 posted on 01/06/2012 7:07:27 PM PST by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: DJ MacWoW

He is an idiot. Seniors VOTE.
They will not support anybody who wants to cut their SS.
Cut foreign aid.


30 posted on 01/06/2012 7:07:27 PM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

I’m not sure what he actually intends. The problem is NOT with people who have paid into social security all their lives. It’s with people who are getting special bennies without having put all that much in. Illegals, among others, and plenty of welfare cheats.

Personally, I am retired and living largely on social security, AND I PAID FAR MORE INTO IT THAN I’LL EVER GET BACK. And I cannot afford more any cuts in what I am getting.

So, I hope he doesn’t mean cutting those benefits. On the whole, it would be best if we cut out some of the welfare angles and the cheaters—people receiving benefits for 20 years after the supposed recipient is dead.

I would take the article cautiously, because everyone seems to be out to undermine Santorum, so it would be just as well to wait and see what he really wants to do, and not what some AP presstitute says he wants to do.


31 posted on 01/06/2012 7:08:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: TomGuy
It is not possible for the government to not spend any money in any “trust fund” — there is no real trust fund and there never was
32 posted on 01/06/2012 7:08:57 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Randy Larsen

What would he tell people? We took your money and you’re not getting it back?! What the heck is Santorum thinking?


33 posted on 01/06/2012 7:09:27 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
ss IS government
34 posted on 01/06/2012 7:10:06 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: DJ MacWoW

Wow ! Santorum really stepped in it...and, unlike Perry, he wasn’t even wearing his boots !


35 posted on 01/06/2012 7:10:27 PM PST by baysider
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To: onyx
TMI and wrong timing.

Notice how, when politicians get ahead in the polls, they seem to go temporarily stupid. They think they are immune from reality and can say anything they want.

Bachmann did. Perry did. Cain did. Gingrich did. Now Santorum did.
36 posted on 01/06/2012 7:10:42 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: DJ MacWoW

He’s talking gradually over ten years, isn’t he?


37 posted on 01/06/2012 7:10:42 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Sanatorium has just submitted his resignation as a potential VP candidate on whoever’s ticket!


38 posted on 01/06/2012 7:11:57 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: reefdiver

Our country is in desperate straights. I think it makes people panic.


39 posted on 01/06/2012 7:12:25 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“That money belongs to the people who paid into SS!”

If that is the case, write every Social Security recipient a check for the exact amount of money they paid in to Social Security minus the amount of money they have thus far received from Social Security.

Social Security is Socialism.


40 posted on 01/06/2012 7:14:14 PM PST by trumandogz (Rick Perry Scored 10% on the Iowa Test.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Hi Fives in Axelrod’s office. The wascally Wepublicans want grandma to each dog food!


41 posted on 01/06/2012 7:14:32 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
most over 75 already received a better return on ss payments than those under 50 will ever see -— those under 45 will NEVER get their money back!
42 posted on 01/06/2012 7:15:38 PM PST by Kansas58
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To: Salvation
I don't think so........

Clearly aware of the risks, Santorum argued that everyone must sacrifice now because the nation's "house is on fire" with soaring federal debt. He argued that he is being courageous and honest by telling Americans they can't afford to wait to rein in Social Security's growing costs. And he said he anticipated possible attack ads on his position.

43 posted on 01/06/2012 7:16:12 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Remember, not only did you contribute to Social Security but your employer did too. It totaled 15% of your income before taxes. If you averaged only $30K over your working life, that’s close to $220,500..

If you calculate the future value of $4,500 per year (yours & your employer’s contribution) at a simple 5% (less than what the govt.. pays on the money that it borrows), after 49 years of working you’d have $892,919.98.

If you took out only 3% per year, you’d receive $26,787.60 per year and it would last better than 30 years (until you’re 95 if you retire at age 65) and that’s with no interest paid on that final amount on deposit! If you bought an annuity and it paid 4% per year, you’d have a lifetime income of $2,976.40 per month.

The folks in Washington have pulled off a bigger Ponzi scheme than Bernie Madhoff ever had.

Entitlement my ass, I paid cash for my social security insurance!!!! Just because they borrowed the money, doesn’t make my benefits some kind of charity or handout!!

Congressional benefits —— free healthcare, outrageous retirement packages, 67 paid holidays, three weeks paid vacation, unlimited paid sick days, now that’s welfare, and they have the nerve to call my social security retirement entitlements?

We’re “broke”!

In the last months we have provided aid to Haiti, Chile , and Turkey And now Pakistan ......home of bin Laden. Literally, BILLIONS of DOLLARS!!!

Our retired seniors living on a ‘fixed income’ receive no aid nor do they get any breaks while our government pours Hundreds of Billions of $$$$$$’s and Tons of Food to Foreign Countries and lazy Americans who have never worked a day in their lives!!!!

They call Social Security and Medicare an entitlement even though most of us have been paying for it all our working lives and now when it’s time for us to collect, the government is running out of money. Why did the government borrow from it in the first place? Imagine if the *GOVERNMENT* gave ‘US’ TAXPAYERS, the same support they give to other countries.


44 posted on 01/06/2012 7:16:30 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: DJ MacWoW

This is called “bait and switch”. People are barely able to get by now, thanks to energy and food prices skyrocketing. The last thing that any elderly person needs to hear is that they may be getting LESS money to make ends meet. To me, this proposal sounds daft. Talk about cutting any government agency, but not SS! Bob


45 posted on 01/06/2012 7:17:25 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Not good.


46 posted on 01/06/2012 7:18:02 PM PST by lahargis (Everyday is independence day)
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To: trumandogz

No one will EVER collect all they’ve paid into SS. Ever.


47 posted on 01/06/2012 7:18:02 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Revolting cat!

That was the first thing that came to mind when I read this.


48 posted on 01/06/2012 7:18:48 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: Kansas58
It is not possible for the government to not spend any money in any “trust fund” — there is no real trust fund and there never was

I remember the 2000 debates with Gore and GWBush debating and claiming they would have a 'lock box' on Social Security.

The GWBush ran in 2004 on reforming Social Security -- only to drop that idea at the first opposition from Congress.

Modern governing:

49 posted on 01/06/2012 7:18:48 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

A candidate can’t tackle all issues in a campaign. Your message must be short and concise. This is incomprehensible. Bob


50 posted on 01/06/2012 7:19:20 PM PST by alstewartfan (27 of 36 of Romney's judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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