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Santorum: Trim Social Security now even if painful
Associated Press ^ | Jan 6, 2012 6:35 PM (ET) | CHARLES BABINGTON

Posted on 01/06/2012 6:38:10 PM PST by DJ MacWoW

KEENE, N.H. (AP) - Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum called Friday for immediate cuts to Social Security benefits, risking the wrath of older voters and countless others who balk at changes to the entitlement program.

"We can't wait 10 years," even though "everybody wants to," Santorum told a crowd while campaigning in New Hampshire and looking to set himself apart from his Republican rivals four days before the New Hampshire primary.

Most of his opponents have advocated phasing in a reduction and say immediate cuts would be too big a shock to current and soon-to-be retirees.

(Excerpt) Read more at apnews.myway.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: greed; planners; police; santorum; socialism; socialsecurity; teachers
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To: Shyla

When there are 3.3 workers per retiree, it’s an entitlement....if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.


251 posted on 01/06/2012 9:37:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Girlene

The Social Security “Lockbox” is a figment of the imagination, like Santa Claus and The Easter Bunny.


252 posted on 01/06/2012 9:39:29 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: patriot08

Ain’t it the truth.

There is so much waste and corruption and foreign aid is a pet peeve with me.


253 posted on 01/06/2012 9:39:35 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: Shyla
You work, pay into it, yes you should be able to benefit from it. I have never looked at SS as an entitlement as long as one works and pays into it.

This is psychotic talk. It is tax and goes into the general fund, you aren't "paying into anything" except the socialist maw.

254 posted on 01/06/2012 9:40:29 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

Think I’ll join you.


255 posted on 01/06/2012 9:40:46 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: central_va

Actually, you are correct on so many levels. That I can’t argue. Venting due to govt BS and putting their greedy hands into this till.
Still makes me mad that SS was used for other besides what it was meant for.


256 posted on 01/06/2012 9:42:14 PM PST by Shyla
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To: volunbeer
Have you noticed that “we” are 16 Trillion in debt?

And the $2.6 trillion or so owed to SS is included in the $16 trillion total debt.

257 posted on 01/06/2012 9:42:17 PM PST by Will88
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To: central_va

Remember the old Fram Oil Filter commercial, “You Can Pay Me Now, or You Can Pay Me Later.”

What people don’t realize is that eventually there will be no choice, SS will have to be cut, and it will be even more painful, than if we start taking some prudent steps now.

But if people are too stupid to realize that, well then, as they say, we get the government we deserve.


258 posted on 01/06/2012 9:43:40 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: volunbeer

“There is no trust fund! There is nothing... it’s a ponzi scheme that is administered by fools. Don’t worry though, I expect our politicians to completely destroy our currency and economy to honor their promises to cut those checks to you.”

There is another answer to this... The federal government (the ones who stole the cash) owns hundreds of trillions in real estate assets. Liquidate part of it to pay the people what they owe them.


259 posted on 01/06/2012 9:43:58 PM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: Will88

This thread has been really interesting.

I’ve learned something about some of my fellow freepers and I’m not totally happy about knowing it.

I know part of the attitude was because the people were dead set on Santorum and were attacking social security recipients to defend him.

but, sheesh


260 posted on 01/06/2012 9:44:51 PM PST by altura (Perry 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Your contributions were spent years ago. I am being forced under the boot of the fedgov to pay your bills. I am tired and broke. How about I quit paying. If you want my money, will you come get it or vote for the jackboot thugs to come get me.

I agree there are so many other things that need to be cut first. But if we have to cut SS/mediscrew then do it! Enslaving the future for current is suicide.

This is why we are sooooo screwed. Even freepers will vote to empower the fedgov jackbooted thugs to go steal to get what they think they are owed. Add them to the rest of the entitlement class and its a guaranteed failure of the republic.

261 posted on 01/06/2012 9:50:38 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: altura

It continues to amaze me how most everyone, politicians and just folks, constantly jump on SS, but never say a word about even the even more expensive, basically welfare programs that most recipients never contributed a single tax dollar toward.

They just love to insult people who’ve spent decades paying into SS as well paying income taxes. And I think most of them are ignorant of the fact that Medicaid and Medicare (in that order) are greater future liabilities than SS.


262 posted on 01/06/2012 9:51:18 PM PST by Will88
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To: altura

You’d be surprised the net worth some of these “poor” Freepers who “need” their SSI checks or they will starve to death. Holding it at current levels would kill them.


263 posted on 01/06/2012 9:51:46 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I don’t have a problem with the concept. I merely asked for more detail


264 posted on 01/06/2012 9:52:12 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Free_in_Alabama
. I am being forced under the boot of the fedgov to pay your bills.

NO, you're paying the federal government's bills, the government that took hundreds of thousands for employees and employers over the employees' work lives and spent it before the employees retired.

265 posted on 01/06/2012 9:54:31 PM PST by Will88
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To: DJ MacWoW
I need to quit reading any SS related articles at FR. Its so sad that so many here will agree and vote to enslave future generations.

So very sad. I will not be a slave!!!!!

266 posted on 01/06/2012 9:54:46 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: central_va

So what’s the solution? Let it go broke?


267 posted on 01/06/2012 9:59:54 PM PST by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: volunbeer
Social Security (SS) is not SSI. SSI is a federal welfare scheme for folks without income who can claim that they have no realistic way of supporting themselves. That includes drunks, druggies, people who are old and never paid into SS (which can be done by working under the table exclusively), mental cases, etc. I am not sure but I believe that SSI is taken out of SS funds. If anyone knows better, I concede in advance.

As to the politicians, they will connect a bankrupt Social Security program to the general fund for payment. The Social Security tax is most "regressive" and I have long expected that liberal politicians would ultimately support funding from the general fund. The current ridiculous scheme of shaving about 1/3 of Social Security taxes from employees only by Obozo is the beginning. Rush and Levin have both noted this recently. It drains the system much quicker and creates a future "emergency" in which Congress will just "have to" vote to make the general fund the Social Security lifeline.

BTW, I live on a small Social Security check and I agree with many here that it is not going to be reduced nor are theirs. Give me a look at the annual US budget and I will give you easily enough cuts to keep Social Security and Medicare afloat without harming the nation's defenses or cutting any truly vital programs but my budget would be no fun at all for politicians.

268 posted on 01/06/2012 10:02:03 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club: Burn 'em Bright!!!)
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To: TBP
So what’s the solution? Let it go broke?

We are broke. I am afraid it needs to be block granted to the states and the politics pushed down to the people at the state level. Get the Federal Government out of the retirement business.

269 posted on 01/06/2012 10:03:17 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: deweyfrank

You, my friend, are in your 40’s. You have a long life ahead of you. You can change direction now, knowing that SS might not be around. However, some of us in our late 60’s or older, who were FORCED to pay into this socialist program are living off of it solely. We have no choice. Get a heart, and a brain, and stop being so Obama like. I will pray that my grandchild won’t have to pay into this hideous program. Good luck to you 40 somethings. You won’t get my vote to cut off my lifeline.


Sorry friend.... I am investing in my future. I invest in my future with livestock and improvements to my land instead of buying new cars. I garden instead of golfing and teach my kids to do the same. I spend my money on practical things instead of jewelry and the newest I-Phone. I pay my taxes and try to help others whenever I can. I give to my church and community. I know my neighbors and help them and they help me. I make very good money and I don’t squander it on baseless consumerism. I don’t count on my retirement check or SSI.

I am preparing for the day when that government check won’t buy the food we need. I bought a place that is big enough to support my family, our parents, our brothers and sister’s and their families, and our friends and neighbors. I could be driving a Lexus and playing golf every few days with a smile on my face. Instead, I improve my soil and irrigation after I get home from my 50 hour a week salaried job. I prune and plant fruit trees. We sold our beautiful luxury home and moved into a big home on acreage because it’s obvious to me and should be obvious to everyone reading this thread how this story will end.

I don’t begrudge you or anyone else for collecting what you paid into the system but don’t be angry at me when inflation arrives and that check won’t buy a tank of gas or enough groceries. That is where our government is taking us so we might as well all enjoy the ride with a smile on our face and keep electing politicians that will honor the ponzi scheme promises! As long as we get ours, right?

I am preparing for a life without social security and I know my kids will too. Hopefully, my generation will wake up to the evil scheme that has lulled our nation to sleep. Hopefully we will learn to enjoy the smell of good soil more than a 100 dollar bottle of perfume. I live a good life that is much simpler than it could be and my ultimate goal is to be self-sufficient so that I don’t have to count on the morons that are running this nation into the ground.


270 posted on 01/06/2012 10:04:31 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: DJ MacWoW
Do any of these guys learn from History? Look at Obama. He runs on Hope and Change, gets Elected and THEN he pushes an Agenda.

Santorum, and all the others, have to realize that they have to get Elected to accomplish anything. Ever heard the expression, “too much information”? The public lives off the Headline and the Talking Point. We pay attention, most people don't. That is the reality we face.

The Liberal Media will use this against every other Republican Candidate from now until the end of the Primary Season. Santorum has poisoned the well. Does he not realize, like all of us FReepers, that the Media and the DNC are one in the same?

Like it or not, SS and Medicare are not Entitlements to the people who paid into them. The Politicians added people who never paid in and expanded the purpose of the programs and we are now reaping the idiocy foisted upon us.

When the Pyramid scheme was raking in money, nobody batted an eye. Now everything has changed and it will only get worse. It can only be fixed when you have the power to fix it. Perhaps Rick was getting a little full of himself, who knows?

271 posted on 01/06/2012 10:06:32 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

lol, I just read your tagline. Let’s try to change it for future generations.


272 posted on 01/06/2012 10:07:04 PM PST by Girlene
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To: volunbeer

When government replaced fathers with a paycheck, it destroyed the means of social security that had existed for centuries, extended families taking care of each other, without the need for government assistance.


273 posted on 01/06/2012 10:08:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Girlene
Let’s try to change it for future generations.

After reading this thread, all I can say is, "Good luck with all that."

274 posted on 01/06/2012 10:09:51 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: BlackElk

Once again FRiend, Social Security checks are cut by the same government that is 16 trillion dollars in debt. Social Security payments are paid in dollars. The same dollar that is being weakened by the same politicians who promise to keep giving you the same amount of dollars each month since you paid into the system. The same amount of dollars that will eventually be worth a small percentage of their current value as the government continues to drown in debt and print dollars.

Why can’t more of you see where this all ends? Fine, you will get your check each month but it won’t buy a 1/4 of what it does now. Why leave a nation like this for our children? Why? Too many bought the promises and if you live long enough you will find out that you can’t eat a promise... you can’t stay warm and dry with a promise... you can’t drive a nice car with a tank full of promises.

Sorry FRiend, that is where we are heading. I don’t want to go there but it seems inevitable when even conservatives can’t understand the immoral nature of our government.

Again, it’s all tied together.


275 posted on 01/06/2012 10:11:21 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Will88

I agree!


276 posted on 01/06/2012 10:13:04 PM PST by Shyla
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To: DJ MacWoW

Rick “grit your teeth” Santorum has about as much chance of winning the nomination as my labrador, Hunter, does.
Actually, Hunter would make a good candidate! He’s handsome, smart and knows when to keep his mouth shut.

I’m getting to the point that when any of these candidates opens their mouths, I just hear Charlie Brown’s mother: “Waa Waa Waa”.

We are royally sc**wed, folks. The field looks more and more like the group in Bob Newhart’s psychiatric office.
And you better believe that Axelnuts, Plouffe and Val are fist bumping each other right now.

Shall we move on to the Senate and work on that for a while?
Let me know how the debate is tomorrow night. I’m going to erase messages from my Inboxes instead.


277 posted on 01/06/2012 10:15:40 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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To: Will88
You are correct. It is spent. I, my neighbor and the country are broke. We can keep going for 5 years as is then go bust or make corrections. Many here would choose the 5 years because they paid in. If you want the money, I propose you cut out the middle man and just go and steal it while your neighbor is working.

I know its too hard and well, you paid into it so the fedgov jackboot thugs would steal it for you. No worries. Its coming to an end regardless. Enjoy those pay days.

278 posted on 01/06/2012 10:16:42 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Boston Blackie

Morals...

There should be no benefits allowed for your children either,such as you receiving a tax deduction for your kids or forcing other people to defray your kids education if they attend public school.

YOU SHOULD FEEL THE PAIN - THEY’RE YOUR KIDS!

In case you missed that.....

YOU SHOULD FEEL THE PAIN - THEY’RE YOUR KIDS!


I want my children to take care of themselves, their family, and their community in that order. I pay plenty in property taxes and most of that goes to public schools that my children don’t attend. I pay for medical insurance to keep them healthy. We can afford to eat very well but instead choose to try and eat more modestly and store food from our garden. We give away lots of food from our garden each year.

My wife, a teacher, homeschools my kids and they are all performing very well. I won’t feel any pain because my kids will care for me just as I am planning on caring for my parents. Family is family and I have extra bedrooms.

Government will never replace family or the obligations that I have to care for my family.


279 posted on 01/06/2012 10:17:20 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer
My wife, a teacher, homeschools my kids and they are all performing very well. I won’t feel any pain because my kids will care for me just as I am planning on caring for my parents. Family is family and I have extra bedrooms. Government will never replace family or the obligations that I have to care for my family.

HEAR, HEAR!!!! Kids should be taking care of their elderly parents, even if it means they may have to give up that nice vacation.

280 posted on 01/06/2012 10:20:16 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Mountain Mary

You are totally misreading what is happening. The Establishment is having a hard time seating their “it’s his turn” RINO on the GOP thrown. It is all good. The Prols are fighting back.


281 posted on 01/06/2012 10:21:19 PM PST by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: dfwgator

When government replaced fathers with a paycheck, it destroyed the means of social security that had existed for centuries, extended families taking care of each other, without the need for government assistance.


Amen! Social security is no replacement for families that love one another!


282 posted on 01/06/2012 10:21:34 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: dfwgator
After reading this thread, all I can say is, "Good luck with all that."

We have to start somewhere. I understand a lot of the points made by posters on this thread. But we can't ignore reality. I look at the pie charts on what's going out vs. what's coming in to the federal budget. There isn't enough money to fund all the "promises" made to this generation, to past generations, to future generations. It's no different than unfunded pensions/insurance promises that took GM down.

and now we're paying for them, as well.


283 posted on 01/06/2012 10:23:41 PM PST by Girlene
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To: volunbeer
I am you and you are me. I will gladly live, fight and grow in a republic with you. Our stories sound the same. I have the chickens, trees, garden, and the pasture will be ready by the fall. I have my piece of paradise and it can't take care of family and friends if need be.

Hope you and your family enjoy the hard work because soon we both will be living of the fruit of today's labor. It won't come from a transfer payment from young to old via the fedgov. God bless and good weather to you.

284 posted on 01/06/2012 10:24:59 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: dfwgator

“Replaced fathers with a paycheck”. I have to remember that
On so many sad levels, too true.


285 posted on 01/06/2012 10:25:15 PM PST by Shyla
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To: babygene

There is another answer to this... The federal government (the ones who stole the cash) owns hundreds of trillions in real estate assets. Liquidate part of it to pay the people what they owe them.


It will probably come to this FRiend. What happens after we no longer have assets? The fundamental problem requires a solution that too few would support. We are addicted to comfort and expect the government to deliver it.

They will keep printing the dollars to fulfill the promise and we will spiral ever downward until everyone is equally poor and dependent on the government.


286 posted on 01/06/2012 10:25:27 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: volunbeer

I have tried to instill into my kids the concept of maximizing wealth for the extended family, and not just of their own individual household.

The goal is to have maximum wealth throughout the entire clan, so we will help the kids buying their first house, because in the long-run, it maximizes the overall wealth by lowering the amount of interest paid on the house. In return, my expectation is that our kids will assist us in our later years, besides by having live-in babysitters for their kids, it cuts down on those costs as well. More families need to start taking this approach, it is quickly becoming an economic necessity.


287 posted on 01/06/2012 10:26:21 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Girlene

I fear we are too late. 85% will chose to ride the ship down because they paid the price of the ticket.


288 posted on 01/06/2012 10:27:37 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: Girlene

I fear we are too late. 85% will chose to ride the ship down because they paid the price of the ticket.


289 posted on 01/06/2012 10:27:46 PM PST by Free_in_Alabama (The average citizen is too lazy to steal from you, instead they are asking the government to do it)
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To: volunbeer
The Gubmint already spent the $300,000 (or more) they took from me to fund SS and Medicare.

I'm in my late 50’s and dealing with Leukemia, so getting at least one $1500 check before I kick the bucket is just a matter of principle to me. 62 was the minimum magic number that my Oncologist gave me when I was diagnosed, though I'm hoping to hit the outside number of 67 before I check out.

I have no hope of getting a fraction of the money that was “invested” by the Gubmint during my last 40 years of labor, but I continue to work and contribute like my fellow Comrades in Obamaville.

After all, it was Queen Moochelle who famously said that Barack expected us to work. Just doing my part for the Dear Leader and his legacy doncha know.

290 posted on 01/06/2012 10:29:32 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: Free_in_Alabama

There is a concept in financial accounting called “Sunk Cost”, so many times bad projects happen because the rationale is that we’ve already sunk so much money into this project, when in fact, when deciding whether or not to continue the project, one should not factor in at all those costs that are already “sunk.” The only thing which should be considered are the future costs.


291 posted on 01/06/2012 10:30:55 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Free_in_Alabama

lol, it is far easier.


292 posted on 01/06/2012 10:33:13 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene
We have to start somewhere.

Just look at how much hemming and hawing occur, when a Republican merely suggests reducing the rate of spending increases, which liberals would refer to as a "spending cut."

293 posted on 01/06/2012 10:34:39 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
You are ahead of the curve my FRiend.

Too bad LBJ didn't think the way you do. We would have been a better Country for it.

294 posted on 01/06/2012 10:34:56 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Liberals, Useful Idiots Voting for Useless Idiots...)
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To: central_va
Newsflash, it wasn't invested. It was spent. It is gone. FACE REALITY.

That's funny, my Mom still gets her check every month. If she didn't that would be it for both of us.

295 posted on 01/06/2012 10:34:57 PM PST by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kickass Conservative

God Bless you FRiend. We are all born terminal and I hope you live out the rest of your days with your chin held high and an eye on what comes after!


296 posted on 01/06/2012 10:37:34 PM PST by volunbeer (Keep the dope, we'll make the change in 2012!)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Sorry to hear about your diagnosis, Kickass Conservative. Regardless of the conversation on this thread, I am hoping you have many years before you check out.


297 posted on 01/06/2012 10:37:38 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Kickass Conservative

LBJ knew exactly what he was doing, the liberals knew breaking up the traditional nuclear family would increase their power.


298 posted on 01/06/2012 10:37:57 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

“The Social Security “Lockbox” is a figment of the imagination, like Santa Claus and The Easter Bunny.”

It wasn’t until Newt dreamed up the idea of raiding the Social Security Trust Fund to balance the budget under President Clinton, unfortunately.

Equally disappointing is the fact that Santorum voted to raid the fund again in April of 2000 to pay down the debt.


299 posted on 01/06/2012 10:38:25 PM PST by baysider
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To: central_va

That would be “throne”, central!

And Establishment or not, I believe that it’s going to be Mittens.
The Romney folks/media/Demorats/other Republicans/pundits..whomever.. have done an effective job of instilling in people’s minds the idea that only he can defeat Bam and that he is going to win the presidency with the independents/moderates votes.

Even El Rushbo seems to be off his game lately and out of sorts.
I think it’s because he is worried that:
A. He might be wrong about Hussein being 100% defeatable.
B. A core conservative, having the best chance to beat him, will not be his opponent this time around.

If Romney wins, we can hope that he picks a Conservative VP and appoints Conservative justices during his first term. SIGH.

Otherwise, these next two debates are irrelevant.
And the drones aren’t watching anyway.
Pray for our Republic.


300 posted on 01/06/2012 10:40:02 PM PST by Mountain Mary (Awaken Oh America...)
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