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Hardening Your Home Against Home Invasions (Vanity)
FR ^ | Jan. 9, 2012 | FR

Posted on 01/09/2012 3:23:41 PM PST by fightinJAG

If you missed this thread of a few days ago on a 14-year-old boy shooting an intruder in N.C., or if you didn't see all the responses, it's definitely worth checking out. The thread is also linked at the "read more" button below.

On that thread, I asked for freepers' thoughts on whether there were things that made some homes more vulnerable to home invasion than others. (It seems like it would be obvious that a more rural or remote home would be more vulnerable, but news reports in my area do not substantiate that assumption at all. Homes in crowded suburban neighbors get hit, too.)

Also, it's clear that, for various reasons, not every person in a household is going to be able to use a gun, even if one is available. I asked about ideas and discussion on ways that might deter invasions in the first place, although it goes without saying that nothing is foolproof and no one wants to live in a total fortress environment.

A poster suggested I make my questions into a stand-alone thread, and I decided to do so. Reading reports of several local home invasions in today's news, as well as a rash of "smash and grab" buglaries, had nothing to do with reminding me of the topic. Right.

So, yes, we know about guns and dogs (and tips regarding those are always still welcome). But what other things might be unobtrusively effective in deterring home invasions or allowing them to have a "happy" ending (dead perp)?

In the comments on our local crime stories, I saw that some people were using baby monitors to be alerted to noises around their back doors, etc. Thus, allowing them more time to investigate or prepare if a break-in developed.

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To: fightinJAG

This is cheap and useful, It is a security alarm that calls several phone numbers (like your cell) when the alarm is tripped but allows you 30 seconds to turn it off when you get home.... http://www.amazon.com/Security-Burglar-Alarm-System-Dialer/dp/B000SMM1DY/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1324613281&sr=1-1


101 posted on 01/09/2012 8:22:10 PM PST by djone
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To: 21twelve
“Nothing back here is worth losing your life for.”

lol. Perfect.

102 posted on 01/09/2012 8:27:07 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: AlmaKing

You nailed it. I am a stupid ahole. I’ve told people for years that I’m an ahole. When the kids wanted something and they asked why they couldn’t have it or do it. I always told them it was because I’m an ahole. They never once argued with me that I wasn’t. Neither has anyone else.

Add the stupid part and you get the whole picture. I’m a stupid, crazy, ahole.


103 posted on 01/09/2012 8:38:32 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: fightinJAG

“I posted about the wasp spray before reading your post. Had a friend who swore by having a can in the car at all times.”

Oops, missed your post. Being a backyard mechanic, I have spritzed my eyes with all kinds of nasty brake or carb cleaner & etc. and it it is not fun! The good part about the bug spray is the distance. It may not hurt immediately like pepper spray, but just yell something about “Hydrocarbons, insecticide, blindness, etc.”.


104 posted on 01/09/2012 8:55:18 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: D-fendr
If you mount the nets on the insides of exterior doors and windows they will prevent quick entry. They are not easy to cut through which gives you valuable time to perforate the incoming democrats.

These are available at cheaperthandirt.com for about $30.

105 posted on 01/09/2012 8:56:42 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: meatloaf

LOL!


106 posted on 01/09/2012 8:57:53 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: fightinJAG
...he kept a bottle of — well, I’ll have to describe it — one of those bottles of spray that you shoot up about 20 feet onto your gutter or somewhere like that to kill wasp nests.

We have keychain containers of capsaisin - enough to give me time to exit quickly in the event of necessity. At home we have containers (large) of bear spray that we take on hikes in our area, but are handy enough to grab quickly in the event we can't make it to our "equalizers." We've already had someone knock on our door at 10:00 PM (and no one was visible at the door). We live rural and police take time to get here. We're not about to be "defenseless."

107 posted on 01/09/2012 9:00:56 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Mortrey

We and our next door neighbor have put up trip wires in the backyards using monofilament line. We live in Gwinnett County which is illegal alien central and they are always running through people’s yards in the middle of the night. We also put up a woodpile that runs down one side of our yard and is about 3-4 ft tall. You can’t see it in the dark and we have had a bunch of them run full tilt into it. That has got to be brutal. Sometimes they hit it so hard that part of the top of it is tilted forward.

Our neighbor put a trail cam outside the house and got pics of illegals coming right up to his back door and out in the yard trying to steal some metal he had piled up.

I have been trying to get the other half to rig up a 12 volt battery with a wire and an alligator clip to the front door knob. We just had somebody sneaking around on the front porch the other night. I would have loved to light that guy up. The dog started barking at the front window and ran him off. If they should get in the house we will just shoot them but I’d just as soon not have to.

Long story short all this is going on and we have not even had the crash yet. So you can imagine what will transpire when it all unravels. The best thing to do is get thee to the country. That is what we are in the process of doing.


108 posted on 01/09/2012 9:09:36 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SENTINEL

I’ll research this, it would seem how you install them would be important.

Something cheap and helpful is the way to go for me. I really appreciate your post and reply.


109 posted on 01/09/2012 9:18:31 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: fightinJAG

BFL


110 posted on 01/09/2012 9:19:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Wow. Until you can move, you may want to try the “I’m an ahole - don’t mess with me” approach that others have described. I would be tempted to hook up a few outside speakers and find some good audio files of automatic weapons fire and a ferocious dog barking. Randomly play them at different hours of the night for a few weeks. If nothing else, it would have good entertainment value. ;)

And you could try the empty beer cans + empty ammo boxes in the the back yard, too. Good luck to you.


111 posted on 01/09/2012 9:21:10 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: fightinJAG

Bump for an great thread.


112 posted on 01/09/2012 9:28:18 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: meatloaf; AlmaKing

Sadly Meatloaf, there are true idiots and aholes out there. And they don’t care if you are protecting your rights and property. Although down in the thread it talks about how the weed control guy DOES (”legally”) have right to access your property - at least in Washington State.

And of course anyone that DOES try to protect their property will get painted by the media as some nut. (Or an idiot and/or ahole.)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2264926/posts

VERLOT, Washington State — The Snohomish County Medical Examiner on Tuesday identified Daniel L. Wasilchen as the man killed by deputies Friday night.

Wasilchen, 44, died from multiple gunshot wounds to his torso, the medical examiner said. His death was ruled a homicide.

The shooting apparently was linked to a disagreement over removal of noxious weeds on Wasilchen’s property.

The county’s noxious weed coordinator reportedly was going door-to-door Friday seeking homeowner permission to use an herbicide.

Wasilchen became confrontational and threatened to get a gun, officials said. The weed coordinator called 911.


113 posted on 01/09/2012 9:30:52 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Repeal The 17th
they might steal my TV and VCR...

Don't worry. Once they find out that you still have a VCR, nobody will want to break in. :-)

-PJ

114 posted on 01/09/2012 9:42:02 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: fightinJAG

ping


115 posted on 01/09/2012 9:51:25 PM PST by betsyross60
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To: MamaDearest
"At home we have containers (large) of bear spray that we take on hikes in our area, but are handy enough to grab quickly in the event we can't make it to our "equalizers.""

And do you have the little bells that you can wear, so that the bears can hear you coming?

116 posted on 01/09/2012 10:12:54 PM PST by matthew fuller ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"I have been trying to get the other half to rig up a 12 volt battery with a wire and an alligator clip to the front door knob."

Sorry to bust your bubble, but that is totally worthless. Unless you put your tongue on it, you won't feel 12 volts.

117 posted on 01/09/2012 10:17:51 PM PST by matthew fuller ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: misanthrope
Check out the “Terminator” pepper spray booby trap!!

The cheap version of that is an open bottle of bleach tied to an open bottle of ammonia with a tripwire.

118 posted on 01/09/2012 10:27:33 PM PST by Stegall Tx (Living off your tax dollars can be kinda fun, but not terribly profitable.)
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MARK


119 posted on 01/09/2012 11:25:39 PM PST by JDoutrider
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To: fightinJAG

I’ve seen monitors with a light on them and I think they make one with motion detector for sleepwalkers too.
Small dogs have a place if you can stand them, remember to hook dog kennels (if you have them) to alarm system if you lock them up, hit the panic button and it releases the Gates.
Finally before buying or renting a property check out it’s history;drug dealing, domestic violence, abandoned,richest guy in town, lets you know of possible threats. Most of our local home invasions recently have been former drug dealer homes or victims that were once in the trade.
Remember someone gets out of jail and may not have up to date street knowledge, so goes to old haunts.


120 posted on 01/10/2012 1:00:25 AM PST by Redak
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To: fightinJAG

Yeah, I heard about wasp spray several months ago, so keep a can by the front door now. Won’t kill anyone, but will throw him off his game!!

JC


121 posted on 01/10/2012 1:46:40 AM PST by cracker45
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To: meatloaf

You guys used to be married to each other or somethin’ like that??? HAW

JC


122 posted on 01/10/2012 1:56:24 AM PST by cracker45
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Sounds like Imperial Beach or Chula Vista, CA 35 years ago! It was like a locust invasion every night what with the illegals running north. I lost a nice S&W .357 there, but I think the crooked cop living across the street stole it. Glad to move away!

JC


123 posted on 01/10/2012 2:03:44 AM PST by cracker45
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To: D-fendr

Yes, you would need some sort of quick releases to be able to escape in case of fire; the perps trying to break in wouldn’t know about that>

JC


124 posted on 01/10/2012 2:07:26 AM PST by cracker45
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To: 21twelve

So the cops shot him over weeds on his property?? Sounds like WA state to me!

JC


125 posted on 01/10/2012 2:18:49 AM PST by cracker45
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To: SteveAustin

Glass Block.


126 posted on 01/10/2012 2:49:28 AM PST by LZ_Bayonet ( I AM THE TEA PARTY LEADER !)
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To: fightinJAG

Frame and then hang on your front porch a target from a shooting range showing a cluster of hits within the bullseye.


127 posted on 01/10/2012 3:04:20 AM PST by monocle
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To: fightinJAG

Great comments, I’m coming in late but here’s one that I think is worth passing on. Despite your best efforts, invaders may get the jump and force a breach. They may even have a family member hostage by the time you respond. For example, they jumped your young daughter in the open garage bay, and forced themselves inside through the unlocked inner garage to house door, typically into the kitchen or laundry room. So your first inkling of a problem is not only a home invader, but a home invader behind and clutching a terrified hostage.

Which leads me to one of my little secrets. Knives are not as good a pistols, but an 8” serrated “Ginsu” type carving knife is a fearsome close-quarters combat weapon, and they are cheap to buy. You can get a six pack of razor-sharp steak knives for almost nothing. These can be left concealed but within reach in strategic spots, such as on top of a refrigerator, taped under a cabinet, between a mattress and box spring grip out, etc etc etc. You are limited only by your imagination.

The key is to place them where you can grab them only by feel. For example, at the angle between the fridge top and a cabinet extending alongside and above it. You hand sweeps down into that “V” and finds the grip, sight unseen.

Why does this matter? If your home invaders must deal with captives, they will likely herd them someplace so one guy can guard them while others search the house. If the guard’s attention is diverted for even a moment, and a moment later you have a totally unexpected 8” serrated Ginsu carving knife in your hand, you have a good chance of executing a crippling or killing strike at that moment. Or, you might be able to palm a knife, and conceal it inside your belt or elsewhere, until the guard turns his back for a moment.

The point being, super-sharp knives are cheap but deadly weapons, and you know your house and where they are hidden.


128 posted on 01/10/2012 5:23:21 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: piytar

Motion sensor lights in addition to exterior lights are also effective. Lights that are unchanging may present certain shadow zone approaches, especially around shrubbery. A sensor-activated light going on makes a house too twitchy to approach. I have several, and use them randomly. Sometimes they “false alarm” on windy nights, but I don’t care. A house with lots of spotlights seen to be going off periodically is one that burglars will avoid. They don’t know when or where they will trip a light off.

Of course, if nobody inside is paying attention, invaders can make a close approach in plenty of time to force an entrance. If they have already decided to pull an armed, violent home invasion, lights won’t matter. Mainly, they discourage sneak thieves and burglars, not invaders who are already psyched up to do major violence.


129 posted on 01/10/2012 5:35:01 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: meatloaf

Along with random shots at night, a billion candlepower portable spotlight is also fun. One can suddenly go on at any time or place on a property, lighting up those acres like a battleship’s light. THen off. Then on somewhere else. Makes people think the property should be stayed off, unless they want to be looking at the sun, with a shotgun behind the sun.


130 posted on 01/10/2012 5:39:43 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Repeal The 17th; meatloaf; packrat35; Squantos; CodeToad; Black Agnes; Joe Brower; hiredhand; ...
...Develop a reputation of a “crazy” person that no one wants to deal with..."

Some of us don't have to develop such a rep; it came pre-wired.

Backyard knife-throwing targets? Naturally.

131 posted on 01/10/2012 5:45:52 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: trisham; Molon Labbie

Yes, don’t open the door to strangers! An amazing number of home invasions use a pretext or ruse to get the victim to willingly open the door. Sometimes dirtbags will even send their loser girlfriend with some tale of woe. Don’t fall for it! The dirtbags might be a few steps around the corner, just waiting.


132 posted on 01/10/2012 5:49:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: fightinJAG

Small dogs are great, especially if they are trained (or it comes natural) to always alert anytime anybody approaches the house from any direction. Their hearing can be many times better than yours, giving you time to react and get armed.


133 posted on 01/10/2012 5:54:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
This gets the job done for me. One version runs 9 hours straight on a charge.
134 posted on 01/10/2012 6:03:14 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf
GMTA, bro. Nothing like random beams of high-powered light at night, and a few shotgun blasts.

It really says, "Stay away!"

Sort of making the same point....


135 posted on 01/10/2012 6:15:15 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
This will do the trick as well:

136 posted on 01/10/2012 6:20:47 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: meatloaf

LOL bump!


137 posted on 01/10/2012 6:23:18 AM PST by DollyCali (UIUDon't tell God how big your storm is... tell your storm how BIG your God is!)
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To: MrB

Snakes are great! I always show off my wild-caught rat snakes, well, enough so the neighbors all know, “That guy keeps snakes around.”

There are certain types of people for whom snakes are long-range Kryptonite. They will stay far away, based just on the thought of snakes being around there.


138 posted on 01/10/2012 6:24:48 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: matthew fuller

Back to the drawing board. LOL!


139 posted on 01/10/2012 6:44:25 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: matthew fuller

Or if you relieve yourself on it...my FIL did that to his trashcans in Houston...roaming dogs never came back.


140 posted on 01/10/2012 6:45:17 AM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: Travis McGee

I remember that one. That one and the one by Gahan Wilson with the guy carrying the elephant gun are some of my favorites. I recently sold a bunch of Barrett magazines. Never did buy one of the guns, but I got a great deal on the magazines long ago. A thirty pound rifle would be a PITA to carry around in the dark.


141 posted on 01/10/2012 7:01:25 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: 21twelve

I hear you. That’s why I live where I do. This state has enough crazies living up hollows to populate the whole country. Did I mention we’re all related?


142 posted on 01/10/2012 7:05:11 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: Travis McGee

I forgot about that. I have a standing offer of paying $20 for a live undamaged black snake. That includes going and getting them. I hadn’t considered the effect on people. Quite a few people want nothing to do with them.

This spring I’m going to put a cheap ad in the local newspaper.


143 posted on 01/10/2012 7:11:53 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: meatloaf

No need to get the snakes, just get the sign.


144 posted on 01/10/2012 7:18:52 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Travis McGee
Heh. My neighbors have seen me often enough 'trimming' the Brazilian Pepper out back with my daisho often enough to know where I'm comin' from. $;-)
145 posted on 01/10/2012 7:22:03 AM PST by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

The battery won’t work. The voltage is far too low.

I recommend an electric fence energizer. They are about $65, which is less than most batteries.


146 posted on 01/10/2012 8:22:46 AM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Travis McGee

Here’s some stuff to do “on the cheap”.

First take out those stupid 1 inch long screws in your door locks and dead bolts and replace them with 3 inch ones drilled deep into the door AND the jam. This step alone increases the strength of the door/lock interface by a factor of 5.

Have 1 inch HARDWOOD dowels cut to length to put in the tracks of sliding doors and windows so the can’t be easily opened. Put each one by the appropriate opening and then USE THEM.

Small motion alarms are available for very little money that will make a hell of a racket if a door or window is opened or broken. Jiggle one of them and a 110db alarm sounds. I’ve got them all over the house.

Buy some of those “Property Under Video Surveillance” signs and post them prominently even if you don’t have the cameras. Anything that gives a bad guy pause will help.

All this stuff cost me less than $50.

Best,

L


147 posted on 01/10/2012 8:32:28 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Travis McGee; MrB

“Snakes are great! I always show off my wild-caught rat snakes, well, enough so the neighbors all know, “That guy keeps snakes around.””

####

Yes, the natural fear/disdain for snakes ought to be quite effective. However, they are largely invisible and silent.

I would think a large, loud, aggressive dog, say the highly intelligent and intimidating German Shepherd or Belgian Melanois, is most effective.

They understand the concept of private property rights better than most humans, are possessed of the gift of acting instantly and without second thoughts, and are magnificently politically incorrect.


148 posted on 01/10/2012 8:43:35 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: meatloaf

Model? Source? Link?

Thanks.


149 posted on 01/10/2012 8:55:13 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

Streamlight Litebox. EBay is the best place to buy. They come in an 8 or 20 watt version IIRC. They also make a mucho expensive HID version. Liteboxes are standard equipment on a lot of fire trucks.


150 posted on 01/10/2012 9:06:05 AM PST by meatloaf
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