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Hardening Your Home Against Home Invasions (Vanity)
FR ^ | Jan. 9, 2012 | FR

Posted on 01/09/2012 3:23:41 PM PST by fightinJAG

If you missed this thread of a few days ago on a 14-year-old boy shooting an intruder in N.C., or if you didn't see all the responses, it's definitely worth checking out. The thread is also linked at the "read more" button below.

On that thread, I asked for freepers' thoughts on whether there were things that made some homes more vulnerable to home invasion than others. (It seems like it would be obvious that a more rural or remote home would be more vulnerable, but news reports in my area do not substantiate that assumption at all. Homes in crowded suburban neighbors get hit, too.)

Also, it's clear that, for various reasons, not every person in a household is going to be able to use a gun, even if one is available. I asked about ideas and discussion on ways that might deter invasions in the first place, although it goes without saying that nothing is foolproof and no one wants to live in a total fortress environment.

A poster suggested I make my questions into a stand-alone thread, and I decided to do so. Reading reports of several local home invasions in today's news, as well as a rash of "smash and grab" buglaries, had nothing to do with reminding me of the topic. Right.

So, yes, we know about guns and dogs (and tips regarding those are always still welcome). But what other things might be unobtrusively effective in deterring home invasions or allowing them to have a "happy" ending (dead perp)?

In the comments on our local crime stories, I saw that some people were using baby monitors to be alerted to noises around their back doors, etc. Thus, allowing them more time to investigate or prepare if a break-in developed.

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To: meatloaf

Thanks.

That looks like a professional product.

Probably the best way to go.


151 posted on 01/10/2012 9:27:02 AM PST by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Travis McGee
Just a few evenings ago, the daughter went for a run. It was getting dark at the time. 20 minutes later (her "usual" arrival time), somebody knocked on the door, and SP opened the inside, AND outer doors without looking. It was NOT our girl. It was some guy we didn't know. As it happened, I was standing JUST around the corner in front of an open gun-safe when she opened the door and I heard the beginnings of a conversation. The quickest thing to grab was one of my son's 1911s, so I did... charged it, and locked it... stuck it in the "usual" spot, and then stepped around the corner and swapped places with her.

It all turned out well as far as well goes. The guy was trying to talk me out of $8 for gas money so his friends could give him a ride to a place that was only 10 miles away. I don't give cash and told him so, but I also told him that I'd be happy to give him a ride. He wouldn't have to know that the guy in the backseat would be holding a gun to his head. :-) When I offered him a ride, he tried to tell me how far away he lived.

During this conversation, I heard what I thought was a cat in the bushes across my driveway. I discovered after the guy left my porch that it was my oldest son, watching the guy through his sights. :-)

Like I said... everybody walked away safe. I did call the Sheriff's Dept after he left. SP was feeling a bit small afterward, but everybody stayed safe, and all I really said is that I'll bet she never does that again. :-)

It rather reminded me of that article you sent to me that time titled, "Got A Second?". An exterior door can buy a LOT of time. :-)
152 posted on 01/10/2012 9:51:26 AM PST by hiredhand
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To: Travis McGee

I see those welding skills didn’t just come in handy to build a boat. Buired with a longer shaft they make punji sticks look tame.


153 posted on 01/10/2012 9:54:22 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: fightinJAG
In 1985, I bought 1.5 acres of old mobile home park to put my house on. After I put a barbed wire fence around the property line, I moved in about three feet and planted a perimeter of buckthorn trees/bushes. I got the buckthorn seedlings from all over the area, telling perfect strangers throughout Central Texas that, if they wanted to get rid of the buckthorn seedlings in their yard, I would do it for them.

Then, eight feet in from the buckthorn, I planted an inner perimeter line of Texas red cedars eight feet apart all around the line. Didn't cost me a cent, as I just dug out seedlings under the larger cedars already in the yard and went from yard to yard offering to dig up all of their little cedars. The seedlings varied in height from six inches or so to two feet tall.

After they were all planted, I went out to the open range on Fort Hood after a major field exercise and policed up about 50 rolls of concertina wire. I unrolled the concertina wire over the seedlings and carefully monitored their growth over the next five years.

Now, the buckthorn is growing along the inside of the fenceline, backed up by some very nasty 20-foot tall red cedars, with their branches interlaced through growth. Inside that cedar hedge, at a varying height of between two and five feet, is a coil of very sharp, very rusty concertina razor wire.

My late wife wanted bunkers and machine gun nests, but I had to draw the line somewhere. [smile] We do have six floodlights surrounding the house and, additionally, one apiece in the large carport and immediately next to the front patio and the back porch.

When the doorbell rings, either my present wife or I will look out the small kitchen window that flanks the front door and porch. If it's someone we don't recognize, we retrieve the pistol (for me) and the shotgun (for her) and open up the window to ask them their business.

Should they try to break in the steel door, they're going to have a little problem because, whenever one of us is in the house, the two deadbolts are thrown (2.5 inches of deadbolt into the doorframe which is a treated 4x4) and the bar is across the middle of the door (a 2x4 in the manner somewhat akin to what you see on movies for castle gates, held in steel braces with 2-inch bolts securing it to the 4x4 door frame).

The windows are all covered with painted treated wooden lattice .. easy enough to kick out if you have to escape a fire, but delaying and noisy enough to discourage break-ins .. and, underneath the paneling below the kitchen window is a 4'x4' piece of 3/8-inch steel plating from a salvage yard, in case of gunfire into the kitchen when we're asking them their business.

We live well out in the sticks, away from the main road .. a lot of privacy, but we're pretty much on our own. My wife, who is from England, took to the property and the Texas way of life with guns like a duck to water

154 posted on 01/10/2012 10:02:34 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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155 posted on 01/10/2012 10:30:53 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Travis McGee

A very cheap, yet extremely effective, device is a driveway sensor, sold at places like Radio Shack for $12. It is a simple IR laser reflected off a reflector. Run the wires underground to your house (low voltage so no conduit needed or deep burial) for a simple detector when something crosses its path. As you said, a few false alarms simply help to train you to respond to them and are not annoying.

With that, you can get creative and run lights that come on in that area. Even video cameras have gotten fairly cheap these days. Run a camera to that area and see what’s there. Toss in a speaker and microphone and talk to the idiot; that’ll scare the snot out of him. “Hi! Welcome to Matt’s shooting gallery. There is an apple next to your left foot. Please place it on top of your head and stand still. If I hit the apple you are free to leave, otherwise, we’ll just scoop what’s left of you into the crock pit.”


156 posted on 01/10/2012 10:32:02 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: naxetevitan; Travis McGee
A few times a month, I’ll go out at night and just fire the shotgun. Maybe once. Maybe twice. I like to do that between 1:00 and 3:00 am.

I think you live next door to me. ;)

I live next door to a grain elevator served by railroad tracks, so mostly when I touch off a round, it's a .22 at a grain-stealing mouse, sometimes a rat. Occasionally, I have to make do with the handgun I carry, so other nearby neighbors are used to that.

However one evening last year we had a whitetail dear- in season- wandering down the RR tracks between the light of the full moon reflected atop the shiny steel rails. I had the choice of a couple of my rifles out the back door, but happened to use my son's .303 SMLE. Worked fine.

Only shot so far this year: a .22 through three paint cans in a row so I could blow the pressure out of them, recover the agitator balls [slingshot ammo for stray neighbor dogs, coons and possums] and then pitch the empty cans in the burn barrel prior to recycling. But the year is young.

157 posted on 01/10/2012 10:45:29 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: naxetevitan; Travis McGee
A few times a month, I’ll go out at night and just fire the shotgun. Maybe once. Maybe twice. I like to do that between 1:00 and 3:00 am.

I think you live next door to me. ;)

I live next door to a grain elevator served by railroad tracks, so mostly when I touch off a round, it's a .22 at a grain-stealing mouse, sometimes a rat. Occasionally, I have to make do with the handgun I carry, so other nearby neighbors are used to that.

However one evening last year we had a whitetail dear- in season- wandering down the RR tracks between the light of the full moon reflected atop the shiny steel rails. I had the choice of a couple of my rifles out the back door, but happened to use my son's .303 SMLE. Worked fine.

Only shot so far this year: a .22 through three paint cans in a row so I could blow the pressure out of them, recover the agitator balls [slingshot ammo for stray neighbor dogs, coons and possums] and then pitch the empty cans in the burn barrel prior to recycling. But the year is young.

158 posted on 01/10/2012 10:45:40 AM PST by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: fightinJAG

Barbed wire both concertina & tanglefoot around the perimeter backed up by toe poppers & bouncing betty’s . Steel fire doors with deadbolt locks, ground floor windows have burglar bars at the least,cctv , everyone in the house trained with firearms. I’ll get back to folks after I give it some more thought.


159 posted on 01/10/2012 12:03:59 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: fightinJAG
BUMP


160 posted on 01/10/2012 12:13:04 PM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit)
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To: meatloaf

Especially with a boot on your head for a hat.


161 posted on 01/10/2012 12:20:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: hiredhand

Yeah, sounds like they were running a recon on your place, pretext “instant conversations” like gas money are one of the usuals. It used to be borrow your telephone in the old days.


162 posted on 01/10/2012 12:24:34 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad
They were just two stainless steel cutoff scraps I put together with a SS rod. The “blade” was left after cutting out a few SS discs. I looked at it and said, “Hmmmm, cool...”

It's perfect for the type of throwing I do now, where you trail your index finger downward along the shaft on the release to counter the spin. For this method, the shaft needs to be uniform and smooth, no pommels etc. So it was just luck I had welded a smooth pipe to the “blade.”

(The beauty of this throwing method is it's ease and intuitiveness in learning. You start by perfecting the throw at nearly point blank, and working your way back with proficiency.)

163 posted on 01/10/2012 12:28:30 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: archy

RR tracks are great “suppressors” for urban and suburban target practice.

Brings back college memories. Down under the trestles, the train roaring overhead, “the range” is now open for the next minute.


164 posted on 01/10/2012 12:31:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: BlueLancer

Not many naturally fortified homesteads like that back in Jolly England, I’ll wager.

Won’t the concertina eventually climb up with the ceders they intertwine?


165 posted on 01/10/2012 12:34:42 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: fightinJAG

1. I put in a security system that has door and window sensors and motion detectors, including the garage. It dials out on cellular service if the alarm is triggered. I can disable the in-house motion detectors when I am home.

2. Remington 870 tactical shotgun.
3. Downstairs handgun.
4. No signs to indicate to potential thieves that I own anything of value including guns.
5. Good blinds, closed when I’m not home. Peeking in won’t work.
6. Motion sensing lights in back yard and near entry doors.
7. Never invite neighbor’s kids into my house to see what they can steal.
8. Do most of my own interior repairs, minimizing workmen in the house who will see what they can steal.
9. Good car and motorcycles locked in the garage. S**t box car in the driveway with veteran’s plates and no stickers to give crooks a hint about where they can steal guns.

In short, I try to make myself and my home invisible to crooks looking for something valuable and easy to steal. In my area, the most likely thieves are local teenagers. They haven’t seen what is in my house or garage and I don’t make it easy for them to see it.


166 posted on 01/10/2012 12:47:10 PM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: MrB
I posted a while back of my back door security apparatus:

100,000 Russian Hybrid honeybees in a bee box!

I have 2 doors on my house, with the back door being the one that the theives woudl break into first...NO ONE can see that back door, including me! There is a deck under the door, and I placed my bee hives there, and put 100lbs test STREN fishing wire through the deck and tied it to the bottom of the door.

If someone were to kick open, or hell, open that back door, it pulls off the entire top super, inner cover, and top cover instantly. I also have a motion sensor light that pops off when the lids fly.

Anyways.....I'll raise your snakes, call 60,000 bees defending their hive ;) . The russians are really mean and i get stung ALL THE TIME with them. My other girls are italians....and I can work them with a t-shirt and a puff of smoke. WHen I work the Russians, I'm im MOPP level 5 and TONS of smoke. I had them tested once because I just knew that they had been africanized or hybrid africans....but DNA said that they were pissed off Russian bees ;)

Anyways, bees are an unconventional and suprisingly effective deterrant.....in fact, when my meter reader changed to a middle aged white guy, I asked where the regular meter reader was, (a 20 something black guy), and he said that he just hated bees and let the foreman take my house.

Oh...and get a sign :)


167 posted on 01/10/2012 12:48:01 PM PST by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: DCBryan1

...another reason to consider bee keeping...fresh honey AND security system...


168 posted on 01/10/2012 12:54:21 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: DCBryan1
How about dogs who shoot bees out of their mouths?

169 posted on 01/10/2012 12:55:25 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
ROFLMAO!

Almost as good as sharks with friggin laser beams on their heads!


170 posted on 01/10/2012 12:58:44 PM PST by DCBryan1 ("Forget the Lawyers! FIRST YOU MUST kill the journalists!" - Die Ritter, die sagen, "nee"!)
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To: DCBryan1

I was going t make some kind of suggestion about fire, but pissed-off Russian bees will do it. You simply cannot defend against the little sh*ts.


171 posted on 01/10/2012 1:11:22 PM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Travis McGee

Your a SEAL an I’m EOD..... I can’t recall ever meeting a crazy person ......have you ?

Stay Safe .....:o)


172 posted on 01/10/2012 1:53:46 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Lurker

I hunt over bait..... 20$ bills all over the living room. Lights on door open ......etc.

Not really just bumpin yer suggestions. Good post !

Stay Safe !


173 posted on 01/10/2012 2:04:57 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Redak
Finally before buying or renting a property check out it’s history;drug dealing, domestic violence, abandoned,richest guy in town, lets you know of possible threats. Most of our local home invasions recently have been former drug dealer homes or victims that were once in the trade. Remember someone gets out of jail and may not have up to date street knowledge, so goes to old haunts.

Good advice. For some reason this reminded me of how Charles Manson chose Sharon Tate's house to begin his carnage. If i'm remembering right, Manson thought record producer Terry Melcher still lived there and was mad at him for ruining his dreams of stardom. ..... < /useless trivia > ;)

174 posted on 01/10/2012 3:13:20 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: Travis McGee

I was thinking about (1) those things you walk by and they start singing, such as a plastic garden frog, and (2) those motion-activated recorders that play witchy sounds, used on Halloween.

Seems like both of those types of gadgets could be adapted to play a loud, large dog bark and growl upon motion activation.


175 posted on 01/10/2012 3:33:04 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: 21twelve

Becoming confrontational isn’t the best approach, but
but Mr. Wasilchen may have had good reasons to not want
the weed patrol to scope out his property. I’m not sure
what I’d do in those circumstances. I also am not
accepting *as yet* the government officials story. One
does meet obnoxious confrontational ppl going door to
door in any capacity.


176 posted on 01/10/2012 3:38:23 PM PST by cycjec
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To: meatloaf

They like warm flat rocks. (the snakes).


177 posted on 01/10/2012 3:43:14 PM PST by cycjec
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To: fightinJAG; meatloaf; Travis McGee; hiredhand

Two years ago now, I saved a comment by “Spktyr” in
a thread on a “wrong door” police raid. The homeowner
had installed a airlock double door in the front,
with a 90 degree turn preventing the ram from opening
the second door. Polycarbonate sheeting instead of glass
on the first floor windows. Home invasions come in several
varieties nowadays.


178 posted on 01/10/2012 4:01:34 PM PST by cycjec
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To: BobL
1/3 of the AC problems I run across are electrical, 1/3 are refrigerant, and 1/3 are airflow issues. Misdiagnosis can be costly and the average homeowner can get into a lot of trouble if they dig into these machines. More efficient machines with two speed compressors, hard start kits, low and high pressure switches, etc with wires going everywhere can really stump a homeowner, especially when they don't know the function of the majority of parts and how to follow the flow of electricity. Just my two cents.
179 posted on 01/10/2012 4:26:33 PM PST by Sawdring
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To: Sawdring

“1/3 of the AC problems I run across are electrical, 1/3 are refrigerant, and 1/3 are airflow issues. Misdiagnosis can be costly and the average homeowner can get into a lot of trouble if they dig into these machines. More efficient machines with two speed compressors, hard start kits, low and high pressure switches, etc with wires going everywhere can really stump a homeowner, especially when they don’t know the function of the majority of parts and how to follow the flow of electricity. Just my two cents. “

You have a point. I didn’t mean to imply that any Tom, Dick, or Harry could necessarily troubleshoot an AC system. You do have to have a basic understanding. But it’s still worth getting to that level, and it’s not too much - providing you don’t have a (much more complicated) heat pump...or you don’t have add-ons, like a hard-start kit.


180 posted on 01/10/2012 4:34:51 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: MrB
I like to think I'm an environmentalist. So to work with nature, I bring home snakes to keep the local rodent population under control. I found this little cutie in the kitchen a few months ago when it started getting cold.
181 posted on 01/10/2012 4:36:28 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: fightinJAG

We had a home invasion last summer. I always laughed at the ADT commercials on tv with the BG running at the sound.....I don’t anymore. That is the 1st line of defense. Allows one to arm themselves (assuming they are not already armed).

Also, crooks are like cockroaches.....they do not like the light. Put motion sensors around your entire house.

Crooks do not like to be photographed. Place cameras around your house.

Redundancy. Crooks not are cutting phone lines so that the security system cannot call out. Have a cell phone backup call out.

I cannot even go into full detail about the extent of what we have done as I do not want to advertise for any BG’s who may be reading.....and they do read threads like this. One gun site regarding home defense and safes was cross posted on a site where BG’s hang out. Do not post anything you don’t want BG’s to know.

A home invasion is unsettling, but is also brings clarity to what must be done. I feel I have done all I can do should an even like this happen again.

And God help the BG breaking in.


182 posted on 01/10/2012 5:01:40 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Crooks not are cutting phone lines

should read:

Crooks now are cutting phone lines


183 posted on 01/10/2012 5:03:22 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: AlmaKing

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184 posted on 01/10/2012 5:22:42 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: All
This may sound silly, but a good habit to develop is to lock every window and door as it is closed. I still check the doors when we go to bed at night, though. If I am going out to the back yard, I make sure that the windows and doors in the front are locked.

Look around when you are outside, or when you get out of your car to check the mailbox. It's quick and easy, and could save you from a very unpleasant experience.

185 posted on 01/10/2012 5:43:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Great habits of safety, trisham!


186 posted on 01/10/2012 5:44:49 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Red in Blue PA

I’m sure glad you and your family got through that okay.


187 posted on 01/10/2012 6:31:13 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: meatloaf
A thirty pound rifle would be a PITA to carry around in the dark.

You're right; I've done it - it is a PITA.

Even if you're young and healthy.

188 posted on 01/10/2012 8:25:36 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee
We've been reconned before... somebody is here ALL the time... armed. If they really want to be Darwin Award recipients, then we're here to help them. :-)

Honestly though... he seemed to just be trying to scratch up enough money for dope. He really wasn't paying attention to much around him.

It's a really rough place over where he said his "friends" were... about 3/4 of a mile to the south. Even county Deputies that I know would rather NOT go there.
189 posted on 01/10/2012 10:37:57 PM PST by hiredhand
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To: Travis McGee

As the trees were growing, I kept moving the branches over and through the concertina. The bottom of most of the concertina is between one and three feet off the ground. It’s not perfect, but it should be exciting to try to find a passage in the dark ...


190 posted on 01/11/2012 4:47:48 AM PST by BlueLancer (Secede?! Y'all better just be thankful we don't invade ...)
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To: 21twelve; meatloaf

You nailed yourself by opening your mouth. If you were confident that your behavior and attitude were correct, why get irritated? Obviously, you have a problem with my calling your behavior foolish. What you describe as doing is not ‘protecting’ your property or rights in any way. What you describe is psychotic behavior. And of course, there will always be internet cowboys to come pat you on the back for it.

And the media could not have done a better job painting you as a nutcase as you did yourself.


191 posted on 01/12/2012 9:19:40 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: AlmaKing

Thank you!


192 posted on 01/13/2012 4:33:45 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: fightinJAG; All
For those interested, here's a link I found to some window security bar systems that looked worth considering.

I linked to one of the "real world photos," but from there you can get to the home page and product info, etc. This company sells swing-away grates (so you can get out of the window, if needed) and several different designs, custom-sized. They look much nicer than the iron grates installed over the window on the outside of the house. To my eye, they provide a visual deterrent (as well as a physical deterrent) without making the house look "locked down."

No, I am not affliated with the company! :) Just was following up on our discussion by researching what products are out there.

193 posted on 01/17/2012 9:30:15 AM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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