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Hardening Your Home Against Home Invasions (Vanity)
FR ^ | Jan. 9, 2012 | FR

Posted on 01/09/2012 3:23:41 PM PST by fightinJAG

If you missed this thread of a few days ago on a 14-year-old boy shooting an intruder in N.C., or if you didn't see all the responses, it's definitely worth checking out. The thread is also linked at the "read more" button below.

On that thread, I asked for freepers' thoughts on whether there were things that made some homes more vulnerable to home invasion than others. (It seems like it would be obvious that a more rural or remote home would be more vulnerable, but news reports in my area do not substantiate that assumption at all. Homes in crowded suburban neighbors get hit, too.)

Also, it's clear that, for various reasons, not every person in a household is going to be able to use a gun, even if one is available. I asked about ideas and discussion on ways that might deter invasions in the first place, although it goes without saying that nothing is foolproof and no one wants to live in a total fortress environment.

A poster suggested I make my questions into a stand-alone thread, and I decided to do so. Reading reports of several local home invasions in today's news, as well as a rash of "smash and grab" buglaries, had nothing to do with reminding me of the topic. Right.

So, yes, we know about guns and dogs (and tips regarding those are always still welcome). But what other things might be unobtrusively effective in deterring home invasions or allowing them to have a "happy" ending (dead perp)?

In the comments on our local crime stories, I saw that some people were using baby monitors to be alerted to noises around their back doors, etc. Thus, allowing them more time to investigate or prepare if a break-in developed.

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To: fightinJAG

An easy and highly effective way of diverting a criminal's attention to your neighbor

51 posted on 01/09/2012 5:09:45 PM PST by Zakeet (If Obama had half a brain, his butt would be lopsided)
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To: fightinJAG

Get a HUGE dog bowl. Paint the name “Brutus” on it in large letters. Buy a really heavy gauge chain—open the last link in the chain. (make it look like the Mastiff got loose). Attach the chain to your front porch bannister or column next to the dog bowl.


52 posted on 01/09/2012 5:09:54 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: aimhigh
I like the holster idea, here is one for you. I have a HUGE spiked dog collar on a chain laying by my front door. It appears that a GIANT dog got loose in the yard. I also have signs that say SECURITY DOG and BEWARE OF DOG.

I have 4 real dogs but they would only warn me that some one is here and would not bite.

53 posted on 01/09/2012 5:13:29 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SteveAustin

I found a frosted window application on a roll...you cut it to size and apply it to the inside of the window. It looks nice, lets in the light but keeps it private. You can get it in several ‘motifs’..stained glass, clouds and sky, frosted. I found mine at Home Depot...but that was a few years back.


54 posted on 01/09/2012 5:13:52 PM PST by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: fightinJAG

Check out the “Terminator” pepper spray booby trap!!


55 posted on 01/09/2012 5:14:12 PM PST by misanthrope ("...Everybody look what's goin' down.")
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To: snowrip; fightinJAG
I like the baby monitor idea, and we have about a dozen of them.

The problem with that is they can be picked up on police scanners. Unless they've changed in the last few years, that is. I used to hear them a few years ago when i kept my scanner on a lot.

56 posted on 01/09/2012 5:15:08 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: BobL

We never have strangers at the front door. They’d have to
climb over the fences or come by boat up the river where they’d be met by the dogs. Anyone coming here stops at the
gated driveway entrance and either calls the house, or turns
around and goes away. From the front gate you can’t see
99% of the property and being at the end of a dead end street,
we don’t see strangers. The dogs are extremely defensive, aggressive enough that trolling fishermen never stop to get
out along the banks.

Then we have the lights, motion cameras, and more. Lots more.


57 posted on 01/09/2012 5:15:59 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: meatloaf

Enjoyed your post. I’m about a month from physically moving to a very rural area. Interesting challenges.


58 posted on 01/09/2012 5:22:25 PM PST by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: meatloaf

Enjoyed your post. I’m about a month from physically moving to a very rural area. Interesting challenges.


59 posted on 01/09/2012 5:22:38 PM PST by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: fightinJAG

I like tools, so I have things like hammers and very sharp machetes scattered all around the house, even if the guns are locked up. Sort of like knicknacks or stuff you have on the coffee table to play with. Another nice thing is a couple of cans of that bee & wasp spray that shoots a huge jet about 15 feet. That crap is kinda nasty. Haven’t tried spraying it over top of a lighted BIC lighter, though that works well with a can of Ether starting fluid.


60 posted on 01/09/2012 5:25:27 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: ansel12

Frosted plastic window film. I’ve used it in downstairs bathrooms, front door windows. Looks good, like frosted glass, if you trim it neatly with a razor knife


61 posted on 01/09/2012 5:28:04 PM PST by heartwood
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To: OregonRancher

If they want in your house they will get into it no matter what you do. The trick is to make sure they don’t get out. If I’m not here “Wiggles” will take care of the problem. A Dog with attitude. You can take anything you want but when you get ready to leave she will ask “where you going MF”? You ain’t getting out until Daddy gets here!!!!! Seriously, you have to make valuables hard to get in your house because any home can be broken into. Make it hard to get to the stuff you don’t want them into.


62 posted on 01/09/2012 5:28:33 PM PST by Ab Alius Domitor ("In the end; the winner")
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To: fightinJAG

Bump


63 posted on 01/09/2012 5:31:49 PM PST by dcwusmc (A FREE People have no sovereign save Almighty GOD!!! III OK We are EVERYWHERE!!!)
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To: piytar
Good lighting makes you a lot less attractive as a target at night. For example, the house I live at is by far the best lit in the neighborhood. Plenty of poorly lit ones all around. Guess who is less likely to get “hit”?

You'd be surprised at how many idiots will break into a home that's well lighted because it's easier for them to see what they're doing. I had my car broken into because it was parked at the end of the row right under the street light. Guess what the jerks said? They said the street light helped them and they didn't have to go looking for that model along the row.

64 posted on 01/09/2012 5:32:37 PM PST by bgill (The Obama administration is staging a coup. Wake up, America, before it's too late.)
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To: BobL
Good point. Bad guys seem to have an irrational fear of dogs (which I, and I’m sure, most of you, love). They are simply scared to death of them. In fact, they found ancient Roman ruins with tiling that also said “beware of dog”, or Canis, as they called it.

We had an electrical problem in our basement that I just couldn't track down, so we called an electrician. He showed up with a young "assistant" that I immediately felt uncomfortable having inside the house. That feeling got worse when the young guy asked right away to use the bathroom... which is upstairs.

Luckily, I had closed our German Shepherd up in a room upstairs, and he was raising holy HELL because someone was in the house. As I walked the young guy upstairs, our conversation went like this:

Him: "Sounds like a mean dog."
Me: "Yep."
Him: "What do you think would happen if he got out?"
Me: "How much do you weigh?"
Him: What's that got to do with it?"
Me: "I'm trying to calculate how long before I'll have to buy dog food again."
Him: "Oh."

He may have scoped out part of my house, but he obviously didn't see anything worth getting eaten for.

65 posted on 01/09/2012 5:35:03 PM PST by PalmettoMason ("The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.")
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To: Ab Alius Domitor

I agree. That being said, anyone in our home that was not invited would find that the house is a trap. Literally.
Not only would everything be on video, but the chance of them
being accidentally injured would be high... of course, not
by design...


66 posted on 01/09/2012 5:35:46 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: piytar

The best locks you can buy at a regular store like Home Depot are Schlage locks. They even have a line of locks you can rekey yourself.


67 posted on 01/09/2012 5:38:00 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: fightinJAG
Mrs Bear and I have been looking at houses. I drive her nuts by rating each structures' defendability. Usually, the first issues are the door (window in entry door is a big no-no!), and ground level windows.

Also, those nice full length windows on either side of the door...why not just rip out the danged door out and leave it wide open???!!!

She agreed to letting me dig a moat. I think she's just humoring me...

68 posted on 01/09/2012 5:38:09 PM PST by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: SteveAustin

We had those small, dirty windows at the top of the garage door. Couldn’t get them clean for anything. The windows were high but we still wanted privacy. We took those semi-transparent plastic covers that were used to cover the fluorescent light boxes recessed in ceiling in kitchens in the 70s, slid each panel on to the inside of the windows and screwed each one on. They actually look good from the outside and the inside. They let enough light in and provide good privacy. You also don’t have to clean them. Win/win/win.


69 posted on 01/09/2012 5:38:48 PM PST by maxter (Election is THIS year. Make it count.)
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To: Jewbacca
We utilize a Medeco locks ...

Good choice. Medeco is what banks and jewelry stores use.

70 posted on 01/09/2012 5:41:46 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

ping


71 posted on 01/09/2012 5:43:22 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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To: NTegraT

Congrats! you will love it! I’m retired and live high up in the snowy mountains of the ‘Great American Redoubt’. The challenges are many but home security measures of many types are implemented as standard and various personal SOP’s are always in effect, just as they were when I was stuck in the city way back when. Good luck on the move!


72 posted on 01/09/2012 5:44:01 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: fightinJAG

I like to let Goober the dog out in the drive way to eat her huge soup bone. She is so happy, but she will not share that bone. In fact, it’s best that you cross the street so as not to get too close to where she could suspect that you would want that bone. Just a couple of times during the summer and word gets out. Sales people and others just holler from the street stupid things like “does that dog bite?” “Well hell yes, see that legbone from the last salesperson” or “Only if you are a cat, grackle, salesperson or Democrat”.


73 posted on 01/09/2012 5:53:29 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (There's a pill for just about everything ... except stupid!)
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To: PalmettoMason

“He showed up with a young “assistant” that I immediately felt uncomfortable having inside the house.”

OUTSTANDING story...glad it worked out, but a closer call than you should have to deal with.


74 posted on 01/09/2012 5:57:14 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Pan_Yan

I was in the offices of the Mossad Years ago. I looked at their locks.

Medeco


75 posted on 01/09/2012 5:58:55 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: OregonRancher

“Then we have the lights, motion cameras, and more. Lots more.”

That what we (actually ‘those’) in the business call a LAYERED DEFENSE. Nice work...you, at least, have a chance of surviving a dollar meltdown. Much better than my situation.


76 posted on 01/09/2012 5:59:27 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: bobby.223

Thanks. A bit of humor: I bought the property next to my son’s who had lived there for over 3 years, whose house was a quarter mile off the road, not visible from the road and heavily wooded. “Don’t worry, Mom, nobody EVER comes to your house out here.” One hour later, exactly one hour, two Jehovah Witness ladies appeared on his front porch. Needless to say he was some kind of upset. Now he has several different audible and visual warning techno-gadgets. I will have some of them too. :-)


77 posted on 01/09/2012 6:10:31 PM PST by NTegraT (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Ab Alius Domitor

Most of my good stuff not in actual use is stashed in the basement or garage. Using my old boss’ theory of “They’ll think the place has already been ransacked and look elsewhere”! (Also a good place to hide Christmas presents - a 46-inch flat screen spent a week in the basement lost in the clutter and getting walked by without being noticed!)


78 posted on 01/09/2012 6:11:40 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Mortrey

My favorite (nonlethal) deterrent is a handwritten note on the door: “Be careful opening the door - the snake got loose again.” I have yet to meet an Amish who wasn’t deathly afraid of snakes.


79 posted on 01/09/2012 6:32:44 PM PST by Mountain Troll (My investment plan - Canned food and shotguns)
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To: aimhigh

When camping or hiking in a particularly remote area it can be helpful to leave empty beer cans and ammo boxes lying around the dash and front seats of your vehicle. It sends a certain message to would-be thieves and vandals.


80 posted on 01/09/2012 6:37:00 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: BobL

Thank you. Keeping the keys handy at night is also quite helpful if you need to make a quick getaway from your own home if you or your family are facing danger. There are always circumstances that no one could have predicted.


81 posted on 01/09/2012 6:42:22 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: naxetevitan

No one lives next to me. ;-)


82 posted on 01/09/2012 6:46:05 PM PST by meatloaf
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To: MamaDearest
Those with alarm buttons on their car keys should keep one close to bedside so it can be activated if someone breaks in while you are sleeping.

Good idea, but anybody breaking into my home while I am there will have only one sound to worry about: muzzle blast.
83 posted on 01/09/2012 7:01:30 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

I have to say it did occur to me that one should be very sure that one’s medical info is kept private. Several of the latest home invasions I have read about had to do with stealing prescription drugs.

Of course, the creeps could just be hoping they hit the jackpot. But imagine if people could find out who was taking what meds and, therefore, what could be found in their home?


84 posted on 01/09/2012 7:43:26 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Jewbacca

Ping for later installation!


85 posted on 01/09/2012 7:44:23 PM PST by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: G Larry

Hell, you may want the alarm on any time you’re home!

Consider if the kids in the story at the link had had the alarm on. That said, they also could have been playing out in the yard or the pool when these thugs showed up.

At the minimum, if you have someone in the home who is someone defenseless (for example, disabled to some degree), I’d think about using the alarm all the time.


86 posted on 01/09/2012 7:46:40 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Repeal The 17th
“...Develop a reputation of a “crazy” person that no one wants to deal with... - Very good point; I am that guy.

LOL. One of my strategies also

87 posted on 01/09/2012 7:47:10 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: piytar

I used to think the same as you do about lighting. But now I think it depends on the neighborhood. A dark home in a place generally well-lit does seem like a magnet. OTOH, I know of people who live more out in the country and they don’t want lights on; they figure people won’t notice the house if it’s dark, or they will wonder about the dog situation without being able to see.

That said, I think some strategic motion-detected lights would be good in that case.

But I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on whether a well-lit house is ALWAYS a good thing.


88 posted on 01/09/2012 7:49:28 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: fightinJAG

Have bright activating lights outside. Don’t have them all pointing down - shoot some light into your neighbor’s windows and into your windows. You want to arouse attention; not light the pathway for the perps.

Have a neighborhood crime watch organized and active. They are trained to notice strange, out of place happenings and sounds and are welcome to be nosey neighbors. It works. All but two of our neighbors participate at least to a minimal effective degree - getting trained and watching. And you get to have a lot of parties and you can organize shooting range outings!

Be armed throuhout the house and have plenty of portable telephones. If you don’t have an alarm system, put car transponders around the house so you can set off car alarms. Neighbors are trained not to ignore long alarms here. They call or come around. Dogs are good alarms if you don’t have doors and windows alarmed. Goldens are the best alarms God made. :)

We have an (armed) escape plan because our house design makes that a safe and likely possibility. God help the fool(s) who gets between us and our escape or who suprises us. Hope that never happens.


89 posted on 01/09/2012 7:49:43 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: MamaDearest

Those are great ideas.

A friend told me how when he lived in a place where he could not legally carry a gun in his car, he kept a bottle of — well, I’ll have to describe it — one of those bottles of spray that you shoot up about 20 feet onto your gutter or somewhere like that to kill wasp nests.

He had been carjacked once in Central America.

He never had to use the spray, but he said it was pretty sure it would repel any cretin who attempted to come too close to his vehicle, and I believe him.

I wondered about using it so as not to get the blowback. Guess the key is to fire it off early, as soon as you realize a problem is approaching.

Is it legal? Hey, you can use whatever is at hand for legitimate self-defense and so you just happen to have a wasp nest fogger in your car/utility room.


90 posted on 01/09/2012 7:55:44 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: fightinJAG

I’m getting ideas from reading this thread. Things like hanging a sign at the front gate that says, “We use night vision gadgets.” :)


91 posted on 01/09/2012 7:57:34 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: SENTINEL

I will definitely check that book out. The thing is, there are often several different places that need protecting, not just the main house. (Say a detached garage, etc.)

I could see the cargo nets being an easy way to install a defense similar in function to bars, without having to go the barred window route.

I’d think about putting them over the windows of an attached garage on the inside.


92 posted on 01/09/2012 8:00:09 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: naxetevitan

I did some work where I would drive by a place in the country. In front of the two dirt tracks leading back through the blackberries was a 4’x8’ piece of plywood, with the following scrawled in paint:

“Nothing back here is worth losing your life for.”


93 posted on 01/09/2012 8:01:11 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: fightinJAG

This suggestion for the ladies is not relevant to home invasion, but to ladies who may be out shopping, going to appointments, whatever. My wife was outside an office, waiting for a medical appointment. A weirdo approached her asking directions to somewhere that made no sense. after she tried to help, he didn’t leave, was just sort of hanging around, wouldn’t leave her alone, she put her hand into her purse, and left it there. She did not need to draw the .357 magnum. The weirdo quickly departed.


94 posted on 01/09/2012 8:06:20 PM PST by matthew fuller ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." Winston Churchill)
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To: snowrip

Yes. I’d like to hear how some of the people using them actually deployed them (outside on the porch, for example, or just near the door on the inside).

I guess the thing to do would be to try out various configurations for whatever app you are wanting the monitor for. Have someone go up to your back door and see if and what you hear and what adjustments you need to make.

Don’t they make baby monitors that also have a light that flashes when it detects a certain level of sound?


95 posted on 01/09/2012 8:08:03 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: fightinJAG

You could always just claim you were shooting for the wasp on the guy’s shoulder. You know... helping him out and all. ;)


96 posted on 01/09/2012 8:09:18 PM PST by naxetevitan
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To: BobL

Do you think small, yappy dogs are of any use? Some people just can’t have a big dog (or more big dogs), yet a few yappers who would fly off the porch and make a ruckus could fit on the roster.

Better than nothing and part of a plan, I suppose.


97 posted on 01/09/2012 8:10:40 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: meatloaf

The word’s gotten out that you’re an ahole. You just sound stupid to me.


98 posted on 01/09/2012 8:11:20 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: USMCPOP

I posted about the wasp spray before reading your post. Had a friend who swore by having a can in the car at all times.

I wouldn’t hestiate to use it if that’s all I had.


99 posted on 01/09/2012 8:15:33 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: AlmaKing
The word’s gotten out that you’re an ahole. You just sound stupid to me.

Wrong thread, hon. This isn't the "i HATE Perry" thread. (or Newt or Santorum or whoever it is you think is stoopid.)

100 posted on 01/09/2012 8:22:10 PM PST by naxetevitan
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