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Cordova out of shovels as snow tops 15 feet
AP via Anchorage Daily News ^ | January 10th, 2012 | DAN JOLING

Posted on 01/11/2012 5:51:58 AM PST by thackney

An Alaska community blitzed by nearly 15 feet of snow was hit by another storm Tuesday and a new problem -- a shortage of shovels.

A spokesman for the city of Cordova said officials had tried Anchorage, Fairbanks and other cities and finally turned to a manufacturer for a special order.

"It's ironic, isn't it? The state of Alaska -- you'd think they'd be ahead of the game. It's those logistical things you just don't plan on, or you don't think is going to be an issue," said Allen Marquette by phone from the city on the east side of Prince William Sound.

The snow-weary city of 2,200 was promised new shovels to be manufactured Thursday and delivered two days later -- but it will be too late for the "couple more feet" of snow that touched down Tuesday, accompanied by winds of 25 to 40 mph and gusts to 55.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Alaska
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1 posted on 01/11/2012 5:52:00 AM PST by thackney
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To: thackney; Kathy in Alaska
Wow - that's a lot of snow!

Pingeroo to Kathy!

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
2 posted on 01/11/2012 5:57:13 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: All
Pictures from individuals in Cordova.

weight of snow collapse roof before it gets shoveled off:


3 posted on 01/11/2012 6:00:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Breaking news, Snow storm in Alaska in January! In other top stories, Arizona desert experiences long dry spell.


4 posted on 01/11/2012 6:03:27 AM PST by GreatRoad (O < 0)
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To: thackney

A shovel for 15 ft of snow? Might as well use a teaspoon.


5 posted on 01/11/2012 6:03:32 AM PST by edpc (Wilby 2012)
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To: thackney

A friend of mine’s parents are from there. They just say “oh a little snow it will melt”. Wow can’t even imagine.


6 posted on 01/11/2012 6:10:18 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: edpc

On a metal roof it does not take much to slide snow. It is downhill, and the surface is smooth.


7 posted on 01/11/2012 6:10:32 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

But when the snow pile matches the eve height, and the snow keeps coming....


8 posted on 01/11/2012 6:16:55 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

That’s why two story houses with a door to the porch were invented.


9 posted on 01/11/2012 6:19:52 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
Past coworkers of mine used to work in Valdez. During the winter, the would open their windows, set their cokes outside in the packed snow they could easily reach and wait for them to cool down.

Their office was on the second floor.

10 posted on 01/11/2012 6:23:08 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
AK_Roof_Load_Standards

TABLE 7-1 GROUND SNOW LOADS, pg, FOR ALASKAN LOCATIONS

Town       lb/ft2   (kN/m2 )


Cordova    100      (4.8)
         

18 ft. of snow is way over the design standards for the structures. Who would have ever thought they would get 18 ft. of snow? Hence the problem. It also depends on how wet the snow actually is.

11 posted on 01/11/2012 6:23:41 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: thackney

Correct. That is another angle.

And snow blowers simply do not throw snot that high either.


12 posted on 01/11/2012 6:26:24 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
One of the years I was in Alaska we had a lot of accumulated snow. During a engineering department head meeting we got sidetracked into a discussion of how to calculate the snow load on our roofs and decide if we needed to be shoveling it off.

After a ridiculous amount of wasted time, figures of density calcs and such, the Process Chief, who had been silent this whole time, spoke up and said the current snow load on his roof was exactly XX.X lbs/sq ft and he wasn't concerned (less than half of what should have been close to a limit).

We turned to him and said how do you know that?

He said yesterday he used a shovel, cut off 6” x 6” of snow, put it into a bucket and weighed it.

Sometimes engineers just make it hard. It's our nature.

13 posted on 01/11/2012 6:42:09 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

If it rains and the snow gets wet before they get it off their roofs.....


14 posted on 01/11/2012 6:42:37 AM PST by poindexter
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To: poindexter

To paraphrase crack-user, former “Mayor for Life” Marion Barry when confronted with why he was in the Virgin Islands “on official business” when WDC had an extreme snowstorm and the city was paralyzed “It’ll melt”.


15 posted on 01/11/2012 6:48:23 AM PST by hal ogen (1st Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: thackney

How do they get their solar panels to work with all that snow on their roofs?


16 posted on 01/11/2012 6:49:42 AM PST by AU72
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To: thackney

Yes, direct vs indirect measurement.

Shortest path is best, and generally more accurate.


17 posted on 01/11/2012 6:50:11 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: thackney

Ha, doesn’t seem just like a lefty reporter to complain about people not having snow shovels; I can see this guy has never shoveled any snow. I bet we have a dozen broken snow shovel handles laying around, we just use them as stakes in the garden and buy a few more 40 dollar ones at AIH every fall when in town.


18 posted on 01/11/2012 6:52:33 AM PST by Eska
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To: Paladin2
That’s why two story houses with a door to the porch were invented.

I believe that inspiration came from the invention of the two story outhouse.

Now that I think about it, I'd hate to be the first one to use the lower level once the snow had receded. Or the second, the third, etc...

19 posted on 01/11/2012 6:54:28 AM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: AU72

During winter in Alaska, with just a few hours of indirect sunlight, assuming no mountains to the south, a few feet of snow doesn’t make much difference.


20 posted on 01/11/2012 6:59:52 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
Sometimes engineers just make it hard. It's our nature.

LOL! I'm married to one and he always looks at the most difficult solution first. Has boggled my mind for 35 years! (and yes, I'm envoking bragging rights as to the longevity of my marriage. I've earned it! :D)

21 posted on 01/11/2012 7:02:03 AM PST by CAluvdubya (My preferred taglines are not in the running...)
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To: thackney

Probably harder selling solar panels in Alaska than air conditioners.


22 posted on 01/11/2012 7:10:05 AM PST by AU72
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To: Texas Fossil

From your PDF.
Whittier AK. 300 lb/ft!!!

From Wiki.
Whittier is a city in theValdez-Cordova Census Area, in the U.S. state ofAlaska.


23 posted on 01/11/2012 7:13:22 AM PST by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Hard to believe Whittier is higher than Valdez.

Whittier gets about 257 inches per year of snow with a max of 401.
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ak9829

Valdez gets about 287 inches per year of snow with a max of 550.
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ak9686

Nobody really lives at Thompson pass ~25 miles east of Valdez but they average 552 inches of snow per year with a max of 974.
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ak9146


24 posted on 01/11/2012 7:39:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

https://docs.google.com/viewer?pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESj1b0clhTkqh8CQ6UhW8xeO_aiZybdAd-s51NdhLtcaH67301Bi1Xmtqjy-nTf1N8GuV7vELZrwqM_VTYaDpabNDGvuQWfVlZBGR2a55NkBgAedauvFKeUgw0K-SGlzQIsjPNjx&q=cache%3AlGnfBJ5VXEQJ%3Atera-3.ul.cs.cmu.edu%2FNASD%2F4dcb85c3-9fee-4c83-9e6d-fe6ce5522b59%2FChina%2Fdisk1%2F33%2F05101161%2FPDF%2F00000031.pdf%20cabin%20with%20%22deep%20snow%22%20tower%20entrance&docid=7e4f537bd9bb8ac6fae48e263357fd7c&a=bi&pagenumber=1&w=800


25 posted on 01/11/2012 8:29:31 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

I can’t open the link...


26 posted on 01/11/2012 8:32:22 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Paladin2

27 posted on 01/11/2012 8:34:00 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: thackney

See # 27.


28 posted on 01/11/2012 8:38:26 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: thackney

Snowmobilers in the northeast would KILL for 10% of that on the ground right now...


29 posted on 01/11/2012 8:38:42 AM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Paladin2

I get the red X, I’ll try from home later. May be blocked at work.

Thanks


30 posted on 01/11/2012 8:51:46 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: who knows what evil?

10%? Yes, so would the folks in Cordova.

100% and you can’t get the sled out of the shed.


31 posted on 01/11/2012 8:52:54 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

It’s a picture of a shelter cabin with a deep snow tower entrance.


32 posted on 01/11/2012 8:56:02 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

Now you dun gone and spoiled the surprise for me...

;-)


33 posted on 01/11/2012 8:59:59 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I don’t know the area so it meant nothing to me.

and 300 lb/ft is a huge standard for snow load.

Wonder if Cordova typically gets less snow than Whittier AK?


34 posted on 01/11/2012 9:03:59 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: thackney

Reminds me of North Dakota last winter...


35 posted on 01/11/2012 9:06:03 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Texas Fossil

No.

Post 24
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2831423/posts?page=24#24


36 posted on 01/11/2012 9:08:20 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
AK skiing

AK skiing

37 posted on 01/11/2012 9:15:38 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: thackney

TNX


38 posted on 01/11/2012 9:28:45 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: thackney
No city can be expected to plan for that much snow. It would be like a Florida city being criticized for not planning for 200 inches of rain...
39 posted on 01/11/2012 9:35:24 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: thackney
Cordova out of shovels as snow tops 15 feet

So much for those "shovel-ready" projects Obama promised.

40 posted on 01/11/2012 9:38:38 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: thackney

thackney - funny how sometimes a moment like the one you described stays with us for a lifetime. Great story - thanks for sharing.

************************************************************

After a ridiculous amount of wasted time, figures of density calcs and such, the Process Chief, who had been silent this whole time, spoke up and said the current snow load on his roof was exactly XX.X lbs/sq ft and he wasn’t concerned (less than half of what should have been close to a limit).

We turned to him and said how do you know that?

He said yesterday he used a shovel, cut off 6” x 6” of snow, put it into a bucket and weighed it.

Sometimes engineers just make it hard. It’s our nature.


41 posted on 01/11/2012 9:44:10 AM PST by GOPJ (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: GOPJ

Valdez gets about 287 inches per year of snow with a max of 550.
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ak9686

Cordova isn’t that far away, but they get about 117 inches per year of snow with a max of 261.
http://www.wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/cliMAIN.pl?ak2177

This recent storm brought 42 inches of snow to the town. They didn’t get it all at once.


42 posted on 01/11/2012 9:45:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: GOPJ
I had a college professor, in an advanced class of power electrical engineering, recommend to us before we spent much time trying to fix a large non-working machine during our careers, we should always first check to see if it was plugged in.

It has been surprising how that thought process has saved many, many hours over the decades.

43 posted on 01/11/2012 9:48:32 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

414 inches since October 1st at Alyeska (Girdwood)


44 posted on 01/11/2012 10:11:25 AM PST by Species8472
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To: CAluvdubya

I’ve done a few projects with my Mechanical Engineer-Check that, University of Michigan Mechanical Engineer Brother in Law. One of them, he made so complex that to replace the bathtub plumbing fixture would have required removing a floor joist in the basement to do it his way. Finally, after listening to him drone on about how to do it, I said “just how many tub valves have you installed?” He replied “None.” I told him that I’ve done about a dozen of them and it’s time for him to get out of the way. In about 3 hours we were done.


45 posted on 01/11/2012 10:22:45 AM PST by cyclotic (People who live within their means are increasingly being forced to pay for people who didn't.)
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To: dfwgator
So much for those "shovel-ready" projects Obama promised.

Just gives Obama another excuse - not enough shovels!

46 posted on 01/11/2012 10:58:36 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Species8472

I miss a lot of things from Alaska, cleaning snow out of the driveway isn’t one of them, not even with 8 hp, track driver blower I had.


47 posted on 01/11/2012 11:15:24 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
"...cleaning snow out of the driveway isn’t one of them..."

Yeah but, you could buy one of these for your wife's birthday.


48 posted on 01/11/2012 12:09:18 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2
{to be said in an Australian accent}

That's not a snow blower. This is a snow blower:

I believe they still use one of these in Alaska.

49 posted on 01/11/2012 12:25:33 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney
I thought about that, but building a much larger garage and laying tracks and switches in the driveway/garage might be too much to get away with.

It'd likely be best to just build a snowshed for the driveway.

50 posted on 01/11/2012 3:28:00 PM PST by Paladin2
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