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62 Year old grandfather on vacation dies in Florida police custody
The Daily Mail ^ | 01/12/2012 | Lee Moran

Posted on 01/14/2012 12:01:24 PM PST by Duke of Qin

A mentally ill grandfather died after police officers strapped him naked to a chair, smothered him with a 'spit hood' and pepper-sprayed him 10 times during a 43-hour ordeal, it has been claimed.

Nick Christie, 62, was allegedly tortured in the 'Devil's Chair' at Lee County jail after being detained by Florida police officers in March 2009 following a 'mental breakdown'.

The hood, designed to stop him from spitting at officers, meant he could not escape the noxious spray's fumes - and he was never allowed to clean the residue from his body.

His family is now suing Lee County Sheriff's Department for 'wrongful death'.

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To: heartwood

And even if he was a young healthy-looking man, we’re not supposed to treat people like that in America.

41 posted on 01/14/2012 1:03:43 PM PST by heartwood
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To: Lazamataz

“Why the hell do we need to go to the British press to get any news any more?”

Good question. And I’m very leery of clicking the link because I’ve realized that all the bad viruses I’ve gotten have been after I’ve been to some brit paper site.

42 posted on 01/14/2012 1:06:34 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Same way those idiot jackboot sucking toadies always do.

43 posted on 01/14/2012 1:09:32 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Duke of Qin

This happened 2 1/2 years ago..

Except for Monshay Gibbs, who testified, none have been identified.

Who else was involved.

44 posted on 01/14/2012 1:09:49 PM PST by wolficatZ (:"TV is king, you're my everything..")
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To: donna

Well, for one thing, if he’s restrained and has a spit hood on, it’s hard to understand why pepper-spray would even come into the picture. What were they trying to accomplish by spraying him? Yeah, that’s a tough one to answer.

45 posted on 01/14/2012 1:10:52 PM PST by SuzyQue (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: LucyT

Thanks for the ping LucyT. I’m shocked, and confused as to what could possibly been their motive for such treatment of a man such as Mr. Christie. I can’t comment as I wasn’t there, but I did notice in the article that Mr. Christie went to Florida to visit his brother, and there was never again any mention of his brother in the article after he arrived in Florida. Only that he was in some Hotel, and his condition was unacceptable behavior, thus the police were called.

Wondering about his brother, and what happened that he wasn’t with him.

I’m certain we shall learn more in the future on this one. It seems the treatment was quite unnecessary, and vile to say the least. This man shouldn’t be dead at the hands of anyone much less trusted police officers serving a community.

46 posted on 01/14/2012 1:11:52 PM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: donna
"What are the proper procedures that police should follow in a case like this?"

There is no definitive answer here. I can only generalize about how we would handled it.

It is possible that we would have initially arrested him for being drunk in public. After a few hours he would have been released with no charges being filed. Our jurisdiction simply won't waste time going to court on drunk in public cases.

If he had gone back to the hotel, and had been arrested for trespassing, we would have cited him and told him not to go back. If he went back, we might have arrested him, and then the jail would have cited him right out again. And this could have happened several times. (Note here that our jurisdiction wouldn't have considered "trespassing" as something to incarcerate someone for a lengthy period of time without a court order.) Hopefully, at some point, and hopefully early, someone who had been told that he had mental health problems would have directed patrol or detention personnel to take him to the hospital and turned over to mental health personnel.

What was lacking in this case was compassion and common sense. And no amount of proper procedures training can be counted upon when common sense is lacking.

47 posted on 01/14/2012 1:12:38 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: MichaelP; All

Good God! How does this kind of thing still happen? You’d think it was 1940s Florida.

1940s Florida? I was thinking more along the lines of the 1930s Lubyanka in Moscow, or perhaps the Prinz-Albrecht-Straße in Berlin during the same time period.

This is insane, and the fact that apparently the DA thinks nothing is amiss tells me one must tread carefully when visiting Florida.

48 posted on 01/14/2012 1:13:27 PM PST by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Duke of Qin

Puts abu graib in perspective doesn’t it.

49 posted on 01/14/2012 1:14:55 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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50 posted on 01/14/2012 1:17:52 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: caveat emptor
The outcome sounds more like Baghdad under Saddam Hussein than the U.S. Or does it?

Baghdad under Saddam Hussein

America under Barack Hussein

A difference in degree, not in kind.

51 posted on 01/14/2012 1:20:25 PM PST by null and void (Day 1088 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Duke of Qin

Prayers for his family.

52 posted on 01/14/2012 1:26:11 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: LucyT

Comment #6. I have said this a hundred times if I said once. I even did blog post back in 07 I think because the Daily Mail had a wonderful piece on W with pictures of him with many wounded, amputees, and severely burned veterans. Not one story did I ever see in the AMERICAN press on what W did for veterans. In fact is was at Ft Hood right after the shooting and again that was reported in the Daily Mail.

The MSM in this country is EFFING disgusting. I can’t wait for NBC and the alike to go bankrupt!

53 posted on 01/14/2012 1:31:17 PM PST by GregNH (One Pissed Off Natural Born Citizen OPONBC)
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To: SuzyQue; Respond Code Three

Pepper-spray 10 times is clearly crazy.

But the hood and the initial handling and the chair all seem like proper training. I was just interested because I’ve watched that “Jail” show on TV and I’m surprised at how anything happens right. It’s a hard job.

Lockdown - County Jail (1/5)

54 posted on 01/14/2012 1:38:48 PM PST by donna (This is what happens when America is no longer a Christian nation.)
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To: Duke of Qin

“Tell the truth, warts and all” —the job of the press. BUT NOW, when you want to hear the REAL USA news, you must read a BRITISH newspaper.

Is it any wonder that the really huge scandals in the USA are now broken by former gift-shop clerks & high-school kids...?

When Abu Graib broke, the NYT carried it on page 1 above the fold for THIRTY-TWO CONSECUTIVE DAYS. For how long will we hear of Piss Gate?


When we get consistent coverage of the real news we will have TWO COMPLETELY SEPERATE MEDIA SYTEMS.

55 posted on 01/14/2012 1:41:39 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Peter from Rutland

I’ll toss in at least one Missouri State Reserve Trooper that is out of control in his civilian job. I never want to run into him with his tin star and sidearm with his temper and lack of judgement. I used to work for the nut for a short while.

56 posted on 01/14/2012 1:55:00 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Jeff Chandler

“You switched forces in mid story.”

I forgot not everyone lives in So Cal and doesn’t know that one of the Orange County cops was ex-LAPD.

When you’re a bad enough cop to actually get fired from the LAPD, you can go peddle your third-string services to any smaller city police force, such as Fullerton (the city in Orange County).

The cop in question was actually let go from the LAPD with a huge disability pension, almost a hundred percent of his salary, because of an injury. The thinking was he couldn’t be a cop anymore. Then he turns around and goes to work — as a patrol cop — for Fullerton.

So he’s a crook as well as a murderer.


57 posted on 01/14/2012 2:07:24 PM PST by Blue Ink
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To: Jeff Chandler
This sounds like one of the syllogisms in the Law School Admissions Test. The answer would be, Unh-uhn.
58 posted on 01/14/2012 2:13:23 PM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a United States Marine)
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To: LucyT; dsc
I support good cops and proper, constitutional procedures. I don’t ask that cops take unnecessary risks. However, this appears to be completely over the top.

Well-stated, dsc. Thanks for the ping, LucyT.

Condolences to Nick Christie's family and friends.

59 posted on 01/14/2012 2:15:04 PM PST by PGalt
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To: donna
Generalizing again, the hood is only supposed to be a temporary device. In my case, it would have been used while I was transporting someone to the jail. It would have been removed at the jail. Pepper spray is used to overcome resistance in order to get someone into custody. If someone is in custody, and restrained in a chair, further use of pepper spray is uncalled for, and is a definitely not to be used if a person is wearing a spit hood. In all cases of pepper spray or tear gas, we were trained to immediately wash the eyes out out with clean water. If we were outside, we faced the person into the wind after washing the eyes out. All of us had been exposed to tear gas and pepper spray during training, so all us knew what it was felt like when we used it. And if we delivered someone to the jail who had been tear gassed or pepper sprayed, we were required to notify the jail nurse.

A person who is combative can be strapped to a chair to prevent further assaults on detention personnel, and to try to prevent the person from hurting himself. Medical or detention personnel should remove the spit hood if they leave the room and the person is unattended.

I can't emphasize the word "generalize" enough though. The underlying issue in this case is the problem of mental illness. As it is, there is no definitive law enforcement solution to a person who keeps committing crimes, other than incarceration. And if the person has a mental health problem, the closest to solving the problem with that particular individual is the get him some mental health care. And even then, there is no guarantee that at some point he will not commit additional crimes, or harm himself or others.

In the case we are posting about, law enforcement personnel had the ample opportunity to make reasonable decisions, and it appears that some of them failed miserably.

60 posted on 01/14/2012 2:23:35 PM PST by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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