Skip to comments.Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 15 January 2012
Posted on 01/15/2012 5:31:02 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
The Talk Shows
January 15th, 2012
Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:
FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): GOP presidential candidate Rick Santorum.
MEET THE PRESS (NBC): OP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich; Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev.; Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Rep. Tim Scott, R-S.C.
FACE THE NATION (CBS): Santorum; Gingrich; Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C.
THIS WEEK (ABC): OP presidential candidate Rick Perry; TV host Stephen Colbert.
STATE OF THE UNION (CNN): GOP presidential candidate Rick Perry; TV host Stephen Colbert.
Yes,her name is Palin and his name was Reagan.
I was a young person during the Vietnam, very, very much affected by events there. I was also a liberal, yup, going to college and thinking myself so cool one needed a space heater to stand next to me.
I really believed all this stuff. If nothing else I cast jaundiced brain upon that which is reported by the impartial journalists of tyhis era.
Got me a new kitten for Christmas...I gave to husband, rescue from SPCA. Name is Gerald.
We might be a bit too old for kittenhood, including 9 year old dog and three cats, ages 12,10 and 7. For Gerald lives in a Gerald world and all of the Gerald world is about him.
He considers me needing his help with cooking and prepping meals, he figures he should inspect all trash cans, and while he likes this Gerald world in our house, he does not think there is enough food in this environment, maybe on the planet earth, to feed Gerald.
He is driving all of us nuts and yet every morning I hear his pounce as he comes out from wherever he is to greet me with a big Gerald smile in the Gerald world.
I don’t have the VA. links but there was a huge kerfuffle on here about it and one poster really laid out a great argument as to how VA. rinos in charge laid out a plan to exempt the other candidates and o.k.ed Mitts submission,and the very next day made changes to the rules. Dec. 15 as I recall.Lots to this thing in Va. I just don’t have the links handy.
Here is one of the links here from red state.
Fish honestly you’re guess is as good as mine.
This does nothing but signal to the Taliban and al-Qaeda that we are a toothless tiger...weak and ready to be attacked again.
“Yes,her name is Palin”
Your lips to God’s ears
Thanks for the explanation, Son House.
Speaking of Oprah.......Oprah’s bff, Gale King, did the CBS interview with Michelle complaining about being portrayed as the “angry, black woman” in Jodi Kantor’s book. I think Michelle not only chose Gale because they are friends (and would thus give a sympathetic interview), but because she made Michelle look trim. (Did I just write that?)
Agree, Miss Marple, too many voters are uninformed and are persuaded by some pretty unimportant factors.....looks being chief among those.
Newt does have a problem in that area. When he pops a quick smile, it doesn’t necessarily invoke a warm fuzzy feeling. He has great potential, IMO, in steering this country back to fiscal sanity. We’ll see how he does in SC.
Santorum, IMO, has less of a problem in that area. He’s nice looking, younger. His preachiness may turn off some folks, like you say, especially former obama voters.
Perry would likely be a good president, but he just hasn’t recovered from the earlier debates.
I’m with you, I’ll vote for my cat before I vote for obama. Just hope this primary process goes on long enough to shake things out so we get the best candidate. Establishment GOP wants things called for Romney now, even though he’s only received a few votes, for one reason only. He is most likely to keep the status quo they’ve counted on all these years.
Palin gets respect from the media? Since when?
MY friend, the battle for Iraq and Afghanistan is over. They both have been handed to our Muslim terrorist enemies by POTUS Barack Hussein Obama!!! Add the rest of the Middle East and North Africa to the lost list, courtesy of Obama and his “Muslim Brotherhood” brethren and you have a clear, correct picture of where POTUS Obama’s real loyaltys rest.
I feel so sorry and depressed for the many sacrifices of our supreme Military that Obama has tossed into the nearest garbage can. All that lost blood, treasure, devotion, dedication and love of America lost in a fleeting and planned moment of a leader determined to undermine America in every aspect. We are in Harm’s Way, America!!! Wake-up!!! God bless our military, I pray for you all every day I breathe!!! I also pray for this country of America every moment, for we are presently alive in a nightmare created by a non-American, Barack Hussein Obama!!!
Yeah, it’s hard to stay away from the what we think of as irrelevant stuff, and I didn’t want to make the direct comparison, but leave it up to the folks like Scheiffer and his Face the Nation, who are talking about that stuff as I think they missed the obvious, and possibly miss it on purpose.
This came in to me this morning so I’ll pass it along.
Subject: Rep. Allen West (R-FL)
West To Pundits & Armchair Quarterbacks: “Shut Your Mouth”
No doubt you have heard about the latest “Abu Ghraib” incident — a video of Marines allegedly urinating on the bodies of Afghan terrorists. Our media and political elites have offered their effusive apologies. As always, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) had some choice words of his own. Here is West’s statement, courtesy of our friends at The Weekly Standard:
“I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?
“The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter.
“As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.”
The pundits won’t like it. The Democrats won’t like it. The media/press won’t like it. So you’re right, there are some who will damn the Marines for pissing on the dead Taliban.
However, the American people will love it and smile while they laugh at those jerks who routinely disparage our military.
Yes, Virginia, such a person exists. She’s not running right now.
I keep hoping but I guess it’s too late.
OOOhh looks so good! Just about dinner time over there as well!
We call our Party people who vote on the leaders, Precinct People or Precinct Committee People. So it was the official County meeting.
Good catch, looks like Col West is getting tired of the double standard.One of us another for the terrorists.
Not sure about Bain, but most of these corporate raiders were there to divest the retirement programs due to the 16-20% returns they were getting from the dot com bubbles. They also provided a service of getting rid of obsolete industries like Steel and old manufacturing jobs that were being attacked by the gummit and being shipped overseas to more business friendly environments.
Capitalism will go where there are profits to be made and Bain was doing exactly that. Those stories would have happened with or w/o Bain or any other company. In reality they were a natural result of gummit regulation.
Pray for America
I agree but would add. IF Bain did anything wrong or questionable, what they did was still legal. If Democrats were not passing laws, rules and regulations that are totally screwy and choosing winners and losers, perhaps these companies outcome would have been different.
If there’s any blame or fault it’s NOT because of capitalism but due to Democrats (and a few Republicans) who created a system the way it is.
This victim defense by Romney reminds me of the “Republicans running negative campaign” tripe of past elections.
If Romney’s only defense of Bain & Romneycare is “no fair” what in the hell is he going to do in the general?
Obama ain’t gonna play fair Mitt and if crying foul is your only defense, you’re screwed. MSM won’t rush to your side to say poor Mitt, low blow. Nope, they’re gonna pile on for Obama and you will be exposed for the pathetic whiner you are. But even worse, we get Obama for the last Presidential term ever.
For this election cycle maybe...but there is still time.
What’s kind of crazy is that author’s book was predicting that the next great credit crisis will come from these private equity-owned firms (which 10% of the U.S. workforce works for). They supposedly got a reprieve because of the quantitative easing going on, but they could start defaulting on a mass scale at some point just like we’re seeing with the mortgage crisis. They are over-leveraged due to the private equity method of making them take out debt so the PE firm can extract dividends and fees. If the time comes that they cannot refinance their debt, they won’t survive. It would be seriously ironic if when that happened, we had as president the very man that pioneered the private equity model, “buyout baron” Mitt Romney. It would be like having Chris Dodd and Barney Frank as President and V.P. during the mortgage crisis.
It is similar to the mortgage crisis in another respect. The mortgage firms pushed loans on people who couldn’t afford them for 2 reasons, so they could extract fees for themselves, and because the government was implicitly backing those loans through Fannie and Freddie. The same kind of moral and economic hazard exists with the private equity firms. The PE firm is at little to no risk of losing money because the system pays for the bankrupty of their acquired firm and they don’t have to pay anything. Yet they are encouraged to put more and more firms into that position due to how easy it is to extract those fees for easy money. Supposedly their ability to do this has slowed down some due to credit tightening, but still 10% of the workforce is employed under this private equity model.
Excuse me for just a second but.......?
“I wish we had a Ryan/Rubio ticket.”
If we are not the Socialist State of America in 2016, perhaps we will.
“Bob plays the comments of Michelle complaining about being portrayed as an angry black woman. Jodi says she portrayed Michelle as a very strong woman.....why Michelle took offense is beyond her.”
ABob plays the comments of Michelle complaining about being portrayed as an angry black woman. Jodi says she portrayed Michelle as a very strong woman.....why Michelle took offense is beyond her.
Because Michelle is an ANGRY BLACK WOMAN... A VERY ANGRY BLACK WOMAN.
It all,Bain, looks like a scheme based on the tax code to me.I read your entire link and it was very revealing.Unless there is a huge counter to it I'm still with Newt.
Thanks again for some really good input I have not seen before.
It’s not like she herself didn’t say she’d never been proud of her country. Happy people aren’t normally ashamed of their country.
We shall see since Mitt has the same problem with a daddy being born in Mexico.
I would remind that a Raven will EAT a patriot and spit out the bones.
I’m jus’ sayin’.
You are wise beyond your youthful years.
This battle is part of a larger discussion of, in Henry Mannes phrase, the market for corporate control.
——I’m willing to hear the argument that the tax code allows or incentivizes strategies that are not aimed at the long term health of a company. This aligns with a conservative viewpoint that the tax code is too complex, destroys jobs and allows the government to screw up markets.
I was apoplectic however when Gingrich seemed to be taking up the Occupy Wall Street meme that capitalism is evil and Perry parroted it. If the tax law allows this behavior should we be demonizing those who use these tools?
Trying to communicate the evil of over-leveraging may be too complex for an election. Republicans need to be focusing on jobs when we all know that there are millions who have dropped out of the labor market. And we need to be focusing on downsizing government when we know that our government has become so large it is threatening.
Yeah but I still have to go to work every day.....
What have I been saying about him for years now on this forum? 80/20 all the time, at best.
In WWII at Guadalcanal, the Japanese used fear as a tactic by placing the severed heads of dead Americans on pikes and planting them around the Marine perimeter. This marked a change in the way we fought the Japanese for the rest of the war. Generally, the code of Bushido aside, we stopped taking prisoners even those who tried to surrender. We killed them and cared not a wit about their bodies or how they were handled. My father and this four brothers served in WWII including one who was a Marine who fought in the Pacific including on Tarawa. Others served in the Army at Anzio and Salerno. They weren't professionals.
We have the luxury of believing that we can adhere to some mythical higher standards because in recent wars our national survival was not at stake and we had such military and technological superiority that there was no possibility that the enemy could defeat us on the battlefield. We think we can fight these sterile, antiseptic "wars," which are really small compared to the massive battles of WWII or even Korea, limiting the deaths of civilians and adhering to some "higher standards." In WWII we had no problem as a nation fire bombing Tokyo, Dresden, Hamburg, etc. knowing full well that hundreds of thousands of civilians would be killed including women and children. In fact, that was the objective, to break their will and destroy their ability to make war. We demanded unconditional surrender.
Today our soldiers are still human who experience the same fears and anger of anyone who is facing an enemy who is trying to kill them. In many cases they are unseen planting IUDs and using suicide bombers. We know how brutal they are to Americans and before us, Russians. You just have to Google Afghanistan and beheadings and see how they shot videos of the beheadings of captured Russian soldiers. We saw what happened to the Blackwater contractors in Iraq or the bodies of our soldiers dragged through the streets in Somalia. Pissing on Taliban bodies has a cathartic effect. I have more of a problem with taking a video of what happened than the actual act. I don't condone what was done, but I understand it. Non-judicial punishment could be meted out, but I have a feeling that much more punishment will ensue to make an example out of these guys. If it hadn't been leaked, no pun intended, I would have done nothing to them except chewing them out.
I served a year in Vietnam including during Tet and an additional 8 months on a ship off the cost. The Viet Cong and NVA mutiliated Americans they captured and killed. I know that for a fact. We retaliated in various ways. And we had "war crimes" like My Lai. The public blamed the military for the war denigrating those who served. It was a sad chapter in this country's history.
It is not a matter of being better than the enemy. It is a matter of placing human beings into combat and believing that all of them will react like those who sitting back in their safe offices and homes believe they should. Allegedly, Orwell said, ""People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."
I despise Hillary Clinton and Panetta re their comments on the incident or people like Durbin, Kerry, and Murtha who are quick to condemn our troops. It reminds me Kiplings poem,Tommy aka ""The Queen's Uniform"
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
Thanks for you service to this country. I don't mean to lecture you, but I feel strongly that the political elites are destroying our armed forces by making them into a poltically correct organization that will weaken their ability to carry out their stated mission. And we are witnessing the beginning of a guns versus butter struggle that will see a hollowing out of the military so we can use the funding to prop up the collapse of the welfare state.
I cross posted your post because, well, it’s spot on.
Excellent insight there sir.
The only way I would be angry at these marines was if they missed.
Our Marines must have better aim than that, after all!!
Leverage is always the key to financial health or financial crash. Thanks for your clear explanations of how PE firms “play the game.”
The dotcom bubble didn’t cripple the country because most of the profits that were lost were not physical assets like a house or a car or a factory; they were stock market losses by millions of investors. Portfolios took the hit. People continued to live and work as before they had invested.
It is very different when banks/FannieFreddie/Congress “gave” millions of people an actual house to shelter them.
Yeah its sad the way the regime gets pass after pass and when our side commits one little error in the scope of things its all you can hear or read,really sick.