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Gingrich pitch to conservatives: Don't vote for Santorum
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ^ | 1/16/2012 | Shawna Shepherd

Posted on 01/16/2012 2:10:12 PM PST by TBBT

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (CNN) - Newt Gingrich delivered a staunch warning to South Carolina conservatives Monday: "Any conservative who votes for anyone but Newt helps elect a moderate as the nominee."

Gingrich was speaking to a tea party-friendly audience in South Carolina's Horry County when he painted presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney as unelectable in a general election.

"Ask yourself this simple question: Why would you want to nominate the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama?"

"The only reason [Romney] is electable right now is because he has raised more money from Wall Street to buy more ads than anybody else in the race, and we're not going to win that game," Gingrich said. "If you count how much money you can raise as the number one test of electability, Obama's going to drown him."

Gingrich has five days to drive home the message that Romney can't beat President Barack Obama. In order to stop the former Massachusetts governor's crushing momentum, Gingrich needs to rally conservatives behind him over competitor Rick Santorum, who has strong evangelical support and has fared better than the former House speaker in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"If you're a conservative, just look at the polls. I am the only candidate capable of stopping a moderate from winning the nomination," said Gingrich.

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: newt; santorum
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During a press availability Monday, Gingrich pointed out why he's a stronger candidate than the former Pennsylvania senator.

"Evangelical voters would like to have a nominee that will win a general election, and somebody who set the all time Pennsylvania record for the size of their defeat has a harder case to make as to why they could be elected," Gingrich told reporters.

"If you vote for Sen. Santorum, in effect you're voting for Gov. Romney to be the nominee because he's not going to beat him. And the only way you can stop Gov. Romney for all practical purposes is to vote for Gingrich. That's just a fact and it's a mathematical fact now."

Ok Santorum clingers... Tell me... If you are from S.C., or hypothetically were... What if the polls that come out on the eve of the S.C. primary show that Newt is within striking distance of Romney and Santorum is hopelessly way behind - what will you do then? Who will you cast your vote for? Would you still pull the lever for Santorum?

1 posted on 01/16/2012 2:10:22 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

Interesting strategy by Newt.


2 posted on 01/16/2012 2:13:16 PM PST by GraceG
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To: TBBT

Yea they would and then after Romney get’s the nomination we will listen to them bitch here for 10 months. Count on it.


3 posted on 01/16/2012 2:13:57 PM PST by mmanager (Reagan Revolution + Republican Revolution = Bury Obama in 2012 - Go Newt!)
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To: TBBT
"If you vote for Sen. Santorum, in effect you're voting for Gov. Romney to be the nominee because he's not going to beat him.

Yet Newt is trailing Santorum in the delegate count. Go figure. By Newt's reasoning, everyone should be voting for Santorum since he is closer to passing Romney. But then, logic is not Newt's strong suit.

4 posted on 01/16/2012 2:14:39 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: TBBT
Ok Santorum clingers... Tell me... If you are from S.C., or hypothetically were... What if the polls that come out on the eve of the S.C. primary show that Newt is within striking distance of Romney and Santorum is hopelessly way behind - what will you do then? Who will you cast your vote for? Would you still pull the lever for Santorum?

In that scenario, I would vote for Newt. In fact, I called a friend in SC, peeled him off of Ron Paul and on to Santorum, and told him the same thing.

I assume that if the situation is reversed, as it may well be in several northern states, that you would vote for Santorum.
5 posted on 01/16/2012 2:16:31 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (May Mitt Romney be the Mo Udall of 2012.)
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To: TBBT

Oddly enough, I can agree with that. Santorum is the closest we can get to a Theocrat. Can’t deal with that.


6 posted on 01/16/2012 2:16:40 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: TBBT

If you vote for Newt McGingrich, you are in essence voting for Rombama. No, it is not a fact. Nor is it a mathematical fact outside of the mind of the man that lost to the candidate he is dissing in the first two primaries and those of his cult-like followers.


7 posted on 01/16/2012 2:16:51 PM PST by Ingtar (If the GOP wants my vote, they should start fielding candidate for whom I can vote - Jemian)
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To: TBBT

Why vote for Newt who has less delegates than Newt. Newt hs been a disaster with regards to getting actual goes. He needs to go. A big talker with Zero results!


8 posted on 01/16/2012 2:18:08 PM PST by napscoordinator (Vote for the conservative with the most delegates, Santorum 2012!)
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To: napscoordinator

Uh, because we’re talking about a primary in a state where Santorum is far behind Newt.


9 posted on 01/16/2012 2:22:08 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: TBBT
Newt is right.

ARG South Carolina Poll: Romney 29, Gingrich 25 (Santorum 7)

ARG Florida Poll: Romney 42, Gingrich 25 (Santorum 9)

At this late point in the campaign, you are either all-in for Newt or you're okay with, or resigned to, Willard.

10 posted on 01/16/2012 2:22:27 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: TBBT

We may be Tea Party, constitutionalists, social & fiscal conservatives, but strategic geniuses? Um.... not so much. Zealots, maybe? And at all costs, never mind the math. We are Utopians now?


11 posted on 01/16/2012 2:22:56 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012/ Ron Paul is already Third Party, inside OUR Party.)
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To: Hoodat
Yet Newt is trailing Santorum in the delegate count. Go figure. By Newt's reasoning, everyone should be voting for Santorum since he is closer to passing Romney. But then, logic is not Newt's strong suit. Actually - as it appears - you're the one that has a problem with logic. Delegate count (and by extension Iowa and N.H.) at this point doesn't matter. To put it in perspective - Romney only has 20 of the 1144 delegates required to win. What matters at this point in the contest is what is right in front of us. When it comes to stopping Romney, S.C. and Florida are hugely important. In those two races, Santorum is the walking dead. Only Newt is currently in any position to mount a challenge to Romney.
12 posted on 01/16/2012 2:24:21 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

The primary voter who votes for who they “think” or are told can win instead of who they really want - throws away their vote.

They are letting the local and State political committees dictate who the party nominee will be.

The time for voters to “get behind” their party’s candidate is in the general election against the other party.

The time for every voter to vote for who they really want to see elected is in their party primary.

If the “machine” favorite still wins the primary, the spread of votes between the losing candidates...

will send a clear message to the party about what real, actual, live voters are wanting in that election cycle.

If every voter votes for the “machine” candidate in a primary - no one will ever know what was on the voter’s minds.

Electability is an issue left over from pre-television days when the parties ran extremely closed nominations, when one typically needed to be well-known in political circles to have any chance of being nominated.

The party and the media are desperately clinging to that capability - and using all sorts of bizarre manipulations to do so.


13 posted on 01/16/2012 2:24:25 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: TBBT
"Evangelical voters would like to have a nominee that will win a general election, and somebody who set the all time Pennsylvania record for the size of their defeat has a harder case to make as to why they could be elected," Gingrich told reporters.

This is actually a plus for Santorum. The election showed that Pennsylvania voters are loyal first and foremost to longtime Pennsylvanians. In that election between Casey, there were two and only two issues that were meaningful:

1. Bob Casey was the son of beloved former governor Robert Casey, Sr.
2. Rick Santorum doesn't even live in Pennsylvania, but is really from Virginia

In an election between Santorum and Obama, Pennsylvania voters will overwhelmingly choose Santorum.

And then there's Newton Leroy Gingrich who has never won statewide office in his life. People in glass houses . . .

14 posted on 01/16/2012 2:24:42 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: TBBT
"I am the only candidate capable of stopping a moderate from winning the nomination..."

Funny. Newt hasn't been able to prove this prior to the SC Primary. What is there to show that he can do it now?

Delegate count:

Mittens 14

Paul 10

Santorum 7

Gingrich 2

Perry 2

Huntsman 2

15 posted on 01/16/2012 2:25:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: TBBT

Geeeze....what do we have...?

Newt, Santorum, Perry?

Pathetic....but still better than Willard...and a gazillion times better than zer0bama.


16 posted on 01/16/2012 2:25:49 PM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Dr. Sivana
"peeled him off of Ron Paul and on to Santorum"

You must be a silver tongued devil! Santorun is against just about everything Paul is for. Newt is far closer to Paul on issues. If I ever need a lawyer I am calling you, you are good!

17 posted on 01/16/2012 2:26:00 PM PST by jpsb
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To: mmanager

but now is much more fun..we get to listen to the newtters bitch


18 posted on 01/16/2012 2:26:00 PM PST by skaterboy (Hate=Love....Love=Hate)
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To: TBBT

Sure I would.

Because if the facts were all the same, but Santorum and Gingrich’s place in the polls were reversed and Santorum was within striking distance of Romney, you would still pull the lever for Newt.

How do I know this? Simple: IA. Newt was clearly in a freefall and Santorum was rising. The smartest thing to do would have been for the Newt people here to cut their IA losses and support Santorum en masse that would have given him a clear victory over Romney. Even if just 1/2 of the Newt voters in IA had jumped to Santorum, that would have been enough to cut off whatever momentum the media has been trying to generate out of Romney’s “8-vote” victory and “back-yard” landslide.

So why should Santorum voters play ball when the Newt voters didn’t?


19 posted on 01/16/2012 2:26:20 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: elkfersupper
"Santorum is the closest we can get to a Theocrat. Can’t deal with that."

A fair assessment, and there is not a chance we'll ever have to "deal with that." Moderates wont touch it.

But Moderates do like common sense, and no one does common sense better than Newt.

20 posted on 01/16/2012 2:27:14 PM PST by moehoward
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To: Hoodat
True enough Santorum won some delegates in Iowa....what has it gotten him? He's in single or near single digits in SC. Newt is still kicking and still the smartest one in the room. Rick Santorum has seen his Zenith come and go. Newt has survived the most negative barrage in the race so far and is right at Romney's heals. He is the last best chance to beat Romney....sadly I don't think the supporters of the other candidates will ever admit it!!
21 posted on 01/16/2012 2:27:37 PM PST by ontap
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To: Servant of the Cross

Time for Newt and Rick to unite...

Newtorum that lib from Massachusetts!


22 posted on 01/16/2012 2:28:23 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: napscoordinator

>>A big talker with Zero results!

You got that right, a legend in his own mind.


23 posted on 01/16/2012 2:28:46 PM PST by qwerty1234
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To: Servant of the Cross

Sorry, poll numbers will not convince me to vote for someone who promises to keep parts of Obamacare. Will I vote for Willard? Hell no. But I won’t vote for McNewt either. But rest assured, if Newt wins the nomination, get ready for another four years of Obama.


24 posted on 01/16/2012 2:28:46 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: napscoordinator

>>A big talker with Zero results!

You got that right, a legend in his own mind.


25 posted on 01/16/2012 2:29:17 PM PST by qwerty1234
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To: TBBT

Newt is right, dead right.

GO NEWT GO..........


26 posted on 01/16/2012 2:29:29 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Santorum is too stupid to understand the damage he has done recently. He actually thinks he is winning.
He will stay in out of spite to the bitter end. And we can thank the fools in Iowa for getting this all started.

Romney had a plan; Split the Conservative vote, win by default. Rick Santorum, the “DEFAULT” Paleo “conservative”.

And with the help of the knee jerker “perfect conservative” Lemming stampede, it looks like Romney is headed for the nomination.

27 posted on 01/16/2012 2:30:17 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: TBBT
The only reason [Romney] is electable right now is because he has raised more money from Wall Street to buy more ads than anybody else in the race

Nope. The only reason is everyone to be the alternative to Romney. Gosh... would Newt forgo money from the Wall Street?

28 posted on 01/16/2012 2:30:59 PM PST by paudio (0bama is like a bad mechanic who couldn't fix your car - he just makes it worse. Get somebody else!)
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To: TBBT

Go Newt!


29 posted on 01/16/2012 2:31:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Your chart so ably proves that, at this point, NO ONE should drop out. SC only has 25 delegates, ALASKA has 27. Florida only has 50 delegates, Tennessee has 58.

I am hopeful ALL candidates right through Super Tuesday. Let’s give everyone, not just IA NH, et al, a full slate of choices.


30 posted on 01/16/2012 2:31:49 PM PST by magritte
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To: TBBT

People not voting for Newt Gingrich are voting for Obama.

Do I need to spell it out?


31 posted on 01/16/2012 2:32:26 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: parksstp
So why should Santorum voters play ball when the Newt voters didn’t?

Because when it comes to following standards, Newt supporters are as consistent as Mitt Romney.

32 posted on 01/16/2012 2:32:36 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“you are either all-in for Newt or you’re okay with, or resigned to, Willard.”

AND those okay and resigned to Willard, they are likewise okay and resigned to allowing Obama the win.


33 posted on 01/16/2012 2:34:31 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: Hoodat

Santorum won’t win PA.

However, why does everyone have memory loss when it comes to 2006.

Santorum lost in 2006 for the same reason all the other Republicans that year lost. Conservatives and Republicans in general decided not to show up at the polls and “teach” the GOP a lesson. Even though people like Santorum or George Allen didn’t cause the anger that resulted, they got caught up in it unfortunately when they were up for re-election. Santorum lost because of the boycott + he was running against a native son. That equates to an 18 point blowout that everyone wants to paint on Santorum as proof he isn’t viable. Like it was his fault the voters didn’t show up. He could have done everything right in 2006 and the mood of the conservative voters would have still screwed him.

People need to stop pretending 2006’s loss was due to something on the part of Santorum when it was clearly in fact not. Even George Allen, after being “macaca’ed” should have still won his race, but lost. 2006 was a boycott year.


34 posted on 01/16/2012 2:34:45 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: TBBT
Would you still pull the lever for Santorum?

One of the reasons is that Gingrich would be one of the weakest presidential candidates ever. Obama's smear machine will chew him up and spit him out. He has a sordid past, has historically been unlikeable, even to Republicans let alone independents, and his ties to liberal positions on the most pressing issues of our times will come back to haunt him and will be ammunition for Obama and the media.

I just can't see the general electorate warming up to a candidate Gingrich, especially during a dirty, scandal unveiling a day, campaign.

35 posted on 01/16/2012 2:34:45 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Gator113

Sorry, I’m not buying that false dilemma. Besides, if Newt wins the nomination, then enjoy another four years of Obama. Newt has never even won statewide office before.


36 posted on 01/16/2012 2:36:41 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: TBBT

Newt might actually be useful if he wrote speeches and served as Santorum’s debate coach. As it is, he is just another giant ego mud-wrestling another giant ego.


37 posted on 01/16/2012 2:37:15 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"Rick Santorum, the “DEFAULT” Paleo “conservative”.

Santorum is NO paleo conservative, not even close. He's a social conservative with a neocon foreign policy.

38 posted on 01/16/2012 2:38:01 PM PST by jpsb
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To: TBBT

I am going to watch the debate tonight, thankfully without huntsman on the stage, and will probably make up my mind then. Snatorum is a great guy and I was hoping he would fare better, but since Iowa, he has become a streetcorner preacher. It’s a bit disconcerting.
In Iowa he did not step up to take on romney for the lying ads against Gingrich, but he jumped right on Gingrich in SC for airing the bain shot at romney as if he was a saint. I don’t want a saint for president. Now we see what his reward from romney has been, haven’t we, Rick?
Now that the lies are airing about him, he thinks that is just so unfair. Well, why was it fair against Gingrich in Iowa then, because Rick, those nasty ads were the only reason you won.
I am pretty upset at ALL of these guys. But G-d ain’t going to send us the perfect candidate no matter how hard we pray.
If we have to choose one or the other, I want the fighter. I want him fighting from the time he opens his eyes in the morning until he closes his eyes at night, and tomorrow, I want him to do it again.
Show me some fight, Rick, or it’s over.


39 posted on 01/16/2012 2:38:24 PM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: TBBT

Seeing many reasons here why Romney is unstoppable.


40 posted on 01/16/2012 2:40:14 PM PST by TBBT
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To: magritte
NO ONE should drop out.

I totally agree. Even if Mittens wins a bunch of states, this Proportional Delegate scheme the RNC has in place keeps 2nd and 3rd place finishers in contention. The GOP designed this thing to keep the Primaries going longer. Why not oblige them. You don't see Paul looking at bailing. He sees this new set up as a strategy to force a brokered convention. Even if Mittens rolls into the Convention with all the delegates he needs, using arcane rules about the 4 Caucus states, a candidate can force a Brokered Convention right off the bat and then all bets are off.

41 posted on 01/16/2012 2:40:58 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: TBBT

The primaries are over, folks.

Unless Newt and Santorum miraculously join forces somehow, Romney is the GOP nominee (and by implication, Obama wins reelection).

This is it. Mark your calendars—Jan 21st, 2012. The de facto date which ushered in 4 more years of Obama.


42 posted on 01/16/2012 2:41:17 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: jpsb
His fiscal policy is even more pathetic. Proven fact.........Santorum is a disaster. He will cause us to lost this in several ways.
43 posted on 01/16/2012 2:41:27 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

How is that true? McGingrich would lose badly to Obama, as would Rombama. Why should I pick either of these Moderates pretending to be Conservatives? (Before you try to trot out Newt in 1994, remember the crazy/bad things Newt has done in only the last three years).


44 posted on 01/16/2012 2:42:00 PM PST by Ingtar (If the GOP wants my vote, they should start fielding candidate for whom I can vote - Jemian)
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To: TBBT

Today’s ARG Florida 2012 GOP Primary Poll

Among Men

•Newt Gingrich 34% : )
•Mitt Romney 30%
•Rick Santorum 10%
•Ron Paul 7%
•Rick Perry 0% :~(
•Undecided 10%

Among Women

•Mitt Romney 56%
•Newt Gingrich 14%
•Rick Santorum 8%
•Ron Paul 8%
•Rick Perry 6%
•Undecided 6%


45 posted on 01/16/2012 2:44:20 PM PST by CainConservative (Newt/Santorum 2012 with Cain, Huck, Petraeus, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Bachmann in Newt's Cabinet)
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To: TBBT
You mean a moderate, like someone that would believe in mandates, cap and trade, global warmer, and nancys couch friend. Etc, etc, that kind of moderate. Ok, I will vote for conservative Santorum, thanks for the heads up.
46 posted on 01/16/2012 2:49:24 PM PST by org.whodat (What is the difference in Newt's, Perry's and Willard's positions on Amnesty.)
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To: CainConservative; All

Newt on Hannity radio show now...


47 posted on 01/16/2012 2:50:00 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
"Santorum is a disaster."

I agree, my only point is that he is not a paleocon. He is a big government social conservative with a noecon foreign policy. Much closer to the neocans then the paleocons. If there is a paleocon in the race it's Paul.

48 posted on 01/16/2012 2:51:25 PM PST by jpsb
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To: GraceG

Rick S. is a political walking dead man in Florida.

Stubborness and wanting purity is the problem. Newt’s past which I can look over in stopping the GOP in having another McCain. The people putting all of their hopes in Romney will see that they made a wrong decision. There are all kinds of warnings.


49 posted on 01/16/2012 2:51:59 PM PST by Christie at the beach
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To: Ingtar

“If you’re a conservative, just look at the polls. I am the only candidate capable of stopping a moderate from winning the nomination,” said Gingrich.


50 posted on 01/16/2012 2:53:39 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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