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Gingrich pitch to conservatives: Don't vote for Santorum
politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ^ | 1/16/2012 | Shawna Shepherd

Posted on 01/16/2012 2:10:12 PM PST by TBBT

Myrtle Beach, South Carolina (CNN) - Newt Gingrich delivered a staunch warning to South Carolina conservatives Monday: "Any conservative who votes for anyone but Newt helps elect a moderate as the nominee."

Gingrich was speaking to a tea party-friendly audience in South Carolina's Horry County when he painted presidential frontrunner Mitt Romney as unelectable in a general election.

"Ask yourself this simple question: Why would you want to nominate the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama?"

"The only reason [Romney] is electable right now is because he has raised more money from Wall Street to buy more ads than anybody else in the race, and we're not going to win that game," Gingrich said. "If you count how much money you can raise as the number one test of electability, Obama's going to drown him."

Gingrich has five days to drive home the message that Romney can't beat President Barack Obama. In order to stop the former Massachusetts governor's crushing momentum, Gingrich needs to rally conservatives behind him over competitor Rick Santorum, who has strong evangelical support and has fared better than the former House speaker in Iowa and New Hampshire.

"If you're a conservative, just look at the polls. I am the only candidate capable of stopping a moderate from winning the nomination," said Gingrich.

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: newt; santorum
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To: Lazlo in PA

Huh, you sound like a Paulbot. After all, he got the most votes so far outside of Romney.


51 posted on 01/16/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

How is voting for Gingrich going to stop a moderate? Voting for one moderate over the other still means you are voting for a moderate.


52 posted on 01/16/2012 2:56:57 PM PST by Ingtar (If the GOP wants my vote, they should start fielding candidate for whom I can vote - Jemian)
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To: TBBT

Shorter TBBT:

Everybody please drop out so that Newt- the guy who finished fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire- can have a chance to win...


53 posted on 01/16/2012 2:58:28 PM PST by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: napscoordinator

You even ‘talk’ like Santorum. You need your oil checked. And you speak of zero results? LOL! It’s obvious, Newt goes way over your head!


54 posted on 01/16/2012 2:58:36 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: gogogodzilla
Huh, you sound like a Paulbot.

Not ever. I'm the token Santorum guy at FR. Just ask around.

55 posted on 01/16/2012 2:59:00 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: elkfersupper
Santorum is the closest we can get to a Theocrat.

IMHO...

Government assault on religion is currently a much worse problem than government forcing religion on people.

Santorum is decidedly not a theocrat.

Case in point: I am a Reformed Protestant. Santorum is a Roman Catholic.

If one listens to some of the public vitriol between a very small percentage of people in those two groups - literally a handful of people - one would surmise that a Reformed Protestant would be screeching in terror at the thought of a Roman Catholic - who actually takes his professing of the Christian faith seriously - as President.

Nothing could be further from the truth. First of all, no sensible person thinks that he would be able to require citizens to convert to Roman Catholicism - such talk is rubbish. Secondly, any Christian who obviously and publicly lives his faith would be seen as a great help to the nation by any other Christian who does the same.

As far as those Americans who are not actively living according to the Bible, many of those poor souls are concerned about a President and Congress who might do even the smallest thing to curtail illicit pleasures in even the slightest way.

To such "patriot" citizens, it is not their God, first, nor their country, nor even their family. They only get riled up when the open immorality is threatened. This is exactly what is ingrained into them by the left-wing news media, entertainment media, public schools and universities. These modern-day "patriots", unlike those from the founding of America, howerver, are not "fighting for freedom" as our patriot forefathers did, but "fighting" for the cause of immorality, of all things. What person in their right mind would value preserving their option to engage in immorality so much that they would sooner vote for a person like Obama for President ?

Not wanting to give one inch, for fear they might have to on day be faithful to their spouses and live like responsible adults instead of misbehaving children, they fear any politician who does not come across like Bill Clinton, for whom anything was acceptable as long as you're not held accountable by anyone or any thing.

IMHO, America has slipped quite enough into immoral thought and behavior, and more of the same will doubtless produce even more failure and suffering.

To say that somehow a President Santorum would become an "evil dictator" and "force" his brand of morality on every American is to buy into the myth of the far left hook, line and sinker.

What the far left fears is that a President Santorum might appoint conservative judges, might veto their left-wing legislation, or just might balk at the idea of letting corrupt banksters loot the Treasury. And perhaps he might inspire Americans just a bit to think that maybe being good is not all that bad.

IMHO.
56 posted on 01/16/2012 2:59:01 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: CainConservative

“Among Men

•Newt Gingrich 34% : )
•Mitt Romney 30%

Among Women

•Mitt Romney 56%
•Newt Gingrich 14%”

Sorry, FReeperettes, but it’s polls like this that make me think the 19th amendment was ill-considered.


57 posted on 01/16/2012 2:59:23 PM PST by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Christie at the beach

Santorum would be better off offering his support to NEWT for a chance of VP or Cabinet position in a Gingrich administration.


58 posted on 01/16/2012 2:59:23 PM PST by GraceG
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To: Christie at the beach
There are all kinds of warnings.

And there were for those who voted for Barry. Shows both sides have their heads up the butts of the media and can't think for themselves.
59 posted on 01/16/2012 3:02:24 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: PieterCasparzen

I swear this campaign seems like it’s taken right out of a scene in Monty Python’s “Life of Brian”.

Brian Are you the Judean People’s Front?
Reg —— off.
Brian What?
Reg Judean People’s Front. We’re the People’s Front of Judea. Judean People’s front, caw.
Francis Wankers.
Brian Can I join your group?
Reg No. Piss off.
Brian I didn’t want to sell this stuff. It’s only a job. I hate the Romans as much as anybody.
PFJ Sssh. Ssssh, sssh, sssh, ssssh
Judith Are you sure?
Brian Oh. Dead sure... I hate the Romans already.
Reg Listen. If you really wanted to join the PFJ, you’d have to really hate the Romans.
Brian I do.
Reg Oh yeah? How much?
Brian A lot!
Reg Right. You’re in. Listen. The only people we hate more than the Romans are the ......... Judean People’s Front.


60 posted on 01/16/2012 3:04:32 PM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: napscoordinator; Ingtar
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Gentlemen,


I presume that some of Newt's "cult-like" followers include both Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, who BOTH agreed with Newt that TRUE ECONOMIC GROWTH comes after:

1) Corporate and Personal Taxes are LOWERED

2) Government Regulations are SCALED-BACK

3) U.S. Domestic Energy Production is ENCOURAGED



Another famous "Newt-Cult-Member" ... "Tip" O'Neil (All Politics are Local) ... a Yellow-Dog-Kennedy-Style Democrat ... also went along with Newt Gingrich's IDEAS turned into ACTION ... and RESULTS ... 16 million new Jobs created with the HMajor Leadership of Newt Gingrich ...

Newt Gingrich ... THEN ... pissed-off the Nantucket GOP Elite (Bush-41) when he STOOD HIS GROUND when Bush-41 STUPIDLY lied (broke his promise) and RAISED TAXES ...

... against Newt Gingrich's political warnings ....

That's WHY Bush-41, Juan McCain and the other politicallly "go-along-get-along" GOP RINOs despise Newt Gingrich ...

... and of course ... LOVE ... Mitt Romney ...




Heard any Mormom-LDS jokes on television lately ?

Dave Letterman, Saturday Night Live, Comedy Central ?




Just wait ... their liberal writers (anti-whatever-religion-except-islam) are RIGHT NOW composing VOLUMES of derogatory anti-Mormon INEUENDO and (very bad) jokes ...

Then ... "if" ... Mitt Romney wins the GOP noomination ... THEN you'll hear "every" form of anti-Mormon humor EVER devised ... for SIX straight months ...

Mormom ritual underwear, secret handshakes, becoming mini-gods someday in eternity, ceremonies for the dead, MULTIPLE WIVES ...




The MSM "first goal" will be to ALIENATE the GOP's "Christian Evangelical" voters AGAINST Romney ... AND THEY WILL BE SUCCESSFUL ...

and "whateever" you think that you heard Rick Perry and Pastor John Hagee say against Mormons ... that will be CHILD's PLAY compared to what the Liberal-MSM will do to Mormons ...




Now let's talk "Wall Street Finances" ... and the 2012 Presidential election ...

George Soros, Axelrod and Obama ... all CREATED O.W.S. almost exactly one-year prior to the Presidential Election ...

They "stage-managed" OWS ... promoted it (generously) by MSM propaganda ... and then KILLED-IT ... after a DESIGNED period of time ...

Why ?

To promote Class Warfare ...

Why ?

Because they were "grooming" (greasing-the-skids) for a Mitt Romney GOP Candidacy ...

Mitt Romney ... "Mr. Venture-Vulture Capitalist" ... Mr. $ 190 Million in the Bank ... INCLUDING SECRET OFFSHORE ACCOUNTS ... that Romney's afraid to release records for ...




I don't care if Ronald Reagan RESURRECTS from the DEAD and ENDORSES Mitt Romney ...

Obama's Billion Dollar Nazi-Propaganda Campaign will DESTROY any hopes for Mitt Romney's Presidential Candidacy.

Period.





Closing Arguments ....

ALL Conservatives AGREE with Dr. Winkie (Ron Paul) that the Federal Reserve is a complete DISASTER ...

Whom do YOU TRUST to "fire-terminate" Fed Chairman Ben Bernache on Day-One of his Presidentcy ?

Mitt "Wall-Street Bain-Capital Tycoon" Romney ... or ... Newt Gingrich ?




Whom do YOU TRUST to AUDIT (with extreme prejudice) the Federal Reserve on Day-One of his Presidentcy ?

Mitt "Wall-Street Bain-Capital Tycoon" Romney ... or ... Newt Gingrich ?




You Gentlemen may label me a "Newt Cult-Member" ...

and I'll RAISE A TOAST to that ... and Ronald Reagan will join me ...

for any Reagan-Conservative President who promises these SPECIFIC ACCOMPLISHMENTS in his Presidentcy ...


1) Abolish the EPA
2) FIRE Federal Reserve Banker Bernacke
3) Actively protect America against Isalmic Jihad

4) Prayer in the Public Schools -- RETURNED
5) Liberal (Activist) Federal Judges REMOVED

6) Business Corporate Tax Rate LOWERED to 12-percent
7) Individuals to have FLAT-TAX option at 15-percent

8) Promote U.S. Energy Independence -- DOMESTICALLY


9) Build EFFECTIVE U.S. Border Protection by 2015
10) Illegal Immigrants (especially violent gangs) DEPORTED
11) "English" established as the ONLY official language of the U.S. Government


12) U.S. Military "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ... RE-INSTATED
13) U.S. Military weapon design-procurement cycle reformed


14) Democratic "Dodd-Frank" Legislation REPEALED
15) Democratic "Sarbanes-Oxley" Legislation REPEALED





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61 posted on 01/16/2012 3:04:51 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Ingtar

Let’s see who is the most supported conservative on FR...

Jim Robinson recently took an FR poll, 20% support Santorum, 20% support Perry and 60% support Gingrich.


62 posted on 01/16/2012 3:05:33 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Lazlo in PA

The point is that you argue that we must vote for the candidate with the most votes outside of Romney and who not a moderate (ie: any other candidate outside of Huntman, who just dropped out).

And based off your chart, that’s Paul. He’s definitely no moderate... and has more votes than Santorum.

Which means your argument for Santorum falls flat.


63 posted on 01/16/2012 3:05:45 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: All

Santorum is the only semi-viable conservative left. Newt is now masquerading as a conservative - 1) Attacking Romney from the LEFT regading Bain; 2) Global Warming (Pelosi); 3) Support for individual mandate; 4) Fannie Mae (He still hasn’t provided a coherent reply regardng this disgrace - “historian” my a$$). I’m sure I’m forgetting something, but that is plenty.


64 posted on 01/16/2012 3:06:03 PM PST by PAR
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To: TBBT

I’d vote for Santorum because Santorum outperformed the polls in Iowa. I think we’ll see some surge of support. If Newt loses, it will be because of Newt, no one else.

Regardless, Newt will not be the nominee.

In this campaign, he has shown the same style of leadership that made him a disaster as Speaker of the House. His character has not changed. I’d rather have Romney than the albatross of Gingrich.


65 posted on 01/16/2012 3:09:46 PM PST by Keyes2000mt (Conservative Podcast: The Truth and Hope (http://www.truthandhope.2truth.com))
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To: elkfersupper
Santorum is the closest we can get to a Theocrat.

I'm closer. I am a Theocrat. (Of course I'm not running for anything.)

66 posted on 01/16/2012 3:15:28 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Weren’t you for Santorum before Santorum was cool?


67 posted on 01/16/2012 3:18:27 PM PST by magritte
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To: PAR

>> I’m sure I’m forgetting something <<

Yep, you forgot about:

1. Right-wing social engineering.

2. Newt’s serial adultery.

3. $300,000.00 worth of ethical violations.


68 posted on 01/16/2012 3:27:33 PM PST by Hawthorn
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To: PieterCasparzen
I am not going to engage in a word battle with any of you zombie-god people.

I am going to do whatever it takes to get Obama out of the oval office.

69 posted on 01/16/2012 3:27:56 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Christie at the beach

Santorum will not fly at all in Florida. We have had numerous earnest and religiously pure candidates like him for state office and they never get off the ground outside of a few sparsely populated rural counties.

Like it or not, people in Florida want a non-preachy grown-up with intelligent, practical ideas. That’s why the unlikeable Rick Scott got elected...but heck, he’s doing a good job, and even people who didn’t like him are now coming around.

Santorum has no chance here. Perry (whom I initially liked) will lose badly in SC and nobody wants to vote for the bottom of the heap. So that leaves only Gingrich.


70 posted on 01/16/2012 3:28:58 PM PST by livius
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To: Hoodat

Hoodat, I know from your posts over the years that I won’t be able to change your mind. I also know that you don’t take ‘lip’ any more than I do (LOL), so I won’t even try.

I want a strong leader, with a proven record of accomplishments and a clear vision for our future. I am not looking for a Reverend, Priest or Rabi or some weirdo mormon. I want a president that will turn this country around intelligently and quickly.

I am not looking for an alter boy. I don’t want poor-boy sweaters and deer eyes, I want a fighter— a man that can eviscerate Obama.

I will continue to support the one man that I believe in my heart and head has the experience and proven abilities necessary to turn this country around and set the course for my children and grandchildren to have a better future........ that man is Newt Gingrich.

GO NEWT GO.........


71 posted on 01/16/2012 3:31:47 PM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

But what will Newt say next week?


72 posted on 01/16/2012 3:43:24 PM PST by Ingtar (If the GOP wants my vote, they should start fielding candidate for whom I can vote - Jemian)
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To: Ingtar

“But what will Newt say next week?”

Gingrich supporters should think really hard about this - I could live with Gingrich’s other issues given the alternatives, but his unpredictable behavior and unchecked, undisciplined ego are ultimately why I will now vote Santorum in the primary. I can just see it now - Gingrich wins the nomination and a month later says something so stupid and undisciplined he severly hurts his chances of winning - but at that point we are stuck with him... and Obama.


73 posted on 01/16/2012 3:55:24 PM PST by PAR
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To: ontap

I love the Santorum yahoos who point to the delegate count and say Newt should drop out. If the Iowa Republican Caucus was anything like the real world then we would all be arguing about whether we wanted to replace President Huckabee after only 4 years.


74 posted on 01/16/2012 3:56:02 PM PST by azcap (Who is John Galt ? www.conservativeshirts.com)
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To: azcap

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203413304577086824255350642.html?KEYWORDS=peggy+noonan


75 posted on 01/16/2012 4:05:18 PM PST by PAR
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To: PAR

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203833104577072812757977898.html?KEYWORDS=peggy+noonan

Excerpt:

“He often seems to be playing a part in a historical novel he’s dictating in his mind—Newt the underdog, Newt the visionary. He has a compulsion to be interesting, which accounts for some of his overheated language—things are always decayed, corrupt, sick, catastrophically tragic.

He also often sounds like a cable TV political analyst, which he’s been for the past decade. He appraises his own candidacy instead of just being the candidate. The race used to be between “Mitt and Not Mitt,” but now it is between “Newt and Not Newt,” he says. He is “the only one who can win.” This week in South Carolina: “I’m the one candidate who can bring together national-security conservatives and economic conservatives and social conservatives.”

Candidates should let other people say that; serious candidates should let voters say it to exit pollsters. He shouldn’t be making the grubby bottom-line calculations, he should be making an elegant case for his leadership.”


76 posted on 01/16/2012 4:10:20 PM PST by PAR
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To: Utmost Certainty
" Uh, because we’re talking about a primary in a state where Santorum is far behind Newt. "

Well, well, well, will you listen to that..... yeah, according to polls that you, the Newt supporters have hypocritically bashed and will bash if your guy Newt was not in the lead...
Yeah, Newt up in the polls, good.. Newt is going to win,,, Newt down in the polls, fake polls, bad polls, the polls are not accurate....

The question that was asked was trusting in a lot of IFs..... but what if ? Rick Santorum were to actually win SC ? would you Newt supporters support him instead ?
Even if Santorum were to win SC and Florida we would still hear Newt supporters keep yelling for Santorum to drop out....

I HOPE by the grace of God that Rick Santorum will win SC to shut you guys up.
77 posted on 01/16/2012 4:10:37 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Wow well said my FRiend I couldn’t have put it better myself. All the pro- SanBoremers Need to wake the hell up. He doesn’t stand a chance against Conmey! Stop being dense and do the RIGHT thing. Vote Newt.


78 posted on 01/16/2012 4:14:56 PM PST by Conservative Patriot86 (Gingrich/Palin 2012!!.....Go Newt Go.....)
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To: gogogodzilla
The point is that you argue that we must vote for the candidate with the most votes outside of Romney and who not a moderate

Not any candidate that isn't moderate. I argue for the most electable Conservative. Paul is no Conservative. He is a straight up Libertarian using the GOP apparatus to further his goals because the existing Libertarian Party is a shambles and a joke. Plus the Libertarians probably don't want to have anything to do with Paul after his campaign stole money from them in '88.

79 posted on 01/16/2012 4:15:16 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Qbert
Everybody please drop out so that Newt- the guy who finished fourth in Iowa and fifth in New Hampshire- can have a chance to win...

That effectively is the totality of their argument. When Santorum is polling higher, then they say it's Santorum's fault that Mitt is going to be the nominee and urge his supporters to switch to Newt. But when Newt is polling higher, they say it's Santorum's fault that Mitt is going to be the nominee and urge his supporters to switch to Newt. Logic goes in the trash.

80 posted on 01/16/2012 4:15:27 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: livius
" Like it or not, people in Florida want a non-preachy grown-up with intelligent, practical ideas. "

Hey ? get the facts bud, if it were not for the Christian folks and their God, the God of Israel, you would not have a UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.... so stop bashing the Evangelicals... ok ? got it ?
The Christians, Evangelicals are sick and tried of being told to get at the back of the bus, sit down and shut up.
81 posted on 01/16/2012 4:17:46 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I HOPE by the grace of God that Rick Santorum will win SC to shut you guys up.

There it is. Hope. That hope will produce Romney.
82 posted on 01/16/2012 4:18:26 PM PST by TBBT
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To: Patton@Bastogne
I couldn't help but notice that personal income tax rates were lower with Baraq Obama as President and Nancy Pelosi as House Speaker than they were when Newt Gingrich was Speaker.
83 posted on 01/16/2012 4:19:35 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: magritte
Weren’t you for Santorum before Santorum was cool?

I was also wearing sweater vests before they became an issue too. I had no idea they irritated people, judging by the comments here at FR. Just for that, I will have to keep wearing them till I'm dead just to bug people.

84 posted on 01/16/2012 4:19:50 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Well, well, well, will you listen to that..... yeah, according to polls that you, the Newt supporters have hypocritically bashed and will bash if your guy Newt was not in the lead…
Yeah, Newt up in the polls, good.. Newt is going to win,,, Newt down in the polls, fake polls, bad polls, the polls are not accurate….


FFS, get real. I don't bash polls.

So long as the methodologies are done right, polls taken with a week of an election tend to accurately portend what the actual outcomes will be, like it or not.
85 posted on 01/16/2012 4:23:37 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: American Constitutionalist
Well, well, well, will you listen to that..... yeah, according to polls that you, the Newt supporters have hypocritically bashed and will bash if your guy Newt was not in the lead…
Yeah, Newt up in the polls, good.. Newt is going to win,,, Newt down in the polls, fake polls, bad polls, the polls are not accurate….


FFS, get real. I don't bash polls.

So long as the methodologies are done right, polls taken within a ~week of an election tend to accurately portend what the actual outcomes will be, like it or not.
86 posted on 01/16/2012 4:24:00 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: azcap
I love the Santorum yahoos who point to the delegate count and say Newt should drop out. I love the Newt yahoos who pointed out when back when Santorum was leading Gingrich by 10+ points in Iowa polls that Santorum should drop out. Santorum supporters are simply pointing out the hypocrisy that Gingrich supporters have been spreading over the last few weeks.

Here's some advice. Pick a standard and stick with it. Don't expect Santorum supporters to jump ship in Iowa when Gingrich supporters were unwilling to do so in Iowa and New Hampshire.

87 posted on 01/16/2012 4:24:24 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Hoodat

“I couldn’t help but notice that personal income tax rates were lower with Baraq Obama as President and Nancy Pelosi as House Speaker than they were when Newt Gingrich was Speaker.”

I’m on your side in this debate but you just crossed the line.


88 posted on 01/16/2012 4:25:12 PM PST by PAR
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To: Utmost Certainty

” So long as the methodologies are done right, polls taken with a week of an election tend to accurately portend what the actual outcomes will be, like it or not. “ ... Righhhht... only if your guy Newt is ahead everything is fine... yeah I got it alright...


89 posted on 01/16/2012 4:27:50 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: TBBT

wow...


90 posted on 01/16/2012 4:28:21 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: Hoodat
This is actually a plus for Santorum.

You must be on the payroll to come out with such spin of Santorum's epic Senate loss. No, even they wouldn't make that leap.

91 posted on 01/16/2012 4:34:39 PM PST by newzjunkey (Imbecilic early voters doom us all.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

He shoots, he scores.

Excellent post.


92 posted on 01/16/2012 4:35:27 PM PST by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: Hoodat

You are so right. Pennsylvanians will vote for Santorum over Obama, especially western Pennsylvanians whom Obama called bitter people clinging to their guns and religion. Gingrich represented a solidly Republican district in Georgia. He never ran or won in a statewide election. Santorum did and beat incumbent Democrats including Harris Wofford, Clinton’s point man on healthcare who was backed in the election against Santorum by Paul Begala and James Carville.

Consider this about Gingrich: He is 68 years old. If he were elected, he would be 69 or 70 when he took office. He’s hardly what you’d call fit looking. He’s starting to look winded and tired in the campaign appearances I’ve seen covered on C-Span. If Gingrich supporters don’t think Democrats would make Gingrich’s age an issue in this election, they’re living in a dream world. Gingrich’s day has come and gone. He should have run for president years ago. He should move on and let younger candidates take over. Santorum is as well informed and smart and is good in debates. He has a law degree and an MBA. He can take on Obama and win. If he were getting half of the media attention that Huntsman has gotten, he’d be the well-known candidate challenging Romney. The fact that he’s done as well as he has with little money and hardly any media attention speaks volumes about his smarts and his ability to connect with people on the stump. Keep his candidacy going, South Carolina!


93 posted on 01/16/2012 4:37:22 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: newzjunkey; Hoodat

Epic Senate loss?

really wow...

How about he beat the Carville machine twice?


94 posted on 01/16/2012 4:39:34 PM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: TBBT

Newtbots and Santorumbots, etc. Answer me this:

Should one of these two win the nomination, will somebody please tell me the State one of them carries that the other does not? And be specific. I want to know the specific counties and voters in the states you say won’t be carried by one or the other.

In the regards to the Electoral College, it doesn’t matter who the nominee is. Any of the potential nominees (even Romney) would carry all the McCain states. The liberals and concern trolls want to b*tch about AZ being open this year, but Maricopa is still firmly Republican. MT and MO have key Senate races that are potential GOP Pick-ups. And Georgia, even if Romney is the nominee, he’ll carry GA by at least 2-3% points because Obama is too weak an incumbent to capitalize.

Every potential nominee gets IN and NC back rather easily as just picking up McCain’s poor performance in the conservative vote OR improving on the Independent vote in these two states will get the job done.

FL? Where is Gingrich going to outperform Santorum here or vice-versa? McCain got 48%. His red county margins were much lower than Bush, Obama didn’t really pick up any higher percentage in the Blue counties than Kerry, so it was the Indy’s that decided it. But what Indy’s vote this time will be on the GOP side and even if they are not, both Gingrich or Santorum would run higher margins in the Red Counties McCain underperformed. They would also be both looking at potenial running mates from FL for VP. Neither would be shut out from carrying the state.

Then there’s VA and OH. Two different dynamics here. The 215,000 vote margin in Cleveland and the 200,000+ vote margin in Northern Virginia gave Obama his winning margins in both states. That means McCain ran even with Obama in the rest of both states. Bush carried a 371,000 in OH and a 450,000+ margin in VA to offset the lopsided liberal areas. I’ve examined a LOT of counties and can tell you in about 90%+ of the cases, McCain ran 4-5% lower than Bush in the Conservative areas. Both Santorum and Gingrich would pick that up before even having to worry about the Independents. VA is most likely back in the Red column this time around with the Senate race hopefully helping turnout. OH is probably the one true toss-up that will be up for grabs for everyone and depend on whether conservatives turn out or not, like they didn’t with the Union vote a few months ago.

So this garbage about Gingrich or Santorum not being able to defeat Obama is Bullfreep. Both would probably be on their way to 266 Electoral Votes.

The Problem for both is that they need 1 Additional State to get over the hump. Where’s it going to come from: (NH/PA) or (MI/WI/IA) or (NV/CO/NM)? Scratch NH out for both of them, and most likely not even Santorum could carry PA with the Philadelphia machine in force. MI and WI are close, but prospects are still dim. Santorum, meanwhile showed he could actually be competitive in IA, though the GOP base has fled from IA and there might not be enough voters to put either over the top there. NV, like this forum debate consists of a heavily fractured GOP base, where Santorum likely won’t improve on Angle’s numbers, but Gingrich will struggle with the 20% or so libertarian nutcases. Tom Tancredo has made it clear he doesn’t support Gingrich’s illegal immigration stance, while it’s an unknown for Santorum. NM’s got a friendly GOP female Governor with a Hispanic base that might appeal more to Gingrich with his recent “endorsement”.

So enough of this crap. A vote for Santorum is not a vote for Obama. If Santorum gets the big MO, then the other Anti-Romney followers should follow suit. Likewise, a vote for Gingrich is not a vote for Obama, and if he comes out as a clear choice in SC and can actually beat Santorum in an actual vote (not just polls), then he has a case for being the Anti-Romney.

Last comment: Mark Levin has repeatedly said if he had to vote today, he would vote for Santorum. Why Santorum and not Newt? Because, according to Levin, Santorum has been consistent on the issues, conservative and most, and you don’t have to think about where he stands, whereas he referred to Newt as “undisciplined” and even confused as to where Newt stood on various issues based on several conflicting statements. I consider Mark Levin to be one of the foremost experts on conservatism (reminder Ameritopia comes out tomorrow!) and anybody that wants to refer to him as “Stupid”, well I just hope you have the cajones to call him up and tell him that to his earpiece so I can listen to it and LMAO when he puts you in your place.


95 posted on 01/16/2012 4:43:00 PM PST by parksstp (Articulate Conservatives look for Converts. RINO's look for Democrat Heretics.)
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To: parksstp

You are exactly right about Santorum’s defeat. Pennsylvania voters wanted to send Bush a message—change course in Iraq. Before the election of 2006, Bush said he wasn’t going to, that Rumsfield was still his man. So, Pennsylvanians whacked Santorum, the Republican up for re-election whose defeat would wake Bush up. Not only did Bush trash the Republican brand, he wiped out their numbers in the House and Senate. He was a disaster. Good guys like Santorum got caught up in the carnage. Blame Bush, not Santorum for his defeat.


96 posted on 01/16/2012 4:44:16 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: TBBT; All
Evangelicals won't show up for Romney when he's the nominee.

They don't care about Santorum's record or proposals, they're just in love with his "pro family" snake oil salesmanship of nanny state gov't.

Santorum's theocratic bent and troglodyte take on women would destroy him even with many center-right voters, let alone the "independents" who cast the deciding votes in elections.

97 posted on 01/16/2012 4:54:02 PM PST by newzjunkey (Imbecilic early voters doom us all.)
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To: PAR
I’m on your side in this debate but you just crossed the line.

lol, do you think I got their attention?

98 posted on 01/16/2012 4:54:50 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Let’s see who is the most supported conservative on FR...

Considering that Gingrich isn't a conservative, it looks like Santorum and Perry tied.

99 posted on 01/16/2012 4:58:19 PM PST by Hoodat (Because they do not change, Therefore they do not fear God. -Psalm 55:19-)
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To: elkfersupper

Seriously? For defending life and traditional marriage?


100 posted on 01/16/2012 5:12:52 PM PST by bjcoop
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