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Posted on 01/17/2012 4:35:00 PM PST by wagglebee
The killing of innocent unborn is not a tennant of libertarinaism since it removes the one absolute individual right. The right to life.
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You are wrong. Way wrong.
Libertarians - like Ron Paul - see no problems with abortions being left up to individual states to decide. The “right to life”, you say?
Show me in the Constitution where that right is.
Then why does the Libertarian Party Platform say otherwise?:
1.4 AbortionRecognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that people can hold good-faith views on all sides, we believe that government should be kept out of the matter, leaving the question to each person for their conscientious consideration.
What is your position on these two questions:
1. Should abortion be allowed in cases of rape or incest?
2. Is abortion a "states' rights" issue (e.g. should it be left to the states)?
a. We are dealing with the ultimate right. Without life nothing else matters.
b. The constitution rightly recognizes that no one shall be deprived of life without due process of law. That is, they have committed some crime that brings them before the law in a capital case.
c. The baby is life, and the constitution recognizes in its purpose statement that these rights pertain to the unborn...the posterity.
d. Therefore, the in utero baby cannot be deprived of life without having committed a capital offense and not without due process of law.
That applies to any state. That applies to any baby however conceived.
I dislike mad libs...especially the Occupy kind.
I dislike mad libs...especially the Occupy kind.
I dislike mad libs...especially the Occupy kind.
“....is not a tennant of libertarinaism....”
WADR friend, I believe the word is TENNET.
A tennant is one who rents a property in which to live or conduct business.
....Woman do not have the right to brutaly murder their own children by hiring a knife welding assassin to go into the God designed 'safe womb' which He's provided for a child..... carving these babies up like a piece of meat in a meatmarket.
And yes it is worse than the heathen pagans who sacrificed their children to their pagan Gods and Goddesses......at least they let the child be born.
1. Should abortion be allowed in cases of rape or incest?
2. Is abortion a “states’ rights” issue (e.g. should it be left to the states)?
1. No....there are other options such as adoption.
2. No....safe guarding our children should have never come so far that we even have to consider who has the right to govern over the matter. It should have never been an issue to begin with. However when any other criminal commits murder...it’s murder in all states.
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Oh man troll alert here.
There is a wide wide gulf between libertarianism and the Libertarian Party.
Much like that between conservatism and the GOP.
I cannot and will not defend that statement (1.4 of the party platform).
Abortion should never be allowed, in any case, including rape and incest.
I stand corrected.
The Fifth Amendment?
..nor shall any person... be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.
Also, the Fourteenth:... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
The problem, obviously, is that "personhood" has yet to be defined. The Human Life Amendment is designed to do just that. Pretty sad that in the 21st. century we still haven't forced ourselves to acknowledge the humanity of an unborn child. The Bill of Rights is where the "right to life" is brought up and I'm pretty sure in the eighteenth century it didn't occur to society that such a given had to be spelled out. And we're progressing???
Actually, it's tenet.
There are many “libertarians” that oppose abortion simply on the fact that the person in the womb has the right to not be killed.
As far as the “can’t legislate morality” argument, indeed, that is silly. The stopsign at the corner is “legislating morality”.
Dittoes Bump to the The Human Life Amendment.
There are many reasons why libs are wrong about abortion being a States Rights issues. For one, you are correct about our amendments outlining due process. Second, the Supreme Court ruled in favor of abortion. The Constitution requires states to adhere to that ruling. We need the Supremes to overule Roe v. Wade. Finally we need an amendment to the US Constitution granting personhood to the unborn.
There is a wide wide gulf between libertarianism and the Libertarian Party.
A lie.
Small l or capital L; Libertarians are liberals. Social liberals. Their leader is Ron Paul who is anathema to everything that is Republican and even more so to conservatives.
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I’m not lying. The libertarian party is like any political party. A coallition. So, many ideas that are not pure philisophicaly are included.
If liberalism and libertarinism were the same, then why are they viewed in every political science class, text, and study as two different things?
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