Skip to comments.Perry under pressure to bow out, endorse another conservative
Posted on 01/18/2012 10:41:23 AM PST by Red Steel
Gov. Rick Perry is getting pressure from conservative leaders to bow out of the presidential race before South Carolinas primary election Saturday.
In particular, Erick Erickson of the prominent conservative blog, RedState, reflecting on former Alaska Governor Sarah Palins endorsement of former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, wrote this morning that:
The next big question is whether Governor Perry decides to depart the race before or after Saturday. And if he departs, will he endorse Newt Gingrich, who wrote the introduction to Governor Perrys book Fed Up!
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I think he should stay in. Neither Santorum, Gingrich or Paul can win, so all that would be left is Romney.
We are going to field a bad candidate to oppose Obama in November.
I will vote for that bad candidate.
I hope it’s not Romney, with all my heart I do.
However, if he wins SC on Saturday, it most likely will be.
I don’t like Rick Perry, but I would thank him and admire him for doing what’s right and endorsing Gingrich, whom I now believe to be the only way to stop Romney.
Perry will not bow out until after his hat is handed to him, yet again, in SC. Then he’ll say it was for the good of the party/country/whatever. The truth is he wanted to bow out after Iowa, but wanted to save face so he can run again in the future, without being knocked out in the first round. Now he can pretend he’s not an insider, blah, blah, blah. If Romney win’s SC, Perry will get out. If Romney loses SC, Perry may stay in to distract again for him in Florida, and THEN get out. We’ll see if he’s the stalking horse or not.
Just once - once! - it would be nice if conservative pols didn’t form a circular firing squad.
I agree with the most of the point in your post your post. I don’t thank or admire Perry, and I won’t vote for someone whom I don’t think will try and restore the Constitution (I’m holding out for Newt to do this, as he started referencing the DOI in the last debate), but everything else, ditto.
Perry will not run again. No chance.
His campaign will be Case Study #1 of the importance of primary debates.
I think he ran just to get Anita off his back, and he is only staying in to show her he isn’t a quitter.
If he can’t win in SC, he won’t be able to win anywhere. I think he should throw in the towel now and give Newt a shot.
Perry needs to stay in thru South Carolina, but if he comes in under 10% then it’s over. If he gets over the 10% threshold, he should make one last stand in Florida. I personally prefer Perry over both Gingrich and Santorum.
I hope Perry does drop out and Santorum and Gingrich come to an agreement to get us to one candidate that will defeat both the establishment GOP and Obama. I will NOT vote for either the RINO or a raving nutcase.
I believe the latest that can happen is after Florida...but the sooner the better.
At this point, I believe Newt is on the surge and has the wherewithall to win against Romney and against Obama. I believe Perry and Santprum could too if they had the votes and the dollars. But the most astute of them all, particularly if he stays on game, is Newt, despite some of his own foibles (which they all have).
Now, if we cannot do this, and Romney wins the nomination I will vote for him and suuipport him against Obama who is a marxist hell bent on destroying our nation. I believe Romney can beat Obama...but I would much rather see a Newt, Perry or Santorum do it and then work together with a Tea Party oriented House and Senate to turn this nation around.
Last night, Charles Krauthammer, who certainly has not been a Gingrich supporter, said of Romney:
". . . But he (Romney) simply doesnt have the capacity to explain with some color and sort of force conservative ideas. "
Which is precisely why he has no business going up, unarmed, except for money, against an ideologue who does "have the capacity to explain with some color and sort of force" the ideas of redistribution.
Krauthammer has been slow to come to admitting the obvious fact that Romney doesn't "explain" conservative ideas because they are not part of his intellectual DNA, as they are with someone who has immersed himself/herself in the ideas of America's founding history.
Gingrich's quick analysis of opposing ideas, combined with an ability to put them in historical context, didn't just come about by osmosis. They came about through a lifelong study of history. In recent decades, Ronald Reagan is the only American president who was so familiar with our founding ideas that he could weave them into discussions on "issues" of the day; thereby giving clarity to threats to liberty.
By the same token, the Fall 2012 opponent has studied, been mentored in, and well understands the ideology and strategies for presenting his case for redistribution, government planning, and control--all the while masking them in benevolence and "taking care" of those to whom he appeals, even as his policies are enslaving future generations.
His Republican opponent needs to be able to rebut, rebuke, and reveal the cloaked tyranny encased in his appealing message to those who see him as a benevolent leader, not a threat to their posterity's Creator-endowed right to be free.
Gingrich is right. If the goal of the primaries is to determine a candidate who can bring such clarity to the ideas of conservatism that Obama's counterfeit ideas will be defeated, then Romney, in the words of Krauthammer, "simply doesn't have the capacity" to do it. At least, he has not shown it to this point; and that "capacity" cannot be coached. It must be a natural outgrowth of understanding.
Palin did NOT endorse Newt. Said she'd vote for him in SC to keep process going. Also said no one should drop out just yet, need to see more.
I still think Perry was the best person to go against Obama, but the dominoes haven't fallen my way. Therefore, we have 2 goals. The first immediate goal is to defeat Mitt Romney. The 2nd is to beat Obama. I am willing to look past some of the major issues I have with Newt if Perry is out. Santorum, for the most part, is a good conservative, but he's boring as hell to me. I don't know if he would be able to get the crowd wound up like Newt did this week.
We'll see what happens. However, I was hoping to not have a Washington insider as our candidate. But I'll take that over Mitt Romney any day.
Perry is a fake...those who are real conservatives see him for what he is.....THAT is why he has no traction....that is why he needs to GO....
I hope he has another great debate, and experiences a surge in Saturday's primary.
Short of that it will be time for him to bow out - IMHO.
I think Newt can win SC despite Santorum or Perry staying in. Let’s not forget that both of these two were polling at around 5% before the Iowa nonsense that the party pulled. That (Iowa)was the outlier. They’re both dropping right back into the cesspool.
Monday night’s debate really showedthe dichotomy between Newt and Romney (et. al.). Ron Paul will maintain his 15-25% (Depending on state), and the remaining battle will be between Gingrich and Romney, with Santorum and Perry dueling for 4th and 5th (so long as they continue to stay in.
I sure hope Perry goes back to Texas and never reappears on the National stage. He can be Presidente of the Reconquisted Azatlan. In his dreams.
How do you rationalize your conclusion?
Perry is at 5% on a good day, how does his staying in help anyone except Romney.
He should get out NOW.
Then, if Paul gets out and endorses Romney....2 birds, one stone!
(for the slow FReepers....a Paul endorsement would kill Romney)
Perry is far from fake. He's rock solid in his beliefs, and he's got one helluva records. People may not like him for whatever reason, but fake is not part of him.
Meaningless. Each of the candidates has taken some similar action(s) that can be paraded to impugn their conservatism.
The important question now is where socons go after Santorum.
Also, it’s funny now to think back to when Newt “blew up” his campaign right as he announced it with some stupid remark I can’t even remember now. He was totally written off. Campaigns are funny that way sometimes.
Why? How many delegates have been chosen? There’s a long way to go.
A lot of people don’t like Newt and he is more than capable of saying or doing something that will topple him. I hope that doesn’t happen because I like him better than Santorum.
But it’s a possibility.
As for Santorum, he is only on the radar because he sat in Iowa for 6 months listening to granny. He was a non-factor before that, and he will be a non-factor again soon.
Why want the other conservative out of the race?
I hope he doesn’t yield to this crappy, whiny pressure to ‘drop out and let me win.’
Who knows what will happen in the next two months.
Stay in, Governor Perry.
perry’s campaign is finished.
he has no presence in fl.
no subtantive promotions in SC.
he is only useful in throwing his support to someone who can beat romney. If he stays in the race, it will be because he believes romney is inevitable, he wants to add money, and he just wants to be a spoiler to either keep gingrich from winning or help romney.
I’m sure he’s praying for your admiration, Jedidah.
And why don’t you like the most conservative candidate with no baggage and a history of leadership?
In my kindness, I had him pegged as the lessor of evils of the herd at best....but even so...I prefer he not grab over and bend his ankles for the likes of these phony Rs !!!!!
he’s better than that!
Sorry...you couldn’t be farther from the truth...Perry is just another RINO.
Even Red State, which has been all but an official Perry supporter, is now saying Perry should drop out.
Erick Erickson (runs Red State), on his radio show, suggested that Perry should drop out today and endorse Gingrich before the next debate, so it can have the most impact.
I want a president who actually loves his country and the military. I want a president who actually understands the necessity of America creating our own energy.
Perry has proven himself to be pro-life and has put his name to legislation to prove it. This guy has walked the walk.
Awaiting for all the Perrybot whining to start.
These guys think he’s the next Reagan, more like the illegitimate baby of Ross Perot and Bob Dole.
He should drop out and endorse Gingrich. His campaign isn’t going anywhere. If his latest debate performance had been his first, he might well be the nominee, but it’s too late now. Dropping out and endorsing Gingrich will endear him to conservatives, give him a noble way out, and is the best way to stop Romney in South Carolina. Only vanity and the faint promise of (understandable) ambition is keeping him in.
I live in Texas and I know what he's done here. I know what he stands for, and he's a rock solid conservative.
1. Pro 10th Amendment? Check
2. Pro 2nd Amendment? Check
3. Pro Life? Check
4. Pro-Business? Check
5. Pro domestic drilling? Check
6. Pro offshore drilling? Check
7. Pro military? Check
8. Served in the military? Check
9. Wants lower federal regulation? Check
10. Loves this country? Check.
11. Pro Death Penalty? Check
12. Pro cut/cap/balance? Check
13. Pro tort reform? Check
14. Supports ID to vote? Check
15. Supports lower taxes? Check
16. Supports balanced budget amendment? Check
17. Repeatedly called on Bush and Obama to secure the border? Check
18. Wants Obamacare overturned? Check
19. Thinks global warming is a scam? Check
20. Wants to end ethanol subsidies? Check
21. Supports Israel? Check
22. Had the nuts to confront Obama in person over the border? Check
23. Supports an end of sanctuary cities? Check
24. Never supported TARP? Check
25. Thinks the NLRB has too much power? Check
But I can see how you think he's a RINO. /s
Perry can go out as a patriot who took one for the team. Sorry, but Newt is the only one poised to knock Romney down a notch but he needs more votes to do it.
Had folks not bailed out on Newt earlier this would be a 3 way race between the Ricks and Gingrich. Now we have to worry all the way about Romneycrat and Uncle Nutty.
All I see are a bunch of talking points...
He is done....he needs to go away...period.
I think that - now that there are only 5 candidates - the debates are much easier to watch. And, likely easier to participate in.
I like Governor Perry and I am giving him one more debate
Those are facts, and you can't deny them. You said he was a RINO, and I prenented you with facts. The only thing you can come back with is that I have talking points. Prove me where I'm wrong in what I said. You can't.
Again, I live here and I know what he stands for.
As for getting out, if he does, he does. But that doesn't take away from the fact that I backed up my claim, and you can't.
I was going to post the same exact thing until I saw yours. Palin is right - we need to keep this race going - it is too early to declare the winner yet. My own feeling is that Newt is still an unpredictable candidate - I don't think anyone should drop out to let him be the conservative voice - he could still implode at any time. Better to have 3 eggs in 3 baskets right now - rather than have all of our eggs in one basket.
I see no facts...What I see is a bunch of conservative phrases with the word “check” after them....
Stop kidding yourself......
Rick Santorum need to place his country before himself and drop out of the race. THIS is a Conservative??
Voted for Federal funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
Defense and Foreign Policy
Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.
Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.
Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the Presidents authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.
Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of assault weapons by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.
Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapits, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter backup plan to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museums Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a states highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.
Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.
Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.
Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.
Voted AGAINST increasing the number of immigration investigators?
VOTED AGAINST HIRING AN ADDITIONAL 1,000 BORDER PATROL AGENTS?
VOTED TO GIVE SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS TO ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS?
Santorum; Big government spender:
Perry stated that in his administration he would start all countries getting U.S. foreign aid at ZERO, until they proved to be our allies.
He was also the first to bring the war on religion to the forefront.
Rick Perry is twice the Conservative Santorum is!
Santorum needs to place his country before himself-
but his ego wont let him.
You can't prove that any of those positions are false. If you think those positions aren't conservative, well, then I think you need to check your definition of the word. I would suggest to you that those positions are the bedrock of the conservative movement.
You may not like Perry, but you can't back up your claim that he's as RINO.
I’m sure you thought Bush was a conservative too......
Again, you cannot back up you claim that Perry is as RINO. George W. Bush, JEB Bush, H. W. Bush, Barbara Bush, Jenna Bush, Prescot Bush, George P. Bush, or Neil Bush have absolutely nothign to do with the fact that you claimed Rick Perry was a RINO, that I called you out on it and presented you with facts, and that all you've done since then is not prove me wrong.
And to answer your question, George W. Bush was a helluva lot more conservative than Al Gore, John McCain, and John Kerry. Those were my choices then. And Rick Perry is more conservative than George W. Bush by a long shot.
keep diggin’ that hole.
None of the candidates should drop out just yet. What do you do if Gingrich implodes the way Cain did? Then it defaults to Romney if the others are out. Why not let them fight it out at least until Florida. Anything can happen in this race — as we’ve already seen. I remember when everyone was writing off Newt because he sat on the couch with Nancy and offered citizenship to illegals during one of the early debates.
The problem with that is Romney gets closer towards the nomination with the conservatives split.....
we need to start to consolidate...and Perry is one of the throwaway cards.
My guess, based upon no special information whatsoever, is that if Perry drops out he will support Santorum, just to keep Gingrich from catching up with Romney.
I would let it die, if I were you. You are out matched by GOPyouth. THWAP! You get a set of facts together that says Rick didn’t fill the bill as laid out exactly as GOP laid it out for you. Calling facts talking points is a hoot! LOL! I am simply dying to call your non-existent litany “talking points”.
Great call and raise there, youth!
I backed up my claim regarding Perry. You have yet to back up yours. I cited you over 20 examples of how he's a conservative. You have yet to prove me wrong on any of them.
You did try your hardest to prove me wrong by bringing up somebody from the Bush family, since that has everything in the world to do with Rick Perry's conservative credentials.
But, keep on. I really don't mind making you look like this.
Thanks for a thoughtful and respectful response.
I agree to disagree with some of your points/definitions, but I wish you, indeed all of us, well.
Wouldn’t have it any other way. Take care.