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Posted on 01/18/2012 11:37:11 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
Iran stealth subs could lie in wait to hunt hostile aircraft carriers
TEHRAN The deputy commander of the Armed Forces has said that Iranian stealth submarines are able to lie in wait in the Persian Gulf to target hostile aircraft carriers that are moving near them.
If an ordinary submarine submerges in the Persian Gulf, it could be the worst threat to the enemy. It is one of the Americans fears because our submarines are covered with coatings that do not allow sound to travel through them and do not reflect sound waves sent by (enemy vessels) sonar systems, Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said in an interview with the Fars News Agency published on Wednesday.
When the submarine lies on the sea bed, it can easily target an aircraft carrier that is passing nearby, he said.
Amiri also said that the enemy is not able to track Iranian submarines.
Our submarines have acquired the ability to position themselves at (the proper) depth to watch enemy ships and submarines in a way that could not be seen by them, he explained.
Iran plans to launch new 500-ton submarine
Amiri also announced that the domestically manufactured 500-ton Fateh (Conqueror) submarine will be launched during the next Iranian calendar year, which starts on March 20.
He added that the medium-sized submarine is equipped with most advanced torpedoes and sonar systems.
I’m guessing the Iranians stuck in those subs are going to get an unpleasant surprise when it comes to modern anti-sub capabilities.
Maybe some of their subs will find the same end as some of their nuke physicists.
Iran’s leadership isn’t going to be happy, until it has had it’s ass beaten to a pulp. I’m thinking more sooner than later too.
If we wait until it has nukes, it will be able to blackmail all of it’s neighbors. Is that really something we are prepared to allow to take place?
Don’t tell me what Obama wants, because we all know what that nine year old wants.
If you think Iran’s subs are “stealthy” now, just wait and see how difficult they are to find when they’re in a thousand pieces!
I see Baghdad Bob has a new client.
Kamikazes didn’t work for the Japanese in the 1940’s, but some people never get the word.
They sure could,,and i could wait outside the Hells Angels favorite bar and shoot the biggest one from ambush on the parking lot. (afterwards loudly telling everyone just how i did it!)
I suspect my life would get -very- exciting afterwards.
So, how will the IRGC-N deal with the SSB-Ns that are 5000 Nmi away?
Iranian stealth sub!!!
“Just sonar? What, do they think this is 1944?”
LOL,, (Shhhhhhh don’t TELL them!) Now, for any Iranians reading this,,, yes indeed, sonar is our only hope. Yessiree,,, if you’ve beat our sonar, you already won! You’ve foiled us again. I wouldn’t worry about a thing,,,
Hey, Ahmed: its not just the “coatings” on your sub, its how much noise they make.
First off, I know nothing about under-water warfare, I have no information other than layman’s information on remote sensing.
But, if I were in that area, there are some key points I would focus on. First off, Submarines are made out of metal, random rocks on the bottom of the sea are not.
Metal has properties that granite, limestone and other assorted rocks do not. I’d wager that if one was interested in finding a couple hundred thousand pounds of refined metal, there are ways of doing that.
"most advanced" is a very, very relative term.
The Kilos are coated, but old...and the Iranians are probably caoting them with something as similar as they can manufacture on these 500 ton mini-subs.
But it will be to no avail. I have no doubts that we constantly, through multiple avenues, keep track of every Iranian sub.
This President will not do it, bit we need a CIC who would have all their Kilos and the two or three modern mini-subs they have all just blow up on the same day.
The indicate we don’t know what happened, and have Israel say the same. Talk about how difficult and dangerous sub technology is...we’ve lost a few ourselves so it is not out of the ordinary. Difficult technologies sort of like their nuclear program is difificult and also may be prone to such “accidents.”
Creepy. But thoughtful,,, and accurate.
This reminds me of the Libyan line of death and a Libyan submarine that radioed the beach to say they were diving, waited 20 minutes or so on the surface, and then reported they had resurfaced - all watched and heard by our navy air folks. They were too scared to submerge for fear of never coming back up.
That being said let them sit in their shallow pond while our P-3s locate them with MAD gear and then drop sonobouys all around to ping the living crap out of em - then see if they stick around to light anything off. hmph - plus being diesel they’ll have to surface periodically for crew air.
I will give them that at 500 tons it’s a fairly small boat and harder to ‘see’. Ours tend to be 6000 tons or better as I recall.
It's the only thing they understand. Wanting to talk is weakness. I nice STFU backhand will work wonders.
Our hunter/killers can indeed detect them ...lol ;-)
I have co-workers who worked in interdiction in conjunction with the USN years ago. The detection technology onboard modern US Navy submarines sounds like far-fetched sci-fi, but is quite real. Not only can they hear small craft and subs, but they can identify specific vessels by sound characteristics.
It’s likely that if Iran has any subs in the area, the USN already knows where, what kind and how many - and has its own subs shadowing.
Is there a submarine ping list? If so, why aren’t I on it? If not why not? There’s enough bubbleheads running around here to man a squadron.
There were always certain unambiguous signs that the Soviets would have given a few days prior to initiating hostilities (WW3). One of them would have been to sortie vast portion their submarine fleet so that they would not be bombed while laying dockside. This is one reason that naval maneuvers were always announced and watched by all navies.
I expect that our aircraft carriers will depart the area until such time as their subs, with their limited endurance, return to base to get plastered by the USAF. Then the carriers will return in a big way. Until that time the USN will keep the carriers at a distance, providing air cover for the surface combatant vessels patrolling the strait. I also expect that our SSN’s will pick off a few using methods not discussed in public forums such as this.
They don’t need the subs to take out the supertankers. Simple sea mines would be more cost effective. As such, best use of the Kilos might be as undersea minelayers. Sew a minefield across the strait & ‘declare the strait closed’.
I expect that the Iranians understand that the Kilo’s would be ‘toast’ once this happens, so they’ll push them out into the Indian Ocean to hunt the carriers. They probably won’t survive long due to crew proficiency, but the fear-factor to the US CVBG’s would be disproportionate.
....just tune the sonar to islamic chanting 5 times a day....(times listed in local newspaper).....fire /depthcharge at sound....end of problem.
....Captain to fire control officer......”wait till the end of the chanting ...and you will hear a clear “death to America”......then push the firing button.”
It's no secret. Everyone knows you convince the captain to defect then fake a nuclear accident to get the crew off.
Is there a submarine ping list?I would guess not, since the last thing a sub wants is to be "pinged"!
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We do have anti-mine capabilities, and we can use other sonar devices to detect such chokepoints. Tankers might move through their more slowly, waiting for an escort, but they'd still get through the strait.
Agreed. And something else... most of those double-hulled supertankers would take a hit from a sea mine and simply shrug it off. During the 80’s tanker war the commander of the US Escort Group simply put the tankers in a single-file line behind the first tanker to hit a mine. All the US destroyers & frigates fell-in behind as well.
They will be really stealthy when they are in pieces at the bottom of the gulf.
These guys are serious?
Over the course of the following weeks and months, as each sub returned to base and reported on their missions, the Russians slowly came to the realization that every one of their subs were being successfully tracked.
... but what the Iranians are training to do this time is to perform “swarm attacks” using high-speed boats supported by heavier units. They will hit the convoys while they are picking their way through the minefields, making systematic minesweeping difficult.
The kilo is a diesel electric. It can't stay down a long time. It has to surface to recharge its batteries.
I one of them.
American aircraft carriers aren’t hostile.
is this like the Obama stealth intelect?
Take a look at this and get back to me.
This happened. It will happen again. It just takes determination.
The whole urgency of how the modern US military establishment will deal with the asymmetrical aspect of potential engagements is an additional factor to consider.
It is very foolish to assume we are invincible. Our invincibility heretofore has been mainly because of technology and the money to back it up. Our dilemma is that technology (ala iPhone, etc.) has a way of equalizing itself down to the lowest level that fits a wide spread commercial consumer use. Think about it.
Interesting story. Thanks for posting the link.
Again, that's been the prevailing thought before this current situation. I think most of our Navy would call such swarm attacks "target practice."
Loose lips sink ships?
Our Carriers about 100,000 tons
The Virginia Class Attack sub about 8000 tons
The Chains/Anchor on our Carriers probably weight nearly 500 tons.
500 ton stealth sub what did it do sink and never come up.
:...our submarines are covered with coatings that do not allow sound to travel through them...”
Note to the Iranian sub service:
Don’t Pass Gas
We got you on tape, shaheeds...