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‘Iran stealth subs could lie in wait to hunt hostile aircraft carriers’
Tehran Times ^ | 18 January 2012

Posted on 01/18/2012 11:37:11 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

‘Iran stealth subs could lie in wait to hunt hostile aircraft carriers’

TEHRAN – The deputy commander of the Armed Forces has said that Iranian stealth submarines are able to lie in wait in the Persian Gulf to target hostile aircraft carriers that are moving near them.

“If an ordinary submarine submerges in the Persian Gulf, it could be the worst threat to the enemy. It is one of the Americans’ fears because our submarines are covered with coatings that do not allow sound to travel through them and do not reflect sound waves sent by (enemy vessels’) sonar systems,” Rear Admiral Farhad Amiri said in an interview with the Fars News Agency published on Wednesday.

“When the submarine lies on the sea bed, it can easily target an aircraft carrier that is passing nearby,” he said.

Amiri also said that the enemy is not able to track Iranian submarines.

“Our submarines have acquired the ability to position themselves at (the proper) depth to watch enemy ships and submarines in a way that could not be seen by them,” he explained.

Iran plans to launch new 500-ton submarine

Amiri also announced that the domestically manufactured 500-ton Fateh (Conqueror) submarine will be launched during the next Iranian calendar year, which starts on March 20.

He added that the medium-sized submarine is equipped with most advanced torpedoes and sonar systems.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iran; persiangulf; submarine; usn
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1 posted on 01/18/2012 11:37:21 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I’m guessing the Iranians stuck in those subs are going to get an unpleasant surprise when it comes to modern anti-sub capabilities.


2 posted on 01/18/2012 11:39:38 AM PST by Stevenc131
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Go ahead Iran.....I F’in DARE you to take a shot at a carrier....let's see how truly stupid Islamic Persians really are.
3 posted on 01/18/2012 11:39:43 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Maybe some of their subs will find the same end as some of their nuke physicists.


4 posted on 01/18/2012 11:40:19 AM PST by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Iran’s leadership isn’t going to be happy, until it has had it’s ass beaten to a pulp. I’m thinking more sooner than later too.

If we wait until it has nukes, it will be able to blackmail all of it’s neighbors. Is that really something we are prepared to allow to take place?

Don’t tell me what Obama wants, because we all know what that nine year old wants.


5 posted on 01/18/2012 11:41:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (This administration is Barawkward... yes lets try everything that failed in the 20th Century. NOT!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just sonar? What, do they think this is 1944?


6 posted on 01/18/2012 11:42:03 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

If you think Iran’s subs are “stealthy” now, just wait and see how difficult they are to find when they’re in a thousand pieces!


7 posted on 01/18/2012 11:42:20 AM PST by G Larry ("I dream of a day when a man is judged by the content of his Character.")
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I see Baghdad Bob has a new client.


8 posted on 01/18/2012 11:43:38 AM PST by alancarp (Liberals are all for shared pain... until they're included in the pain group.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Kamikazes didn’t work for the Japanese in the 1940’s, but some people never get the word.


9 posted on 01/18/2012 11:44:46 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Stealth sub...

10 posted on 01/18/2012 11:45:18 AM PST by TSgt (Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They sure could,,and i could wait outside the Hells Angels favorite bar and shoot the biggest one from ambush on the parking lot. (afterwards loudly telling everyone just how i did it!)
I suspect my life would get -very- exciting afterwards.


11 posted on 01/18/2012 11:45:58 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

So, how will the IRGC-N deal with the SSB-Ns that are 5000 Nmi away?


12 posted on 01/18/2012 11:46:16 AM PST by reg45 (I'm not angry that Lincoln freed the slaves. I'm angry that Franklin Roosevelt bought them back.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Hubris. The end game is that the Iranian fleet of subs numbers zero. Quietly. No fanfare. Just gone.
13 posted on 01/18/2012 11:47:21 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: alancarp

Iranian stealth sub!!!

14 posted on 01/18/2012 11:47:48 AM PST by catman67
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To: F15Eagle

“Just sonar? What, do they think this is 1944?”

LOL,, (Shhhhhhh don’t TELL them!) Now, for any Iranians reading this,,, yes indeed, sonar is our only hope. Yessiree,,, if you’ve beat our sonar, you already won! You’ve foiled us again. I wouldn’t worry about a thing,,,


15 posted on 01/18/2012 11:49:48 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hey, Ahmed: its not just the “coatings” on your sub, its how much noise they make.


16 posted on 01/18/2012 11:51:46 AM PST by rbg81
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To: sukhoi-30mki

First off, I know nothing about under-water warfare, I have no information other than layman’s information on remote sensing.

But, if I were in that area, there are some key points I would focus on. First off, Submarines are made out of metal, random rocks on the bottom of the sea are not.

Metal has properties that granite, limestone and other assorted rocks do not. I’d wager that if one was interested in finding a couple hundred thousand pounds of refined metal, there are ways of doing that.


17 posted on 01/18/2012 11:51:54 AM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
He added that the medium-sized submarine is equipped with most advanced torpedoes and sonar systems.

"most advanced" is a very, very relative term.

18 posted on 01/18/2012 11:52:27 AM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The Kilos are coated, but old...and the Iranians are probably caoting them with something as similar as they can manufacture on these 500 ton mini-subs.

But it will be to no avail. I have no doubts that we constantly, through multiple avenues, keep track of every Iranian sub.

This President will not do it, bit we need a CIC who would have all their Kilos and the two or three modern mini-subs they have all just blow up on the same day.

The indicate we don’t know what happened, and have Israel say the same. Talk about how difficult and dangerous sub technology is...we’ve lost a few ourselves so it is not out of the ordinary. Difficult technologies sort of like their nuclear program is difificult and also may be prone to such “accidents.”


19 posted on 01/18/2012 11:53:51 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Jeff Head

Creepy. But thoughtful,,, and accurate.


20 posted on 01/18/2012 11:55:15 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Iran's three Kilo class boats have the potential to be very dangerous. Of course that would involve them having properly trained crews that could get the most out of the submarines that they have. While the quality of the Kilo class is not in doubt, the quality of the Iranian crews is much more speculative.

If they start spending a lot of time at sea drilling their crews they could have a dangerous submarine force in a year or two. But for the time being they spend a lot of time tied to the dock. At their estimated skill level they would need to get lucky to kill a carrier. One hit won't do it unless it is a nuke. However if they intend to go after merchants it would be another matter.
21 posted on 01/18/2012 11:57:05 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This reminds me of the Libyan line of death and a Libyan submarine that radioed the beach to say they were diving, waited 20 minutes or so on the surface, and then reported they had resurfaced - all watched and heard by our navy air folks. They were too scared to submerge for fear of never coming back up.

That being said let them sit in their shallow pond while our P-3s locate them with MAD gear and then drop sonobouys all around to ping the living crap out of em - then see if they stick around to light anything off. hmph - plus being diesel they’ll have to surface periodically for crew air.

I will give them that at 500 tons it’s a fairly small boat and harder to ‘see’. Ours tend to be 6000 tons or better as I recall.


22 posted on 01/18/2012 11:59:24 AM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Iran’s leadership isn’t going to be happy, until it has had it’s ass beaten to a pulp.

It's the only thing they understand. Wanting to talk is weakness. I nice STFU backhand will work wonders.

23 posted on 01/18/2012 11:59:45 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Stevenc131

Our hunter/killers can indeed detect them ...lol ;-)


24 posted on 01/18/2012 12:06:26 PM PST by Bobalu (Newt is just the a-hole we need at a time like this)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I have co-workers who worked in interdiction in conjunction with the USN years ago. The detection technology onboard modern US Navy submarines sounds like far-fetched sci-fi, but is quite real. Not only can they hear small craft and subs, but they can identify specific vessels by sound characteristics.

It’s likely that if Iran has any subs in the area, the USN already knows where, what kind and how many - and has its own subs shadowing.


25 posted on 01/18/2012 12:09:44 PM PST by sbMKE
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Is there a submarine ping list? If so, why aren’t I on it? If not why not? There’s enough bubbleheads running around here to man a squadron.


26 posted on 01/18/2012 12:10:19 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Jeff Head

There were always certain unambiguous signs that the Soviets would have given a few days prior to initiating hostilities (WW3). One of them would have been to sortie vast portion their submarine fleet so that they would not be bombed while laying dockside. This is one reason that naval maneuvers were always announced and watched by all navies.

I expect that our aircraft carriers will depart the area until such time as their subs, with their limited endurance, return to base to get plastered by the USAF. Then the carriers will return in a big way. Until that time the USN will keep the carriers at a distance, providing air cover for the surface combatant vessels patrolling the strait. I also expect that our SSN’s will pick off a few using methods not discussed in public forums such as this.


27 posted on 01/18/2012 12:11:56 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: DesertRhino

lol


28 posted on 01/18/2012 12:15:02 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: GonzoGOP

They don’t need the subs to take out the supertankers. Simple sea mines would be more cost effective. As such, best use of the Kilos might be as undersea minelayers. Sew a minefield across the strait & ‘declare the strait closed’.

I expect that the Iranians understand that the Kilo’s would be ‘toast’ once this happens, so they’ll push them out into the Indian Ocean to hunt the carriers. They probably won’t survive long due to crew proficiency, but the fear-factor to the US CVBG’s would be disproportionate.


29 posted on 01/18/2012 12:18:48 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

....just tune the sonar to islamic chanting 5 times a day....(times listed in local newspaper).....fire /depthcharge at sound....end of problem.


30 posted on 01/18/2012 12:18:54 PM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: catman67

I want one!!


31 posted on 01/18/2012 12:19:32 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: spokeshave

....Captain to fire control officer......”wait till the end of the chanting ...and you will hear a clear “death to America”......then push the firing button.”


32 posted on 01/18/2012 12:21:38 PM PST by spokeshave (Ron Paul finally lit a match after dousing himself with gasoline)
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To: Tallguy
I also expect that our SSN’s will pick off a few using methods not discussed in public forums such as this.

It's no secret. Everyone knows you convince the captain to defect then fake a nuclear accident to get the crew off.

33 posted on 01/18/2012 12:26:28 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan
Is there a submarine ping list?
I would guess not, since the last thing a sub wants is to be "pinged"!

Thank you! I'm here all week! Don't forget to tip your wait staff!

34 posted on 01/18/2012 12:31:25 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Tallguy
They don’t need the subs to take out the supertankers. Simple sea mines would be more cost effective. As such, best use of the Kilos might be as undersea minelayers. Sew a minefield across the strait & ‘declare the strait closed’.

We do have anti-mine capabilities, and we can use other sonar devices to detect such chokepoints. Tankers might move through their more slowly, waiting for an escort, but they'd still get through the strait.

35 posted on 01/18/2012 12:31:44 PM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Lou L

Agreed. And something else... most of those double-hulled supertankers would take a hit from a sea mine and simply shrug it off. During the 80’s tanker war the commander of the US Escort Group simply put the tankers in a single-file line behind the first tanker to hit a mine. All the US destroyers & frigates fell-in behind as well.


36 posted on 01/18/2012 12:38:52 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They will be really stealthy when they are in pieces at the bottom of the gulf.

These guys are serious?


37 posted on 01/18/2012 12:39:12 PM PST by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: Jeff Head
At one point during the Reagan administration, it was decided to let the Soviets know just how good our submarine tracking abilities were. So our attack subs, all over the world, at the exact same time, pinged every Russian missile sub.

Over the course of the following weeks and months, as each sub returned to base and reported on their missions, the Russians slowly came to the realization that every one of their subs were being successfully tracked.

LINK

38 posted on 01/18/2012 12:39:39 PM PST by Johnny B.
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To: Lou L

... but what the Iranians are training to do this time is to perform “swarm attacks” using high-speed boats supported by heavier units. They will hit the convoys while they are picking their way through the minefields, making systematic minesweeping difficult.


39 posted on 01/18/2012 12:41:20 PM PST by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Stevenc131
When the submarine lies on the sea bed

The kilo is a diesel electric. It can't stay down a long time. It has to surface to recharge its batteries.

40 posted on 01/18/2012 12:42:24 PM PST by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Pan_Yan

I one of them.


41 posted on 01/18/2012 12:44:18 PM PST by brivette
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To: sukhoi-30mki

American aircraft carriers aren’t hostile.


42 posted on 01/18/2012 12:46:29 PM PST by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

is this like the Obama stealth intelect?


43 posted on 01/18/2012 12:48:56 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Stevenc131

Take a look at this and get back to me.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chinese-sub-pops-middle-U-S-Navy-exercise-leaving-military-chiefs-red-faced.html

This happened. It will happen again. It just takes determination.

The whole urgency of how the modern US military establishment will deal with the asymmetrical aspect of potential engagements is an additional factor to consider.

It is very foolish to assume we are invincible. Our invincibility heretofore has been mainly because of technology and the money to back it up. Our dilemma is that technology (ala iPhone, etc.) has a way of equalizing itself down to the lowest level that fits a wide spread commercial consumer use. Think about it.


44 posted on 01/18/2012 12:48:56 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: Johnny B.

Interesting story. Thanks for posting the link.


45 posted on 01/18/2012 12:49:30 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Tallguy
... but what the Iranians are training to do this time is to perform “swarm attacks” using high-speed boats supported by heavier units.

Again, that's been the prevailing thought before this current situation. I think most of our Navy would call such swarm attacks "target practice."

46 posted on 01/18/2012 12:50:25 PM PST by Lou L (The Senate without a filibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Loose lips sink ships?

47 posted on 01/18/2012 12:57:27 PM PST by BlueDragon (on'a $10 horse an' a $40 saddle I'm going up the trail with them longhorn cattle c'm uh ty-yi-yipy-)
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To: All

Our Carriers about 100,000 tons
The Virginia Class Attack sub about 8000 tons
The Chains/Anchor on our Carriers probably weight nearly 500 tons.

500 ton stealth sub what did it do sink and never come up.

ROFL


48 posted on 01/18/2012 12:58:01 PM PST by Bailee
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To: sukhoi-30mki

:...our submarines are covered with coatings that do not allow sound to travel through them...”

Mohammoglide.


49 posted on 01/18/2012 1:11:27 PM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Note to the Iranian sub service:

Don’t Flush
Don’t Cough
Don’t Breath
Don’t Talk
Don’t Pass Gas

We got you on tape, shaheeds...


50 posted on 01/18/2012 1:13:03 PM PST by buffaloguy
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