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Former Gingrich Wife Says He Asked for ‘Open Marriage’
NYTimes ^ | January 19, 2012 | TRIP GABRIEL

Posted on 01/19/2012 7:51:31 AM PST by maggief

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To: svcw

I live in Virginia, my vote was pretty much a done deal...Paul in primary/whoever in election.

If we don’t get behind whoever the nominee is, I don’t think that’s the smart thing to do. I’ll just wait and see what Jim says.


301 posted on 01/19/2012 12:18:52 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: reaganaut

What exactly would this rebellion entail?


302 posted on 01/19/2012 12:20:17 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

“OK, but it seems that it could be the first time freepers don’t get to talk about the election in any kind of positive terms. That’s sad.”

Let me help guide you...

I hope it’s not that same old Mitt again! [please post with appropriate picture again].

Hope is always positive. And I’m positive I won’t be supporting him...


303 posted on 01/19/2012 12:24:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Proud RINOmney Denialist since 2007!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

ok


304 posted on 01/19/2012 12:29:20 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: FreeReign
Now, shall I post for you the long list of Santorum things that he has done that is liberal?

No need to. I know that Santorum, although 100% pro-life, is not an authentic and consistent conservative. The only man that fit that bill dropped out of the race this morning. Santorum is merely the best of a bad lot. A very bad lot.

305 posted on 01/19/2012 12:34:13 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: maggief
After Lewinsky became a VERB along with cigars in the Oval Office, nobody cares anymore.
306 posted on 01/19/2012 12:40:14 PM PST by ExSoldier (FMR Infantry Captain; 25 yrs an NRA Instructor; Master of KLIK-PAO!)
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To: stuartcr
Romney is a legislatively more successful version of Bill Clinton. For instance:

1. Clinton could only get a 10 year assault weapons ban passed, ROMNEY SIGNED A PERMANENT BAN IN 2004 !

2. Clinton could barely get "Don't ask don't tell" instituted, ROMNEY WAS GOVERNOR OF THE FIRST STATE TO LEGALIZE GAY MARRIAGE !

3. Hillary's health care summit failed. ROMNEY CHAMPIONED COMMIE ROMNEYCARE AS GOVERNOR !

4. Both Clinton and Romney dodged the Vietnam draft to spend time in Europe.

The list goes on and on.

Just look what that cult has done to you people. It's a damn shame.

I won't vote for Romney for the same reasons I didn't vote for Clinton....EVEN MORE SO, COME WHAT MAY !!

307 posted on 01/19/2012 12:43:39 PM PST by SENTINEL (Romney is to Conservatism what Mormonism is to Christianity.)
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To: SENTINEL

Doesn’t have anything to do with what I said, but ok.


308 posted on 01/19/2012 12:47:28 PM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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309 posted on 01/19/2012 12:51:34 PM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: maggief
Didn't Obama take out his Senate opponent the same way?
310 posted on 01/19/2012 12:54:19 PM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: sodpoodle
She probably needs a hearing aid;) What he said: “I want this marriage to be OVER (not open)!!!!

They just played a clip from the interview on the radio. Marianne said, "He said, 'You want me all to yourself; Calista doesn't care what I do.'" The interviewer asked, "And what do you think he meant?" Marianne: "He wanted an open marriage."

If the quote from Newt is accurate, it sounds more to me like Marianne -- who, according to Rush today, didn't like the public aspects of Newt's life (though she seems to have got over an aversion to publicity!) -- wanted to run every minute of his day (she called him 10 times a day???) and be central over his career. Seems likely that her demands were a constant and perhaps growing source of stress in the marriage before he ever met Calista.

The "open marriage" bit seems to be her own interpretation rather than a quote.

311 posted on 01/19/2012 12:54:36 PM PST by maryz
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To: mnehring; LibsRJerks; Boardwalk; TShaunK; Hilda; Strategerist; All
37 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:09:52 AM by mnehring: “Private issue between a married couple.”

I heard that too many times from Democrats about Clinton.

44 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:12:41 AM by TShaunK: “Right. So what? Not ideal but what guy wouldn’t want that arrangment?At least he has the balls and honesty to ask her. Can’t make the sale if you don’t ask for the order.”

I can't believe I'm seeing this on a conservative pro-family website. Do you really think threesomes and open marriages are every man's fantasy? Maybe they are for some people, but if we can't trust a man to remain faithful to his wife, can be trust him to run our country?

50 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:16:25 AM by Boardwalk: “Don’t mormons have multiple wives?”

Not today. Mormons long ago had a “revelation” ditching that doctrine allowing polygamy. I have no use for Romney politically because of his past advocacy for baby-killing, and religiously speaking, I believe Mormons are a cult, but I can appreciate Romney's repeatedly stated position that he finds the idea of being sexually involved with multiple women to be disgusting.

84 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:40:13 AM by LibsRJerks: “Well, it’s all scummy and sleazy, and I don’t agree with what he did. However, it was a long time ago and he has since claimed that’s he’s confessed his wrongs and now appears to be in a stable marriage. That’s all I can really fall back on in any of this. We’ve all done horrible scummy sleazy things and we’ve all sought forgiviness for it. I am not exempt in this matter, so therefore, I still don’t believe I can really judge Newt for any of it. It’s truly between Newt and his God (which I believe is the same as mine).”

Yours is one of the few posts defending Newt Gingrich that I can respect.

The issue is that repentance, to be genuine, needs to follow the model of David and Bathsheba ... very public, and with sackcloth and ashes, and with a clear understanding that because repentance can be faked, it will always be suspected of insincerity.

I'd be a lot more inclined to believe Newt Gingrich's repentance if years ago he had gone public with this sort of stuff. I am inclined now both to disbelieve his sincerity and question his political judgment. He certainly knew or should have known that this would blow up in his face if he ever became a credible candidate for president.

But then again, he's the one who couldn't get his people to submit enough signatures to get on the ballot in Virginia. There is a pattern of dropped balls with Gingrich, and a lack of national organization one would not expect for someone in his position. (And yes, I'm well aware that Santorum and Perry had the same problem. I have the same concerns about both that they're “not ready for prime time.”)

110 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:57:53 AM by Hilda: “Marriage is between ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN, and I don’t think a REAL conservative can compromise on that!”

Amen, Hilda, and I'm really unhappy to see that isn't something we all can agree on.

173 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 11:33:41 AM by Strategerist: “Newt has two options (and I mean this afternoon, and no later). 1) Drop out and endorse Santorum. 2) Give a tearful public apology to Marianne. The second option has maybe a 5% chance of working.”

I'm afraid I agree, with a qualification.

The tearful apology to Marianne Gingrich needed to be made years ago. And if it had been made years ago, this probably would not be coming up now because either 1) the ex-Mrs. Gingrich accepted the apology as sincere, or 2) Newt Gingrich knew from years back that she was a ticking time bomb ready to go off that would keep him from re-entering public life.

312 posted on 01/19/2012 12:57:34 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: PA-RIVER

Well you are clearly accepting the ex-wifes’ story at face value. The question is, are you doing that for political reasons?

I will research your posting history and find out.


313 posted on 01/19/2012 12:57:34 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Are you assuming what she is saying is true?
Bitter ex wife, bitter divorce = suspect accusations.


314 posted on 01/19/2012 1:04:04 PM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Yep.

wiki:

On March 29, 2004, Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider ruled that several of the Ryans’ divorce records should be opened to the public, ...


315 posted on 01/19/2012 1:06:18 PM PST by maggief
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To: PA-RIVER

Ok then.....having looked through some of your recent posting I don’t think that you are taking the ex-wifes’ word due to political reasons so I will just ask you; Why do you just assume that she is telling the truth?

Before you ask, I can tell you that I assume that the ex-wife COULD BE lying because I HAVE an ex-wife.


316 posted on 01/19/2012 1:09:53 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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To: darrellmaurina

Call me when we are voting for a Pope. At least, unlike Clinton, Newts screwing wasnt screwing the legal system and public. Considering the country is getting screwed, might as well get someone who has first hand experience in that.


317 posted on 01/19/2012 1:10:37 PM PST by mnehring
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To: darrellmaurina

Why do you automatically assume that the ex-wife is telling the truth?


318 posted on 01/19/2012 1:11:48 PM PST by Grunthor (I am a conservative, neither half of the one party represents my views.)
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To: maggief
After Lewinsky became a VERB along with cigars in the Oval Office, nobody cares anymore.
319 posted on 01/19/2012 1:11:48 PM PST by ExSoldier (FMR Infantry Captain; 25 yrs an NRA Instructor; Master of KLIK-PAO!)
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To: longtermmemmory

you betcha

My 2 cents is this....if Rick S had not bashed Gov Palin after she stepped down as Gov, and if he had not belittled her on another occasion, Rick S might be in a better place today.


320 posted on 01/19/2012 1:34:09 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
I don't think Newt is toast. Remember Kennedy's Camelot. It really wasn't a nice place for Jackie. Then there was Clinton's White House sexual affairs. Politicians and sex have not stopped many from running and/or winning the presidency.
321 posted on 01/19/2012 1:35:27 PM PST by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: pgkdan
“He came to her and said I want to stay married to you and still have an affair with Callista.” It appears that Newt is channeling ol' JS; so you MORMONs had better support HIM over MR!
322 posted on 01/19/2012 1:38:22 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Grunthor; mnehring; All
318 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:11:48 PM by Grunthor: “Why do you automatically assume that the ex-wife is telling the truth?”

I don't.

The problem is that two days before the South Carolina primary, it is probably too late to rebut what she said. Furthermore, this new accusation is in line with a pattern of prior bad behavior by Gingrich.

Gingrich certainly should have known this was coming. I suspect he has a battle plan prepared. The trouble is no matter what he says, it will almost certainly sound horrible.... either insincere false repentance that should have been said years ago, or meanspirited attacks on his ex-wife, bringing out dirty laundry.

We'll see how he (and Callista) respond. I grant that Gingrich is brilliant, so maybe he has an idea how to solve this. I can't imagine what it could be.

317 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:10:37 PM by mnehring: “Call me when we are voting for a Pope. At least, unlike Clinton, Newts screwing wasnt screwing the legal system and public. Considering the country is getting screwed, might as well get someone who has first hand experience in that.”

I'm well aware we aren't voting for a religious leader. If we were, I wouldn't have supported Ronald Reagan. I've voted for numerous candidates in the past for federal, state and local office who would not be considered as a candidate for elder in my church or in some cases even allowed to be a church member.

That's not the point.

I said this on a different thread: “We cannot let the Republican Party turn into something comparable to conservative parties in Europe where gross immorality in the leaders of Italy and France is not just tolerated and winked at but actually considered to be no big deal, and just something powerful men do.

The stakes are too high. We're already seeing Freepers seriously argue that Gingrich's past adulteries are a private matter between him and his wife. That is not true. And it should not be something said by conservatives.

Nominating Gingrich, under current circumstances, will enable the worst segments of secular conservative politics. It will show the American electorate that the conservative wing of the Republican Party turned against three men (Romney, Perry and Santorum) who as far as anyone can tell, never cheated on their wives and were faithful to the teachings of their respective churches, and decided instead to back a serial adulterer and put him up against a Democrat whose politics are poison but who appears to have a stable marriage.

In my book, that is too much to lose.”

323 posted on 01/19/2012 1:39:21 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: Elsie

You’re a sick old turd.


324 posted on 01/19/2012 1:58:57 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Elsie

You’re a sick old turd with lousy HTML skills.


325 posted on 01/19/2012 1:59:35 PM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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If the headline COULD read (which it can’t) Perry, Romney, Santorum, or Paul etc. (or, for that matter, the name of any Democrat)....my guess is the reaction would be much different, Christian conservatives would believe the story, be in a rage cheering for the candidate’s demise and career destruction.

Do Rush supporters really believe the “at least he asked permission” comment, justifies the behavior?

With politics, it doesn’t matter who the target is, sadly it seems behavior is always judged by which camp you’re sitting in.


326 posted on 01/19/2012 2:04:24 PM PST by Kimberly GG ("Path to Citizenship" Amnesty candidates will NOT get my vote!)
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To: darrellmaurina; ReignOfError

Gingrich’s ex-wife (Marianne, #2) called him on his birthday to tell him she was getting a divorce; he came home to find the house empty, all the furnishings gone. They actually ended up getting a separation, and it was during this time that Gingrich met Calista. BTW, the separation papers contained a clause permitting both parties to date other people. This is not unusual for a separation and is not an “open marriage.”

A few years later, they reconciled, I suspect because Marianne is a very needy person and Gingrich seems to have a track record of being perhaps overly responsible in making up for his errors (he married his first wife, who was his highschool teacher who seduced him when he was 16, after she had gotten pregnant; he was 19 when he married her over his father’s objections).

This reconciliation did not last very long, and they separated again and then were divorced not too much later.


327 posted on 01/19/2012 2:31:14 PM PST by livius
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To: flaglady47

former fellow cheater becomes secondwife wife...gets dumped

tries to torpedo his life 20 years later with her fellow travelers in the media

Newts daughters come to defend their daddy

odds are she will come across as what she is

have you seen her

not very sympathetic


328 posted on 01/19/2012 3:04:02 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: flaglady47

former fellow cheater becomes secondwife wife...gets dumped

tries to torpedo his life 20 years later with her fellow travelers in the media

Newts daughters come to defend their daddy

odds are she will come across as what she is

have you seen her

not very sympathetic


329 posted on 01/19/2012 3:04:14 PM PST by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: pgkdan
You’re a sick old turd with lousy HTML skills.

Oh NO!

I've been diagnosed from afar!

What EVER shall I do?

330 posted on 01/19/2012 3:46:51 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39
I see the usual MittBots are screaming at the top of their lungs about Newt...they can put this in their pipes and smoke it.

Its funny how Mormons will scream about Newt but ignore their religion's view of polygamy.

331 posted on 01/19/2012 3:47:42 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Grunthor
In the coming election, if family values are the only thing that someone is voting on, then they are too damned stupid to vote anyway.

Absolutely!

But we already know that the American electorate is stupid. See Obama, Barack Hussein.

332 posted on 01/19/2012 4:33:33 PM PST by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: TShaunK

What guy would not want that arrangement? One with depth of character. One with integrity who honours his wedding vows. One who truly defines marriage as between one man and one woman. What kind of guy would want that arrangement? Smarmy, sleazy, slimey and one with a problem only Bob Dole can solve.


333 posted on 01/19/2012 4:48:04 PM PST by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Jim Robinson; stuartcr
Sure. On some other website. FR is and will remain a pro-life, pro-family, limited government conservative site. RomneyCare Romney with it’s mandates against the people and $50 taxpayer funded abortions is none of the above!

Amen!

If the Establishment Republicans think they can ALWAYS give us a pro-abortion candidate in sheep's clothing and we'll just "roll over" and support him as an anti-Dem scenario vote, then...
#1...that's all we'd EVER get again from them...
#2...they don't know our conservative conscience very well.

If Mitt won the nomination...
...and if I voted for him...
...one day I'll have to explain to our Creator why I voted for someone who only four years ago...
-- a full three years after claiming to be "pro-life" due to a tale about realization who embryos were...
--and a full year after campaigning as "pro-life"...
...he (Mitt) told Katie Couric the following:

Couric: So what kind of embryos - embryos that are created for procreation and then would be discarded? Are those the ones that you feel are perfectly fine from which to cull cells for stem cell research?

Romney: Yes, those embryos that are referred to commonly as surplus embryos from in-vitro fertilization. Those embryos, I hope, could be available for adoption for people who would like to adopt embryos. But if a PARENT decides they would want to donate one of those embryos for purposes of RESEARCH, in my view, that's acceptable. It should not be made against the law.

Source: CBS, original interview aired Dec. 4, 2007, Candidates Reveal Their Biggest Mistakes

Any of you "parents" want to "donate" one of your offspring that the Creator has provided to you for "research" purposes? And then you still have the gall to call yourself "pro-life?"

334 posted on 01/19/2012 5:31:32 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Colofornian

I believe that no matter what you may do, the Creator already knows the what and the why of it. I don’t think any explanation is necessary.


335 posted on 01/20/2012 5:49:27 AM PST by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: mewzilla
Here's a thought: With millions of Americans who fit the constitutional criteria, can we find a few to run who AREN'T socialists and/or degenerates? Just a thought :-)

Why would anyone want the job nowadays, with the way the media probes into every single little detail of your life?

It's almost becoming a "Catch-22"-like thing, the fact somebody even wants the job in the first place, would suggest that they aren't playing with a full deck to being with.

336 posted on 01/20/2012 7:08:12 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: teenyelliott

While it’s known, it still concerns me it may do enough damage still since it’s a new to many people allegation.

However, the latest polling doesn’t show that, which is good news.

I didn’t say I wasn’t for Newt, and I loved his responses last night. I am switching from Santorum back to him despite his flaws at this point.


337 posted on 01/20/2012 8:53:25 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: rodeo-mamma

Thanks, hon. Newt has some great assets. But his deficits are mighty and it scares me. Hope he can actually listen to the Gd he talks about.


338 posted on 01/20/2012 12:03:17 PM PST by Yaelle (moneybomb for Santorum: $1m by Sat! https://www.ricksantorum.com/)
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To: livius; svcw; Grunthor; All
314 posted on Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:04:04 PM by svcw: "Are you assuming what she is saying is true? Bitter ex wife, bitter divorce = suspect accusations."

Sorry I missed your post until today. I'm not assuming that; as I said to Grunthor, "The problem is that two days before the South Carolina primary, it is probably too late to rebut what she said. Furthermore, this new accusation is in line with a pattern of prior bad behavior by Gingrich."

It's now after South Carolina. Gingrich won, fair and square, and by a large margin. He deserves credit for that, and frankly, I don't have a good explanation for why the most conservative and most strongly Bible Belt parts of the state seem to have been the sources of his strongest support.

I guess my hat is off to Gingrich. He's proved -- and proved with a double digit margin of victory -- that lots of conservative Christians in a Bible Belt state are willing to vote for a three-times-married man with multiple past adulteries. I'm not sure what that says about the future of America, but it definitely does show that Gingrich has a fighting chance at winning the Republican nomination.

@ Livius (re. #327): We have no disagreement about Newt Gingrich's two ex-wives appearing to be people with serious problems themselves. The question is whether “for better or for worse” means what it says.

I think many of us in conservative Christian circles can think of fellow church members who are personally devout, successful at work, appear to have their own lives in control and children who are respectful and walking the Christian walk, but privately have spouses at home who are major problems and who would be a huge liability to them if serving as elders or deacons, or in other public positions. An apparently wonderful home life may appear that way only because the husband spends a huge amount of time trying to keep his wife happy. The stories of Gingrich's ex-wife calling him ten times per day ring true; I've heard of numerous similar situations and personally know of several.

I Timothy and Titus have clear qualifications for church office, and they're there for a reason.

I know those standards don't apply strictly to political office, but they're certainly good guides. When a wife or husband is seriously needy and causing lots of problems at home, maybe it's an indicator that the spouse needs to focus on issues at home, not public life.

The Congressional “second wives’ club” has become a public disgrace in our national government, and it's a problem in both parties, not just the Democrats. Far too many people who were able to hold troubled marriages together when serving in state legislatures have had their marriages collapse once elected to Congress following a move to Washington due to distance from home, high stress levels, and (for male Congressmen) the availability of lots of young attractive female staff members who, unlike lots of “back home wives” are intensely interested in a political career and don't mind providing a Congressman some “comfort” when he's frustrated with his wife's “inability to appreciate her husband's accomplishments” because she wants him home for their son's baseball game or daughter's piano recital.

A man with a troubled marriage is going to have massive problems in Washington and in many state capitals as well. As American society continues to fall apart, we'll probably see the same pattern with younger female Congresswomen, but at least for now we don't have sexually predatory Congresswomen hunting the halls for available interns and staffers.

But then again, I need to leave for my county courthouse soon to get the papers on a woman in her twenties who got arrested Saturday for statutory rape of a 15-year-old (sounds like Newt Gingrich's former teacher) so maybe I shouldn't assume we don't have sexually predatory women in Congress already. I've heard some horror stories about attractive female elected officials in my own state government, and while they all involve consensual activities with male lobbyists and other male politicians, I suppose it's not impossible those women are also after male interns.

339 posted on 01/23/2012 12:54:08 PM PST by darrellmaurina
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To: darrellmaurina

I don’t have a good explanation for why the most conservative and most strongly Bible Belt parts of the state seem to have been the sources of his strongest support.

I guess my hat is off to Gingrich. He’s proved — and proved with a double digit margin of victory — that lots of conservative Christians in a Bible Belt state are willing to vote for a three-times-married man with multiple past adulteries. I’m not sure what that says about the future of America, but it definitely does show that Gingrich has a fighting chance at winning the Republican nomination.


A) Christians believe in the power of forgiveness and that once God has forgiven a man, to bring it up later (Marianne) and throw it in his face is about as low as whale s**t.

B)40 + percent of marriages in this nation end in divorce. Christian marriages do not have better numbers than society as a whole. IOW, we understand.


340 posted on 01/23/2012 4:12:17 PM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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