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Scarborough: Conservative Leaders All Tell Me They Want Brokered Convention
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 01/20/2012 5:02:10 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

"I've been talking quietly to the most powerful, I think, conservative movers-and-shakers in Washington over the past couple weeks, trying to get their read. Are we really going down this path? Every single one I've spoken to is trying to figure out a way to get to a brokered convention."

That was Joe Scarborough on Morning Joe today. For good measure, Scarborough also stated as a simple fact that Sarah Palin wants a brokered convention.

View the video here.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: joescarborough; mittromney; newtgingrich; rncconvention
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To: Hugin
Picking someone who didn't go through that to run against Obama would be like picking a college quarterback to play in the Superbowl.

I agree. It would be tantamount to suicide to pick an unvetted candidate. The MSM would have a field day making up all new lies and slander in the final months leading up to the election. Our candidate isn't likely to have the cash to effectively fight that and create his own image for the electorate.

No, as bad as the current crop is, we have a much better chance at ABO with the vetted group than the unvetted.

Among the current nominees, I like Newt. He may have a checkered past (not as checkered as Bill Clinton who is beloved for nearly all of the same reasons Newt is hated) but he is a fighter and generally right on the issues.

51 posted on 01/20/2012 6:53:16 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I have been calling for Rush to start a REPULICAN Operation Chaos for 2 months now! I do not want ANYBODY to drop out, was mad that Perry left.

With four candidates remaining, it will still work though. Ron Paul is good for 20%+ in most states that have an open primary, and 12-18% or so in those with caucus or closed primary. Santorum can pull a good 10-15% in the bible belt states, and Newt seems to have momentum and will get 30-35%. That leaves Romney, who probably is capped at no more than 40% max and probably more like 35%.

If we can keep all 4 going, nobody will come close to getting enough delegates to win the nomination and then we can hope the Republicans nominate somebody like Paul Ryan. The RATS under Obama have been spending millions on oppo research, mostly on Romney. If the convention is brokered, all that money is wasted, and the Rats have a very SHORT window to dig up dirt on the nominee.


52 posted on 01/20/2012 7:00:58 AM PST by milwguy
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Joe Scarborough is the last guy who would be on the inside track of what the conservative leaders are thinking. He’s a left wing tool.


53 posted on 01/20/2012 7:01:19 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Haiku Guy

Not a fantasy at all. Romney is capped at 35% support. Newt could never win a general election. Paul has a rabid 20% support, and Santorum has the bible thumpers behind him. All the elements for a brokered convention are falling into place as long as Santorum and Paul stick around.


54 posted on 01/20/2012 7:03:40 AM PST by milwguy
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To: Cowman

If there is a brokered Republican convention in 2012, I will eat my hat.


55 posted on 01/20/2012 7:04:32 AM PST by Haiku Guy (We don't need to Occupy Wall Street... We need to Occupy K Street!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

“Your thoughts?”

I think they are beginning to get nervous about Romney being able to carry the primary. They just want to go ahead and appoint him. A brokered convention will serve conservatives as well as the Republican House under Boehner.

More games of the nomenklatura.


56 posted on 01/20/2012 7:07:13 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: greeneyes

“Lots of danger there. GOP E more than likely will get their way. They will cheat to get what they want.”

Precisely.


57 posted on 01/20/2012 7:09:06 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Scarborough: They Want Brokered Convention ...."Fear, the Establishment is rank with it."
58 posted on 01/20/2012 7:10:42 AM PST by TheCause ("that these United Colonies are, and of right ought to be, free and independent States")
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To: Crichton
Note to Pubbie delegates: Think of yourselves on a ship of state. In this case, the Titanic, which is steaming straight on into the biggest financial iceberg the world has ever seen. Your party bosses know good and well what's about to happen, while you small fry in steerage are being keptnin blissful ignorance. Now you delegates can stand there with your thumbs up your butts, tugging your forelocks with your free hands while your betters make for the lifeboats. Or you can steel your spines, think outside the box, and screw the ruling class to the wall at convention time by banding together and coming up with a conservative nominee. There's time before the convention. Take a deep breath and git-r-done.
59 posted on 01/20/2012 7:14:54 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“it’s when no body gets a majority of the delegates outright, and the insiders go into a room basically and pick who will be the nominee. And they can pick ANYONE even someone who didn’t run.”

I wonder if you could elaborate? it becomes “brokered” after how many votes of the delegates? after some candidates release their delegates and new votes are taken? how many new votes? by “insiders” you mean the members of the RNC? which members of the RNC? all 168? the 168 plus certain others? are these votes recorded?

Seems like nobody wants to get specific on these questions, and these questions do have specific answers, and the rules are written, and there is a rules committee, and a political party is governed by rules that are much like laws. I would like to delve deeper, but there are people who already know answers to these question, but I don’t think they want everybody else to know the answers to these questions


60 posted on 01/20/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by ngat
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To: milwguy

“Santorum has the bible thumpers behind him.”

Not this one.

:-)


61 posted on 01/20/2012 7:37:54 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: ngat
As I understand it (might be off a little on the details)

I think after the first vote when no one gets a majority... all the different delegates are free to vote for whoever they wish in the 2nd vote..

but since all the delegates are strong supporters of their particular candidate ... a second vote will in most cases just result in the same outcome with no one getting a majority.

So... what happens then is the wheeling and dealing. So and so (maybe someone like Paul) goes into a back room and agrees to have his supporters vote for candidate X in return for _____ and this back room dealing goes on until they have assembled a majority, at which point each candidate goes and tells their delegates they have made and deal and they should now support candidate X in the next vote.

But candidate X could be ANYONE.

62 posted on 01/20/2012 7:41:42 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: ngat

after the first ballot, the delegates are free to vote for whomever they wish. Even if their candidate doesn’t release them. If is more like a free-for-all. There really aren’t brokers anymore.

The theory is that if Mitt don’t make it, he’ll be told it is over and his delegates will support the selected candidate who will be more palatable to the anti-MITT delegates. it is the Mitch Daniels scenario.

But Mitch will have to win a few primaries in the spring to prove himself.


63 posted on 01/20/2012 7:44:14 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: milwguy
...and Santorum has the bible thumpers behind him.

You got something against "bible thumpers"?

64 posted on 01/20/2012 7:51:27 AM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

of course, RonPaul’s delegates do not have to listen to him on who to support.

And ronPaul is the least likely to be involved in any dealmaking. If they wanna get the support of Newt’s delegates, they don’t even have to approach NEWT. They can approach the delegates directly.

No, it won’t go to 49 ballots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1852_Democratic_National_Convention


65 posted on 01/20/2012 7:56:33 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
... on whom to support.
66 posted on 01/20/2012 8:02:00 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT
here's the deal... and this could vary from state to state.

but if the candidate picks the delegate.. it's going to be extremely loyal to that particular candidate and be very unlikely to vote for anyone else unless directed to by that particular candidate.

BUT it's possible that in some states the delegates are selected by someone other than the candidate.. and in those cases, their vote could very well change after the first ballot.

If most or all of the delegates were selected by the candidates themselves to represent them from among their most loyal followers... THEN you would have a situation where a deal would have to be made to get someone over the 50% mark

SO... let's look at the situation we are in

lets say Romney gets 35% of the delegates, Gingrich gets 40% and Paul gets 15% (this is not for demonstration purposes)

If Paul absolutely refuses to support either Romney or Gingrich and no deal can be reached (like appointing Paul federal reserve chairman or something like that)... then Gingrich and Romney would have to deal with each other ... if neither is willing to say.. be the vice president of the other... because Gingrich thinks Romney is a liberal and Romney thinks Gingrich is Crazy then ... the only way to resolve the stalemate might be to purpose someone else (possibly that didn't even run) that they can both agree on... so lets say... they purpose ... Jeb Bush... and both Romney and Gingrich are willing to throw their support to Jeb in return for Romney being made vice president, and Newt being appointed chief of staff or something of that nature.

67 posted on 01/20/2012 8:17:21 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Nope, just shorthand for saying the evangelicals support him.


68 posted on 01/20/2012 8:32:35 AM PST by milwguy
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To: mewzilla

BTTT.


69 posted on 01/20/2012 9:28:05 AM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

How in the heck would Joe Scarborough know ANYTHING about what conservatives want since he is NOT a conservative and has never been a conservative!


70 posted on 01/20/2012 9:31:26 AM PST by Bigun ("The most fearsome words in the English language are I'm from the government and I'm here to help!")
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Thanks for responding with that information. Sorry for my late reply, had to go work (after the first ballot, the delegates are free to vote for whomever they wish. Even if their candidate doesn’t release them. If is more like a free-for-all. There really aren’t brokers anymore.The theory is that if Mitt don’t make it, he’ll be told it is over and his delegates will support the selected candidate who will be more palatable to the anti-MITT delegates. it is the Mitch Daniels scenario)

That scenario sure sounds like something “brokers” would come up with to me!


71 posted on 01/20/2012 5:17:25 PM PST by ngat
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To: ngat

well, I am sure some will see themselves as brokers. But only if the delegates cooperate.

It is plausible that the MITT delegates would not want to support NEWT and therefore would agree to support candidate X if MITT tells them he’s out. DOubtful many MITT delegates will flip over to NEWT.

Ya never know. Case by case basis. Many of the delegates are not really involved with their state parties, only involved with the candidate’s campaign .... so they aren’t necessarily controlled by anyone. Many or most or some are “free agents”.


72 posted on 01/20/2012 7:44:06 PM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: rightwingextremist1776

HE is the warrior we need to kick some commie a$$..

Amen


73 posted on 01/20/2012 8:20:07 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: milwguy

The RATS under Obama have been spending millions on oppo research, mostly on Romney. If the convention is brokered, all that money is wasted, and the Rats have a very SHORT window to dig up dirt on the nominee.

This is exactly why I would like a brokered convention.


74 posted on 01/20/2012 8:23:36 PM PST by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: milwguy

“...and Santorum has the bible thumpers behind him...”

Bible thumpers... Hmmmmm....sounds vaguely similar to the way Obama talks.


75 posted on 01/21/2012 6:41:27 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: CPT Clay; governsleastgovernsbest

You’re assuming a brokered convention won’t end up nominating Romney and simply throwing in Newt or Santorum as VP


76 posted on 01/21/2012 6:51:18 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: CPT Clay; governsleastgovernsbest

You’re assuming a brokered convention won’t end up nominating Romney and simply throwing in Newt or Santorum as VP


77 posted on 01/21/2012 6:51:29 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks governsleastgovernsbest. Ah, the lovely aroma of pure B.S.:
"I've been talking quietly to the most powerful, I think, conservative movers-and-shakers in Washington over the past couple weeks, trying to get their read."

78 posted on 01/29/2012 6:57:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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