Skip to comments.Note To Newt: Character Matters, Especially In Presidents
Posted on 01/20/2012 7:23:43 PM PST by Kaslin
By definition, if you run for president, anything is on the table. Ask Grover Cleveland. Ask Andrew Jackson. Anything is on the table. I accept that, but I don't have to participate in the conversation."
That was Newt Gingrich, last May, when I asked him about whether intrusion into candidates' personal lives had gone too far. At the time, Gingrich's biggest headache was his Tiffany shopping habit, but Gingrich obviously had issues of sexual misconduct on his mind as well: Cleveland was assailed for allegedly having an out-of-wedlock child, Jackson for a possibly bigamous marriage.
And I thought Gingrich had it about right: When you run for president, you open yourself to the kind of searching scrutiny that a finger-pointing, voice-raised Gingrich condemned at Thursday night's debate.
"I think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office, and I am appalled that you would begin a presidential debate on a topic like that," Gingrich told CNN's John King.
Gingrich, denouncing the reports from his second ex-wife as "trash" and "false," continued. "Every person in here has had someone close to them go through painful things," he said, to wild cheering from the audience.
"To take an ex-wife and make it two days before the primary a significant question in a presidential campaign is as close to despicable as anything I can imagine."
(Excerpt) Read more at news.investors.com ...
Not worth the read. Waste of time.
So, this woman is pretending that media bias somehow doesn’t exist? Lol @ her.
You’re asking for trouble posting that kind of stuff on FR. Newt is the new untouchable messiah around here and Newt bashing will not be tolerated. /s To be serious, I agree with the article, its Newt’s problem and its fair game to question him about it. It also speaks volumes of the character of Newt Gingrich.
Bobby, Marilyn & John
I’m at the point where I’m rooting for Newt. Who’d’a thunk it? I can dream about a brokered convention where I get the nomination, but we can do a lot worse than Newt. Isn’t that how it always ends...that explains the calluses on my nose. Either way, anarchy is on the horizon. Why is the left so angry when they are winning?
Character is important, but the the elitists forced them out. Cain and Bachmann weren’t good enough, for the GOP, media, Rove, and the other RINOS. So, what are we left with? The GOP forced us to look elsewhere, other than their beloved Romney. The republican party will never get another dime from me.
“With the millions of people who are qualified to be president in the USA I think it is interesting that all we have to choose from are a communist who might not be qualified, a ultimate politician and a serial, if forgiven by God, adulterer.”
If there are millions of people qualified to be president in the USA you’d think at least one of them would have shown up to run for the office in the past 30 years.
But the left only takes apart the right-—never the JFK’s, LBJ, FDR’s, BJC, Zero.
True, character matters, but too good-—a person (like Marcus Aurelius) who was not Machiavellian enough to kill the evil Commodus, because he was his son, destroyed Rome. The philosopher king knew how evil Commodus was even in his childhood, and he allowed him to become the next emperor.
That being said-—great people—like St. Paul, St. Augustine, etc., have very checkered, evil pasts and turn out great——Past wrongs-—especially if you believe in God, doesn’t mean you can’t change.
The fact that Newt has grandkids maybe will make him understand the dire need to protect this last, great hope of mankind. He sure says some great things and has written some great books.
Truth is until we decide to start changing the culture in America, we won’t find the leaders we need.
One or two elections will not save the United States of America.
I have thrown all my support behind Newt Gingrich. I would hope all rational conservatives would do the same. Sure there will always be some panty-waisted pharisees out there analyzing their navels but screw them. This is war.
Proof he is dead wrong:Clinton and Obama, enough said? Character does not count one tiny spec!
Note to Ruth..character only matters to you if it is a republican. If its a Democrat they could rape a girl scout and you would say she shouldn’t have been selling cookies
Well, she’s a left wing lunatic. What do you expect?
“Last time I checked, Newt and his Wife have atoned for their sins and have sought forgiveness in their Church.
Of course, we could just stone them to death like the Muzzies like to do, reelect the Marxist with nothing to lose for the next four years and move on”.
Since none of us will ever know the true circumstances surrounding Newt and his current and former Wives, all we have is our Christian belief in forgiveness and redemption.
For some of us that is enough, for others, there is nothing that Newt and his Wife can say or do that will sway their opinion. So be it.
Oh yeah, the one who had nothing but praise for all the criminal lefties infesting DC, and nothing but bewilderment and scorn for all conservatives.
Yeah, that Marcus.
Now, she talks smack regards Mr. Gingrich, and we should just walk away and vote Mitt. Rah Rah Rah, I see my errors now.
Some of you scumsuckers are forgiven, for you are truly ignorant.
Others? You go in knowing what you are doing.
You probably shave in the dark, lest you catch a glimpse of yourselves in the mirror, and double over with a stomach pains.
Or, most likely not.
Well...you and Newt agree on one thing at least.
From last night's debate:
GINGRICH: I think the destructive, vicious, negative nature of much of the news media makes it harder to govern this country, harder to attract decent people to run for public office.
We have Obama as President, and someone is concerned with Newt’s character? Give me a break!
Bullshit! If character was an issue, neither Bill Clinton nor obama would have even been nominated, much elected.
The trouble is you don't know which Newt will show up. Will it be the Newt that gave lectures on Conservatism to an empty house chamber so that CSPAN would have to air them or will it be the one who got caught on the couch with Pelosi? Will it be the Newt that advocated congressional spending limits or the Newt that has proclaimed the Roosevelts to be the best Presidents in history? If we could make sure the good, Conservative Newt was the only one who would be in the White House then I would be able to support him but the other Newt makes me very nervous.
yes, it does matter!
that is why Newt should release his school, college, financial and medical records including his birth certificate.
Just like Obama
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“Character matters, specially in presidents”...except Democrat presidents, that is.
You have a good screen name about Buddha since you obviously have no idea what Christian values are.
The state run media shoved McCain down our throat, they are trying to do the same with Romney, because they want 0bame to get reelected, so he can finish his destruction
At least Newt married his affairs. The first wife wrapped him up when he was a teenager and she was a teacher, and the second wife was pegged as unstable when she was still married to Newt. I don’t see Newt as a Casanova type, but in his past was so otherwise engaged and busy with his racing intellect that whomever insisted, he married.
Callista actually, I believe, was his FIRST real love. It shows. He is finally dedicated to her, and rather adoring of her. Marianne—not so much. We hear now that no one could really like Marianne, because she was thought unstable from the get-go, an opinion shared among the other congressional wives. Sadly, they were right, IMHO.
Yes character counts but no man I know is perfect. I am not Diogenes, but newt , ron Paul and Willard will not get my vote. By the process of elimination you can surmise who I would like....Santorium
Character does count but so does repentance, forgiveness, being right with your God. He could have been a better hubby , yep. But, after all , Moses did not begin his work till 80 so perhaps, with all his brilliance, Newt is a slow learner. In ethics, morals, sin, many of us are till we found a life changing Come to Jesus moment and even then it is hard in this secular liberal amoral world. I like his fire, his solutions, his change. I will vote for him but I will vote now for anybody but Bama and the libs in Congress. I am too old to see America collapse before I do.
Agree. Yawn. Newt has addressed this over and over. He has character. He made his peace with God and confessed his mistakes before the nation.
Good gosh, what’s with all the Newt bashing around here lately?
All of a sudden Newt is the villain we thought he was a year ago.
What happened to all the Newt people who made my life miserable on Perry threads. Admittedly, they weren’t quite as bad as the Cain people.
Who are all you people suddenly for? I can’t think of another attractive candidate with no flaws. Well, there was one but he’s gone.
I hope you people aren’t hoping for Santorum; he’s much less popular than Newt.
I’ve learned some things not to do:
Don’t argue with a Catholic who thinks Newt will go to hell if he doesn’t go back to his first wife.
Don’t even say anything to a home schooler. they will chew you up and spit you out (in a nice way)
We started with a second rate slate (with one exception) and we’ve pared it down to 3. (I don’t count Ron Paul)
Of the three, I like Newt best.
I think he will work hard to beat Obama and that is ALL I ask of him right now. But, as he pointed out, we also need to elect more real conservatives to the house, enough to change the leadership, and get the senate.
Then Newt will be fine and Callista’s hair will not move an inch, ever.
We went from not knowing about presidential indiscretions, John Kennedy, to knowing FAR too much, Bill Clinton. The pendulum is swinging back.
We don't want to know about Newt's sex life. (ooo a creepy feeling just came over me). It has NOTHING to do with him being president. Bill Clinton has forever changed that dynamic. The public doesn't want to go through anything like that again. The press, and some here on FR are trying to push this in our faces. We aren't having any. Times have CHANGED. Maybe not for the better, but changed they have. From boxers or briefs, to thongs, to BJs in the white house, to things you can do with cigars, to jizz on a blue dress. All VERY PRESIDENTIAL! Aren't we glad we know about all this?
Now comparing what Newt's disgruntled wife SAID he did to the Bill Clinton stuff, (not to mention Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick rape, Kathleen Willey grope and dead cat), seems quite tame, even IF true.
So, drop it already. No one wants to hear it and don't care about it anyway. It has already backfired BIG TIME on the press and looks to guarantee Newt a win in South Carolina and maybe the nomination. Wait...... I changed my mind. Keep it up.
I’m not looking for a candidate to have a slobbering love affair with, I’m looking for one to beatch slap Obama in the debates & general election. Newt would be the dude to go all Elin Nordegren on BO.
Ludicrous on it's face.
I believe all 4 sincerely believe they would be the correct answer to the times.
All 4 would do their best, as they see it, to save the Republic.
All 4 know the Republic is in near-term existential danger.
All 4 would be better than the anti-American Barak Obama.
And, if character was the defining, essential requirement for effective leadership, King David...yes THAT King David...would never have assumed the throne.
You know, the fella that Jesus Christ was DIRECTLY descended from. The fella that God Jehova his own self both placed in power...and forgave for the murder of his principal general...just so David could have a piece of her a$$.
The "Holier-than-thous sh!t has crossed the threshold of splitting the party and destroying the republic.
It's crossed the threshold of war.
I have already voted for an adulterer to be CIC, even after I had said I would NEVER vote for this man. I really believed when I cast that vote it was my duty for love of country.
Now for all the ‘holier’ than thou, that say I can only vote for flawless characters I would like to quote something for to ‘ponder’ as this election season give US our opportunity to ‘hire’ a new leader.
Jeremiah 3:8 (This is what the Heavenly Father had Jeremiah pen and it is still relevant to this day.)
AND I saw, when for all causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of DIVORCE; yet her treacherous sister Judah feared NOT, but went and played the harlot also.
SO DIVORCE and/or adultery is NOT the unpardonable SIN... YES it is a sin, but is is not ranked differently than any of the other TEN. Our Creator is a divorcee, course HE was NOT the sinner.
Now how many that are so offended by NEWT’s sins believe for one minute he would have refused our neighbor to the NORTH offer to sell US oil.
WHY are we allowing the pit of vipers who are very busy destroying US FORCE US to revisit a political candidate's personal SINS, while our economy is circling literally the drain?
EVEN on NEWT'S worst day he is head and shoulders above those who poke their finger in our eye and strip US clean bare.
In a slightly more perfect world, we’d be able to take Newt’s fire and his (mostly) conservative stances and fuse them with Romney’s squeaky clean personal life into one super-candidate.
As it is, we’ve got to make the best of the hand we’re holding in 2012. Gingrich is far from my ideal candidate, and I don’t agree with many of the things he has done in the past. If he gets the nomination, however, I’ll do my best to help him get elected. Because I have a feeling an Obama 2nd term will make the 1st term seem like a paragon of fiscal restraint and mainstream social values by comparison.
Men of accomplishment and strong personality are attractive to women.
The human race would be far less vigorous if this were not true.
Newt’s women are far, far, less important to the country than having a forceful president who can bring the ship of state back to a good course, and who will have to stand up to all sorts of obstructionists while doing that.
If he could bring us back to true capitalism, dump government overregulation, and steer us away from socialism, I really don’t care if he wants a different woman every week.
Note to Ruth: there is a time and place for every discusion - a debate is not the time or place to discuss an individual indiscretion.
OTOH, had the moderator asked: “Throughout the primaries, several candidates have been assailed with allegations of marital infidelity. How important is marital fidelty as a qualification for office, and, how should such allegations affect the people’s decision making?”, we could have had a discussion of morals & ethics and thier importance.
The Obama records which have not been released include; Passport records, Obama kindergarten records, Punahou School records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, University of Chicago scholarly articles, Illinois State Bar Association records, Illinois State Senate records/schedules(said to be lost), Medical records, Obama/Dunham marriage license, Obama/Dunham divorce documents, Soetoro/Dunham marriage license, Adoption records and of course the long-form Certificate of Live Birth.
ALL of the Above = character
I would not marry Newt. I would not marry Bush. I would not marry Ronald Reagan, come to think of it. I am not shopping for a husband. I am not in search for a Pope.
It is always going to boil down to this for our guys. Selected hit pieces (by MSM) scheduled a day before a big vote (think late October) We need to see some Obama investigative journalism by FOX, Washington Times etc and we need it now. This is fertile ground and I wish it would be exploited.
Jimmy Carter had pretty good character. Reagan was divorced and remarried.
Good leaders aren’t necessarily angels.
As far as I’m concerned, being married for 40 years and going to church is not on my list of requirements for a US President. I voted for Newt because he is clearly and forcefully promising to do what I want done. I voted for Newt because he isn’t afraid to call out the media, or anybody for that matter, when he doesn’t like what they do. I voted for Newt because he isn’t afraid to say exactly what he thinks and back it up with reasons and facts. I voted for Newt because he’s not afraid to admit mistakes and move in another direction. I voted for Newt because he’s the smartest man in most rooms.
I would have preferred Jim DeMint or any of a number of others at the beginning of this process, but they didn’t run.