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Posted on 01/21/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by tomkat
It's 0930 EST and there's nothing in the sidebar that looks like a live thread for the SC primary . . .
Isn't that what we're all supposed to desire in a leader?
I am all for unity. I call out the nasty posters who run down Newt, and lift santorum to a pedestal where he does not deserve to be.
You see, I know a great amount of detail about Santorum and his record when he was a Senator. I stand by what I say. And like Newt Gingrich, I tell it as I see it, which is why I like him so much.
You have a problem with honesty and call it being nasty, then by all means. I must be “nasty” then.
I’m ok with either Santorum or Newt, may the best man win, and whomever finishes second, should step down after today, so we can be united against Mitt.
You ARE a nasty poster. Call yourself out, psycho.
What did Santorum lie about Newt on?
When he said Character counts? It does.
When he said that he brought to Newt in a closed door House meeting corruption issues going on and said Newt swept them under the rug? Notice in Newt’s answer that he didn’t deny the charge, he just referred to all the times he did stand up to corruption.
When he said Newt spoke to House members and candidates gearing up for 2010 and told them to put a “low key on Social Issues”? Again, Newt didn’t deny he said that, but diverted the charge to his involvement in bringing about the largest House transformation in history with the 2010 Election.
When he said Gingrich supported TARP? Newt griped about it on TV, then in the 2008 interview with Greta, after TARP had been passed said he would have voted for legislation as well. Of course, to divert attention from this statement, he goes off about his activity in trying to repeal Sarbanes-Oxley and changes some SEC-mandated valuation requirements.
When he said Gingrich supports global warming? Newt sat on the couch with Nancy Pelosi, and while he might call that “the biggest mistake of his career”, Newt won’t call out climate change for what it is “junk science”.
When he said Gingrich was for the individual mandate? He was. How conveinent of Newt to change on that issue in the same year he declares to run for President. Anything that goes beyond the ideas Reagan illustrated in his 60’s speech against socialized medicne is nothing but more big government intrusion. I like how in the last debate Newt craftily put in the remark that they would “kill the bill” first because he didn’t trust to bureaucrats, but again, the 300-pages of whatever might seem to be good will give the Government the life it needs to implement Government-run health care later on down the road.
When he said Gingrich was an idea a minute with no organization? True. Lots of ideas were proposed but never enacted in the 90’s Congress. Unless the plan, such as the Contract with America, is fully, specifically, and written down prior to Newt assuming the WH, the chances are nil that anything will get done.
When he said Gingrich is for a form of amnesty? He is. All Newt is doing with his plan is to try and take the heat off the President in granting amnesty and giving that role to “Citizen Review Baords” and the local community of which a “family” has to sponsor the illegal immigrant. In other words, when we gripe about illegal immigration, Newt can put the blame on people instead of himself. How nice. It’s still amnesty though, whichever way you look at it.
I’ve watched Gingrich closely in these debates. He’s crafty. When attacked on something he know’s he’s wrong on, he diverts it to where he can point out all of his strengths that supposedly outweigh the weakness on the issue.
My favorite Newt quote is from Michelle Malkin.com
It doesnt matter what I do, he answered. People need to hear what I have to say. Theres no one else who can say what I can say. It doesnt matter what I live. (Newt’s answer to Marianne in regards to how he could give a speech on family values, yet carry on an affair with another woman)
Newt’s a fraud. Just because one speaks conservative doesn’t make themselves a conservative. Just like all the bandwagon fans that poured onto the Michael Steele RNC train and were left bitter after it turned out he was a RINO (which was pointed out by several FReepers before he took the position, but they were ridiculed). Or Scott Brown in MA, which if you watched his debated with Coakley realized he was nowhere near what a conservative is. In time, people (and FReepers) will come to regret their decision to get behind Newt. Argue all you want now. In a few years from now, I will have been proven right, like I was on Steele and Brown.
This problem solves itself. If Rick Santorum cannot come close to Romney, much less Newt in SC, he will have a very hard time raising money to fight on. A Newt victory today ensures he gets the bulk of conservative money moving forward. Santorum will not have strength without money.
The real story in the next week will be all-out war in the Republican Party of the Establishment vs. the Conservatives. This is the follow-up to the 2010 Tea Party election. The conservatives gave the Republicans power, and the establishment leadership is squandering it. Newt is very well positioned to lead the conservative side of this war.
I dont mean Rick stay in much longer..
but Newt is not alone..
Romney is still in..
and then there is Ron Paul...
Romney dropped out Feb 7, 2008
2 days after Super Tuesday..
Romney had won AK, CO, MA, ME, MI, MN, MT, NV, ND, UT, WY
In FL he came in 2nd, in TN he was 3rd (Huckabee won TN)
So he will probably hang on till after Super Tuesday this time too
BTW, who are you to be the arbiter of which of these candidates actually live by God's standards?
Be very careful before you answer that question.
Ya done good Tomkat, we pre-she-ate-it!
One of our most precious freedoms is the secret ballot. Never ever answer either an entrance or exit poller with anything other than “mind your own business!!!”
Be very careful before you answer that question.
You made some very large assumptions in response to my post, bean counter.
What I am commenting on is the non-stop battering of Santorum supporters who have problems with Newt's past.
I made no comment on Newt's present spiritual condition, only on the hostile reaction to those who have problems with his past moral failings.
Be very careful before you post again.
It also assumes that Bible Belt Christians will break for a serial adulterer, lier and deceiver. Why I must settle for that as president is beyond me.
so vote for Obama if you must..
among the married to one woman only in the GOP
Ron Paul has been the most faithful..
“Since when does wanting our President to live by God’s standards being ‘holier than thou?’
Isn’t that what we’re all supposed to desire in a leader? “
Because no one with a brain thinks that anyone can or has.
Demanding that someone lives to perfection to get a vote is to demand that someone lives equal to God.
We have a real danger at the head of the government whom does not care about any Christian’s opinion of him, so most of us are looking to dispatch of that first with the best man to do that. He is not perfection by church standards as we are all not, but he knows how to fight in the political arena as it is now.
So some of us will have to deiced what they want more. To feel or to think.
I have never typed one word against Santorum, but I hope he loses big time today. We need his supporters in Newt’s camp to defeat Romney.
As far as Paul is concerned, every time a Paulbot gets zotted on here, I lose a dollar to the Freepathon. Anyone want to join us 8 who are doing this?
Thanks for the input. I haven’t watched FNC in, well since 11/08 and thought Cavuto had his head head screwed on correctly. Poor boy
This election may well decide the future of America
Situations have changed DRAMATICALLY in a few months as far as Newt goes. They change daily, as we have seen. FR is just CURRENT. It's “on the cutting edge of societal evolution” to quote Rush.
Get rid of your dial telephone, 8 track player, and typewriter and join the present.
Now THAT would be lovely. :)
SMARMY Neal Cavuto cannot stop asking/whining ...is this gonna last? Will Newt continue this in other states ...whine, whine, kvetch ...
Looks like he’s reporting on a funeral today ...
PS Oh, yikes, CNN just showed Ron Paul picking his nose! Grrrrrross!!
The exit polls closed on Wednesday night.
Let GOD be the judge of a man’s character, all others are sinners. None of them are ordained be the example of who is better than others. Mr. Gingrich is every bit as qualified in that regard.
And here again, we ARE electing a President, not a leader of a church. That standard does not belong in the discussion and is not a standard by which to elect our leaders. It is merely a quality to be respected but not obsessed over.
HUH? We don't choose the first lady! Who cares about the First lady anyway? Just you I guess, no one else votes because of who the first lady will be.
I'll be kind and stop right here.
>>Just returned from voting. Wife and I were, 42 and 41, respectively, to vote at around 10AM. Voted for Santorum.
Voted at 11:05. 121 out of a possible 1742. Voted for Newt.
Most signs in this area were for Newt or Santorum with the exception of one small, handmade “Ron Paul, y’all” sign.
FReeper Tex-Con-Man quote about Newt and ex-wife Marianne:
"Wake me up when Newt drowns Marianne in an Oldsmobile"
Other than those glaring misperceptions of what I said, I understand those who prefer a fighter with a past to lead us now.
What I would love to see, and will never see because this is Free Republic, is respect for conservatives who see Santorum as the better candidate (and not say stupid things about Popes and perfection), and see the same kind of respect for those who see Newt as the better candidate.
I thought the same thing about Cain (whom I supported), and Perry.
Some on this forum have been hostile and nasty to others who are EQUALLY conservative, and I'd rather see it stop.
Desperation wrought of depression prior to implosion.
It amazes me that people think the American people would choose someone like Calista Gingrich as First Lady. Imho, this will turn off huge numbers of people - a woman who had an adulterous affair with a married man for over six years.
Well, I’m going to tell you — I’m not voting for Callista G. I’m voting for Newt. And personally, I hope his presidency ushers in a new era of First Ladies who graciously stand by, support their husband (or First Dudes who support their wife) and keep their TRAPS shut for a change. I’m tired of these silly causes, tired of the drama, the attention falling on the spouse.
However, Callista IMO is a strong conservative advocate, has written some delightful books on the greatness of America for children. Believe me, there are literally NO books for kids that explain American history, exceptionalism, or greatness. I would be SURE that THIS First Lady is proud of her country — and has always been!!
Acutally, the certification date is always two weeks after the caucus when the Form E’s are turned in. In reality any certification for any election usually takes a week.
The caucus is way too decentralized and volunteer for any one person to control it. Even if they tried they’d need blind luck to make it happen.
Has anyone specualated what effect, if any, the bad weather will have on the outcome. I think if anything it will hurt Romney and Paul since they have more of the fair weather liberals and or democrats voting for them.
The LORD Jeus Christ could not get a pass with some of them
He was a Jew
He wore a dress
He had a loud voice
He whipped and assaulted other men
He caused riots
he didnt have a real job
He paid his taxes from off shore accounts
He forgave adulterers
He consorted with prostitutes
he ate with liberals
He had secret meetings with other men on roof tops
He lived in the Middle East
He was homeless
He was never married
He had lots of men friends
He had lots of women friends
Rich women supported him
He never voted Republican
he never voted for a Conservative
he never went to church
he was not well liked by the good people
Oh, you mean, like, I ought to get on that there thing called the “internet”? I just may be to look into that, soon as I come out from my dip in the CEment pond. ;-)
That is a ridiculous statement. NO one thinks we are electing a church leader.
Start at least trying to make sense, OK? TRY to make your arguments cogent.
Wanting a leader to be a Christ-follower is a completely different thing than wanting a "Pope" to be our President.
Do you get that??
btw, just for the record, I hope that Newt creams Romney today.
I find that pathetic, hippocritical and disenguineness.
Newt has already done great things for this nation. He would like to do more. I think he can.
To compare an unrepentent grifter to the repentent Newt is pretty hypocritical.
Calista would be 1000 times better than the Wookie!
What if you thought Calista's husband could turn the country around and Mitt couldn't.
As a former supporter of Rick, his attacks on privatizing SS were over the top and not conservative. He gave the old, we can’t afford it now excuse which means never. He blew it this week horribly to the point of permanent damage.
Its a Newtiful day in SC”
Like this turned off voters?
Good one, Tenessee Nana.
What I’d like to see over time is see the presidency come down a few notches. Stop with the excessive travel, stop with the celebrity dinners, the rushing through town in limos, etc. All the BS.
I hope Newt would take it to that level, but I’m not sure he will. I know he would definitely bring it up above the notch of appearances at Disneyland.
Well I find you to be disingenuous, pathetic and arrogant, so there.
Why don't you ponder these words.
The penitent man is mindful of the Mercy and Forgiveness of God
Thanks for posting this thread. I was looking for one early this morning when we headed out to vote. Showers today and partly cloudy. Some heavy showers but enough breaks to easily head out to the polls. Most of the storms are across the upstate.
You vote for the President based on what their wife looks like?
I’ve always called universal suffrage a big mistake... and you’ve given me more proof as to why that’s so.
How's that? Mr. “Can't we all get along”
You are the one having emotional problems here today. You react and whine about little to nothing. And I certainly don’t need a lecture on proper righteous behavior from you.
And we can agree that we both hope that Newt CREAMS Romney today.
In light of that, do not reply to me any further, I will simply ignore you from here on out in spite of how you may try to insult me.
Cavuto now interviewing the Lady Rothchild and she’s dissing Newt right and left. Such a spokesperson for the people ...the Rothchilds ...
Makes me want to throw up.
I remember a looooong time ago when George Wallace was approached by a reporter as soon as he left the voting booth.
The reporter asked, “How did you vote Mr Wallace?”
Wallace saidd “By secret ballot.”
I think that is the best way to answer that question.
Can you imagine what a Newt win is going to do to Cwiss Mathews? He is going to be able to water a golf
course with his spit.