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SC Primary - - Live Thread
FR's eyes on the nation | today | me

Posted on 01/21/2012 6:43:43 AM PST by tomkat

It's 0930 EST and there's nothing in the sidebar that looks like a live thread for the SC primary . . .


TOPICS: Breaking News; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: gingrich; newt; noobama; paul; romney; santorum; scprimary; southcarolina
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To: greyfoxx39

Romney proves he is a chickensh+t over the Ham House fiasco. I am sure Rick would not have backed away from it with Gingrich. That Mitt, what a work of art. Now he is spinning more garbage for the assembled mass media. If he is somehow denied the first place, it will be a delight in and of itself just to see the looks on Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Karl Rove, Lindsay Graham, John McCain Jeb Bush, Nikki Haley, Bay Buchanan, Peggy Noonan, (and now John Bolton—big disappointment) all these peoples’ faces over Romney slipping away from his coronation by the elite and having to fight for every inch of it. My next guess? The elite RINO establishment tries to keep Paul and Santorum out of remaining debates for some reason. We will see. We will see. I also do wonder what poor Meghan McCain is going to do. Guess she will be a early starter of “Republicans for Obama” Group that will no doubt emerge and say the Republican party has been hijacked by Goldwater extremists, regardless of whether Rick or Gingrich gets the nomination. I cannot STAND these RINOs.


351 posted on 01/21/2012 10:07:00 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum vs. Romney: 1 state a piece. **SANTORUM** is leading Conservative in Delegate Total To-Date)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Got to top 446,000 votes. That is the 2008 Republican Primary vote!!! Keeping my fingers crossed. “All” South Carolina citizens/voters, get out there and vote and break every vote record a Republican POTUS Primary in South Carolina has ever seen. Vote for Newt, Rick, Ron & Mitt. Just vote in massive numbers. It will really hurt Obama, the failed and un-American, job killing, POTUS for all of America and all her citizens be they White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, minority, etc.!!! POTUS Obama needs to be dropped like a bad habit!!!


352 posted on 01/21/2012 10:08:39 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX (urt)
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To: BenKenobi

“How many more excuses are going to come up for why Santorum won Iowa?”

What the bloody hell are you talking about?


353 posted on 01/21/2012 10:08:46 AM PST by Grunthor (I don't vote for Democrats, this includes Mitt Romney.)
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To: altura

“You made a very odd reply to me yesterday on the subject of marriage.”

Um, you said that shacking up was the same as being married. No, it’s not. I said there is zero evidence for, (and your own source showed), that there is plenty of evidence against the fact that Karen was married prior to her marriage with Rick.

“I find it a convoluted moral strategy to say that because Rick Santorum’s wife ONLY LIVED with an old dude for 6 years but never married him, she is somehow more fit to marry than someone who had a previous marriage.”

Yes, that’s because living together isn’t the same as marriage.

“This seems like serious nit-picking to me”

Hardly, not unless you believe that shacking up is the same as being married. As I said, the Catholic church sees marriage as a sacrament, that, like Baptism, you can’t get remarried, just like you can’t get rebaptised.

This is different from how protestants see marriage. It’s important to understand this.


354 posted on 01/21/2012 10:08:51 AM PST by BenKenobi (Vindicated! Santorum wins IOWA!)
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To: BenKenobi

Marrying your mistress is not the same thing as repentence. Repentence would be returning to the wife that you wronged and saying you were wrong to cheat on her.

But then what do I know? I’m just a Catholic

That’s bullcrap. The church examines everything. Past marraiges as well as his relationship with Calista. If they determined that his relationship with Calista did not fall within the guidlines of Canon Law for the Sacrament of Marraige, they would never have allowed them to marry in the Church.


355 posted on 01/21/2012 10:10:27 AM PST by billys kid (Everything in Massachusetts is illegal)
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To: ohioWfan
My point is that having a clean record is good, but not enough. In November we will need a candidate willing to seriously attack Obama, and not be deterred by the torrent of HATE that will sweep over him from the Left. Newt has demonstrated that he has a thick skin, and the ability to hit back hard.

Meanwhile, let's remember that Santorum lost his seat because he endorsed RINO Arlen Specter in PA, because the Establishment told him to.

356 posted on 01/21/2012 10:10:27 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Museum Twenty

Nicely played.


357 posted on 01/21/2012 10:10:42 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: RetSignman

Yeah, that is pretty much what a lot of people in their teens looked like back n the 70s, no better, no worse. Looks like a Young Republican Debater type, if you ask me. Say, that was that hit piece article from the liberal Atlantic. Are you proud of perpetrating it here on Free Republic? Are you a fan of the Atlantic and its writing and its attacks on conservatives? Feel good about it?


358 posted on 01/21/2012 10:10:50 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum vs. Romney: 1 state a piece. **SANTORUM** is leading Conservative in Delegate Total To-Date)
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To: estrogen

The absentee ballots worry me.


359 posted on 01/21/2012 10:11:00 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: altura; BenKenobi

Vatican believes that Prudence is a virtue and imprudence (folly) is sinful ... concerns practical matters such as political primaries.

So whatever y’all are bantering about I suspect the Vatican will join in with altura’s arguments. I would, but I am busy with the blizzard of ‘12.

another thought: scandal of Magdelene. Some don’t like to be in a church with such folks. scandal of Judas scares ‘em worse. Discussed under humility section of the guide book.


360 posted on 01/21/2012 10:11:16 AM PST by campaignPete R-CT (and I will go to southern Maine to campaign.)
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To: BenKenobi

Well said! I wonder, where does “the no one’s perfect” crowd draw the line? Or are they devoid of morality and principle? They can be pesky things, can’t they?

Of one thing I’m sure, too many people, are wedded to the lowest common denominator. Very sad. They’re life’s expectations do not reach out for something better.

For the record I’m not perfect and I’m certainly not without sin. But I try to be a better person. And I never lose sight of right and wrong.


361 posted on 01/21/2012 10:11:25 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: Earthdweller

Google MaryAnn Gingrich’s FBI file. She got caught trying to sell influence...IMO it was only because of Newt’s position that the matter was dropped. (FBI file says she was “mentally unstable”

They were separated six years before the divorce. DId Newt stay married so she could receive the professional help she needed?


362 posted on 01/21/2012 10:12:23 AM PST by hoosiermama
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To: hoosiermama

Well perhaps you can tell us.

When did the relationship begin hoosiermama?

He was 19, he was an adult when he married Jackie. Young, sure, but still old enough to get legally married.


363 posted on 01/21/2012 10:12:33 AM PST by BenKenobi (Vindicated! Santorum wins IOWA!)
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To: Gator113

“THAT is just one more reason that I love women.”

Glad you got on the thread. Are you still snowed in?


364 posted on 01/21/2012 10:12:45 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: BenKenobi
Actually, Newt fought against Hillarycare and won.

And Santorum’s views on individualism are diametrically opposed to Reagan's.

Conservatism is all about personal responsibility, which Santorum would replace with government dependence. And that is no better than Obama’s vision.

The only difference is that one has G-d as the reason for it.

365 posted on 01/21/2012 10:14:11 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: greyfoxx39
Loved the pun!
366 posted on 01/21/2012 10:15:02 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Shelayne

Fighter? LOL. Was Newty the House Speaker who resigned with his tail between his legs because of the faux ethics complaint against him manufactured by the dems?

He was the fellow wasn’t he?


367 posted on 01/21/2012 10:15:13 AM PST by dools0007world
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To: campaignPete R-CT

I’m just saying - repentence means turning away from sin. Marrying your mistress is not the same thing as repentence - you are doubling down.

You wouldn’t give Mark Sanford a pass if only he married his mistress it would make it all right - no. You’d side, and rightfully so, with his lawful wife.

Nobody forced Newt to marry. Newt chose, of his own free will to get married. Newt may have regretted his choice of a wife, but the time to discern that is before, not after you get married.

The Catholic church has a radical understanding of marriage, unlike most. Marriage, all marriage is for life.


368 posted on 01/21/2012 10:15:52 AM PST by BenKenobi (Vindicated! Santorum wins IOWA!)
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To: Free Vulcan
Curious, the SC primary website gave the impression that they closed registration a month ahead, are they incorrect?

They are correct. You have to register thirty days before the primary. They will let you have a provisional ballot if you believe you should be registered but are not on the list.

We don't have same day registration, at least for the primary.

369 posted on 01/21/2012 10:15:55 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Yeah, I might actually have to lift the boycott and tune into Fox News for this one. Maybe there will be a mass suicide. Should be a train wreck.


370 posted on 01/21/2012 10:16:15 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: altura

Oh,I will vote for Newt if he is the nom.

NOONE could be worse than Ibama.

Although, Romney or Paul might be a close second.


371 posted on 01/21/2012 10:16:32 AM PST by Leep (Paul/Ventura 2016 /psych)
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To: LibsRJerks
"Cavuto now interviewing the Lady Rothchild and she’s dissing Newt right and left."

What did she say..I missed it? Was it about the marriages?

372 posted on 01/21/2012 10:16:54 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: BenKenobi
Repentance would be asking God for forgiveness. To which He said He would grant it. No need for popes or confessionals or Catholic doctrine. You are confusing “religion” for faith. It's nice for you that you believe in “religion”, but here is what Jesus said (not the pope, not a priest, not some denominational doctrine, but Jesus Himself:

Mark 11:
22 “Have faith in God,” Jesus answered. 23 “Truly[f] I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive them, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.” [26] [g]

373 posted on 01/21/2012 10:17:01 AM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: A.Hun
There's no way to be sure whether or not what we did was 'the right thing'....at the time anyway.

All we can do is pray for wisdom and guidance, and for God's will in everything, and then trust the rest to Him.

By the time I get to vote here in Ohio, Santorum may also be out and it will be quite easy for me. :)

374 posted on 01/21/2012 10:17:21 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: sand88

On that indeed we can agree.


375 posted on 01/21/2012 10:17:21 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum vs. Romney: 1 state a piece. **SANTORUM** is leading Conservative in Delegate Total To-Date)
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To: khnyny

“It amazes me that people think the American people would choose someone like Calista Gingrich as First Lady.”

meow!


376 posted on 01/21/2012 10:17:28 AM PST by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: BenKenobi

I’m Catholic and you are wrong. Not all marriages are for life. Do you know when Newt converted to Catholicism?


377 posted on 01/21/2012 10:19:46 AM PST by Jrabbit
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To: sand88

On that indeed we can agree.


378 posted on 01/21/2012 10:20:12 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Santorum vs. Romney: 1 state a piece. **SANTORUM** is leading Conservative in Delegate Total To-Date)
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To: j.argese
"On the other hand, Speaker Gingrich has done some controversial things. That doesn’t bother me. Thinkers do controversial things. Cowards shrink from controversy. For every RINO deed performed, 10 bold Conservative initiatives were introduced. America needs bold if we are to survive."

Bears repeating. bttt

The Tyranny of "Normality"

379 posted on 01/21/2012 10:20:23 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: ohioWfan

I share your concern on the global warming thing.

One thing I liked about Rick Perry was that he promised to shut down the EPA. This agency has hurt business over stuff that doesn’t matter more than any other.

I hate GREEN people. Well, Kermit may be okay, but ...

They’ve now taken around here to putting signs next to handicap parking spaces that are supposedly reserved for ‘Green’ cars ... that have some kind of fuel efficient rating.

I always park my big bus there while wishing I had a Hummer to park there. This is not enforceable and is an insult.

I’m too lazy to appear at the Irving City Council to protest, but I wish someone would.

This stupid green stuff has permeated our society and made money for people like algore. Grrr.

Anyway, we need to keep Newt’s feet to the fire on this.

And we need to work very hard to elect more real conservatives to the house and senate to keep whatever president we end up with in line.

I hope it’s Newt.


380 posted on 01/21/2012 10:20:49 AM PST by altura (Let the next to the best man win.)
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To: Marcella

Good morning. The snow is melting and the temp is a balmy 37*.

I trust it’s quieter around your hose today. ;>)


381 posted on 01/21/2012 10:21:05 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: ohioWfan
All we can do is pray for wisdom and guidance, and for God's will in everything, and then trust the rest to Him.

Yep! We'll know more after today. If Santorum doesn't do well, it could be over for him.

382 posted on 01/21/2012 10:22:44 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: kaila

“I think Newt will run a much more effective campaign than McCain. He will expose Obama.”


Plus, Gingrich wants to win. Whereas, McCain wanted Obama to win.


383 posted on 01/21/2012 10:22:53 AM PST by Leep (Paul/Ventura 2016 /psych)
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To: Gator113

your hose = your house


384 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:37 AM PST by Gator113 (~Just livin' life, my way~..... GO NEWT GO.....!)
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To: gogogodzilla

Then why was Newt pushing for the public mandate?

See, this is what I don’t get. How does it benefit him to collaborate with the Democrats in selling out our freedoms?

“Santorum’s views on individualism are diametrically opposed to Reagan’s”

All great change in America begins at the dinner table.

- Reagan

Freedom prospers when religion is vibrant and the rule of law under God is acknowledged.

- Reagan.

I favor the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and it must be enforced at gunpoint if necessary.

- Reagan.

If we ever forget that we are One Nation Under God, then we will be a nation gone under.

- Reagan

Let us not forget who we are. Drug abuse is a repudiation of everything America is.

- Reagan

There are no easy answers’ but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.

- Reagan

We might come closer to balancing the Budget if all of us lived closer to the Commandments and the Golden Rule.

- Reagan

Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.

- Reagan


385 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:48 AM PST by BenKenobi (Vindicated! Santorum wins IOWA!)
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To: greyfoxx39

LOL! bttt


386 posted on 01/21/2012 10:23:56 AM PST by Matchett-PI ("One party will generally represent the envied, the other the envious. Guess which ones." ~GagdadBob)
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To: BenKenobi
"He was 19, he was an adult when he married Jackie. Young, sure, but still old enough to get legally married."

Yes..and how old was his "teacher" that he married? I don't care how cute people think it is when older women marry boys and teens. I have sons..women can mess up a guys idea of love..sometimes for life if they are manipulative enough.

I think this mess of Newts marriages should all be forgiven on the grounds that some older predator mess up his idea of women from the starting gate.

We need to move on to other issues. It's time to drop it.

387 posted on 01/21/2012 10:24:19 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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To: freeangel

Cavuto is so annoying to listen to.
Always sounds like he has phlegm in his throat.
If he can’t clear his throat, he needs to shut up.


388 posted on 01/21/2012 10:24:51 AM PST by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
LOL! Careful, don’t get that one started again.

This was your response to faucetman's post to me (post 279) regarding seeking a leader who is also a Christ-follower.

You don't need to deny the insult, you made it, and it's no big deal.

In spite of your accusations thereof, I am not 'emotional' nor have I been 'whining.' I'm just observant and persistent, and you don't like it.

I have been stating my opinions regarding your posts on this thread.

And while I'm stating opinions, maybe you can tell me what deriding Santorum's sweater vest or looks accomplishes.....with either an intellectual or political perspective.

I agree that we are on the same page......or at least we should be. That's why there's no call for the nastiness I've seen from you.

389 posted on 01/21/2012 10:24:51 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Gator113

“I trust it’s quieter around your hose today. ;>)”

Yes, the “hose” is quiet and so is the house. I’ll be on this thread all day today and my TV is just across the room and I’ll switch from Fox to CNN to see what the enemies are doing. So far, everyone on Fox has a long face due to Newt being up in the polls.


390 posted on 01/21/2012 10:25:33 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: dools0007world

I have morality and principle.
However, we are not talking about priests or ministers.
We are talking about politicians.
Do you think they got into that position by being pure?
If you believe that, I have some land to sell you.
I am sure that every single one of the Republican politicians has dirt in their past.How do you think they got into their current position?
Since I am a realist, I have to overlook the dirt.Because politicians are not priests.
I might also want to add, I feel that Santorum is not electable.
He looks like a mean person. I dislike him. He looks petty and arrogant. He will not come across well in a debate with Obama.
Just by his attitude on the debate stage, I bet you he treats his staff poorly.
He may spout Christian beliefs, but he looks like a mean person.
I just get that vibe from him.


391 posted on 01/21/2012 10:25:49 AM PST by kaila
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To: BenKenobi

Well, I never used the distasteful term, shacking up, for one thing.

And, by the way, I think you are a little unbalanced.

You are implying that it is more moral to live with someone than to marry them.

That’s really odd. Really.


392 posted on 01/21/2012 10:26:03 AM PST by altura (Let the next to the best man win.)
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To: A.Hun
Yep! We'll know more after today. If Santorum doesn't do well, it could be over for him.

And one thing we can all do is pray for Rick, that he sees it, if that's the case.

393 posted on 01/21/2012 10:27:08 AM PST by ohioWfan (Proud Mom of a Bronze Star winner!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I love that pic of the Mooch. It’s one of the few that were taken when she was happy and having a good day.


394 posted on 01/21/2012 10:27:15 AM PST by JPG (Matters at which the foolish laugh and at whose consequences the prudent weep.)
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To: BenKenobi
Well perhaps you can tell us. When did the relationship begin hoosiermama? He was 19, he was an adult when he married Jackie. Young, sure, but still old enough to get legally married.

Who is paying you to 'judge' Newt? Good grief, ADULTERY is but one of the TEN Commandants, and it is NOT the unpardonable SIN. Did not Christ say you break one you break them ALL. Can you stand up to the same scrutiny as you are doing to NEWT? GET a real life.

395 posted on 01/21/2012 10:27:46 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ohioWfan

Give it a rest and take 2 aspirin, things will all be better in an hour or so.

You take things far too seriously. Really........


396 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:16 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Forty-Niner

Hah! Well, at least I think Calista will dress tastefully.

No more bare arms in the White House.

Woo hoo!


397 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:16 AM PST by altura (Let the next to the best man win.)
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To: Jrabbit

“I’m Catholic and you are wrong.”

I’m aware that Newt is a convert, so am I. The Catechism agrees with me.

1605 of the Catechism:

I. Marriage in God’s plan

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P51.HTM

Holy Scripture affirms that man and woman were created for one another: “It is not good that the man should be alone.”92 The woman, “flesh of his flesh,” i.e., his counterpart, his equal, his nearest in all things, is given to him by God as a “helpmate”; she thus represents God from whom comes our help.93 “Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh.”94

The Lord himself shows that this signifies an unbreakable union of their two lives by recalling what the plan of the Creator had been “in the beginning”: “So they are no longer two, but one flesh.”95


398 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:46 AM PST by BenKenobi (Vindicated! Santorum wins IOWA!)
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To: patriot08

“Cavuto is so annoying to listen to.
Always sounds like he has phlegm in his throat.
If he can’t clear his throat, he needs to shut up.”

Cavuto has MS and it has affected his voice so that isn’t his fault. Yes, he is a Romney guy and was nearly crying today due to Newt’s rise in the polls.


399 posted on 01/21/2012 10:29:47 AM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: Principled

Welcome!


400 posted on 01/21/2012 10:30:26 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (When GOP wants to guarantee a loss, they pick from MA: Dukakis, Kerry and now Romney.)
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