Skip to comments.Subculture of Americans prepares for civilization's collapse
Posted on 01/21/2012 9:20:17 AM PST by Jet Jaguar
When Patty Tegeler looks out the window of her home overlooking the Appalachian Mountains in southwestern Virginia, she sees trouble on the horizon.
"In an instant, anything can happen," she told Reuters. "And I firmly believe that you have to be prepared."
Tegeler is among a growing subculture of Americans who refer to themselves informally as "preppers." Some are driven by a fear of imminent societal collapse, others are worried about terrorism, and many have a vague concern that an escalating series of natural disasters is leading to some type of environmental cataclysm.
They are following in the footsteps of hippies in the 1960s who set up communes to separate themselves from what they saw as a materialistic society, and the survivalists in the 1990s who were hoping to escape the dictates of what they perceived as an increasingly secular and oppressive government.
Preppers, though are, worried about no government.
Tegeler, 57, has turned her home in rural Virginia into a "survival center," complete with a large generator, portable heaters, water tanks, and a two-year supply of freeze-dried food that her sister recently gave her as a birthday present. She says that in case of emergency, she could survive indefinitely in her home. And she thinks that emergency could come soon.
"I think this economy is about to fall apart," she said.
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If the old woman was fine where she was, why was she removed from her home?
“and rock went from psychedelia to Gram Parsons influenced country sounding from the Eagles to Byrds to Stephen Still to the Band and so on”
You’re talking my language. I just spent a few evenings on youtube finding all the Byrds and Flying Burrito Brothers music with Gram Parsons. It was Parsons influence that convinced McGuinn and Hillman into cutting Sweetheart of the Rodeo, which is supposed to be the first country rock album and spawned all the rest.
The Burritos played at my high school grad party, but sad to say I didn’t pay them much attention. There were so many great musicians around at that time that we took it for granted that there always would be that sort of talent. The Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Manassas, Eagles. And don’t forget Ronstadt.
Not to mention a bunch of Chileans and Haitians.
I wonder if, during The Great Depression, if there was anyone who wished they had a few more cans of food in the cupboard?
Nah! Couldn't be!
When civilization goes pear shaped selecting an airhead who has trained to be "The Trophy Wife" is not a good option.
You need the girl next door tomboy.
I know almost every verse to Streets of Baltimore...Parsons best bud was Keith R
and yes I listened to SHOTR back before it was cool to
Hickory Wind comes to mind...I am a Pilgrim too
though...I know it is as blasphemous as Dylan going electric but I confess my fav Byrds album is Untitled...I love that album...especially Lover of the Bayou
McGuinns’ Jolly Roger on Cardiff Rose is a great sea song...
I saw Roger with Rolling Thunder at Univ Southern Miss in 1975 or 76...not sure?
and one last tale...I am at Blockbuster Green Hills in Nashville a few years ago looking at the racks and see this dude about 10 years older than me...looks familiar...then it dawns on me...Chris Hillman...and yes..like many others...he did move here...not far from me then when I lived in town
had something similar happen with John Sebastian at the grocery
and Thursday nite ate dinner at a bar 4 stools down from JD Souther in Franklin...my 8 years younger wifey was like JD who?
lol...I love it here
Chris Hillman, that guy has a golden touch. Byrds in particular were a favorite of mine as a teen, but every band Hillman has been with has made good music.
Steve Winwood is another one with a place down your way so keep an eye peeled. He married some gal from Tennessee.
“Parsons best bud was Keith R”
You’ll enjoy this:
***If the old woman was fine where she was, why was she removed from her home?***
Government intrusion. They sent her to a shelter even though she was OK.
***They had huge gardens but few who would work them.****
I remember hippies going into grocery stores and opening packages and eating right there. Obviously work was out of the question.
If the $#!+ hits the fan, I'd rather be sailing.
****That was a Dave Berg cartoon.****
YOU REMEMBERED! YEAH! I’m not the only one with a long memory!
Well I didn’t see that..but I would suppose it happened...I see people doing that in the grocery stores today in the fresh fruit area etc.
OK, how’s this for memory - it was from “The Lighter Side of Smoking,” and drawn in 1971 or 72 :)
I collect the old MAD paperbacks. Dave Berg had a mix of observational humor, good heartedness and sheer talent that put him way ahead of any cartoonist since.
I could talk about his stuff all day!
Didn’t think of canning meat. Hmm. I raised cows and they eat a lot of grass. You need some pretty good acreage to support that. Couldn’t keep them right next to the house to keep an eye on ‘em like you can chickens and rabbits. In the winter you’d have to have a lot of hay. I love beef, but I think that it would be too labor intensive. As for milk, that’s for calves and babies. LOL!
We have lots of feral pigs here abouts. I’ve killed six the last six months or so. They taste quite good.
We had sheep, as well. Had a heck of a time keeping the lambs out of the mouths of coyotes. Not a bad option, though. They need less land and can eat a larger variety of plants.
Feral pigs are a blessing and a curse. Free meat (must be prepared carefully) that grows itself, but they are a curse if you are trying to expand your garden in a time of need or maintain an orchard. We fight the same battle with deer here. They populate my 20+ acres like squirrels and we also get the occassional elk or moose. Would pray that those came again if I really needed it.
Any preparation or plan is a good thing but a garden and the ability to can the goods from the garden is the most important thing in my opinion. I have found the thing that most preppers ignore is good soil. Too many seem to think they can just head to the hills with a packet of seeds and survive. Good soil is essential and cuts down on the need for irrigation. I always suggest to people who have land that they find someone close by that has an abundance of manure and pile that stuff up on the planned garden site to build up soil that is alive. If you plan to use traditional gardening methods it takes plenty of space and knowledge to make it work. There are other methods that can grow an amazing amount of food in a small space that are worth reading and printing out to keep in a binder.
Just an aside, and hopefully it will make somebody think and adjust their plans.
Good tip - read up on how to dry can almonds. These can supposedly last for 20-25 years and almonds are a great food source. It just takes almonds, some canning jars/lids, and an oven.
Another good tip for those who have property they might move to in hard times - seed it with lots and lots of berries, nut trees, fruit trees, and other crops that will grow wild.
You might have to fence the young plants off to allow them to get established but it’s not hard to make a circle around the plant with fencing. It is free food when you need it and it will bring in wild game.
One essential thing that everyone must have is the ability to filter drinking water. There are numerous water filter brands out there and I suggest getting one that is rated for more people than your family with ceramic filters.
I laugh at them and have no pity on them. They are useless and are the canary in my coal mine.
“I just don’t see these people surviving the collapse of civilization”
Ummm, I’m thinking I might take in the triplets... :)
The guys are different. Check the ears and the chins.
I call BS on that one
Yup. I stopped reading right there. However, FReeper comments are still valuable.
—The guys are different. Check the ears and the chins.—
You are correct.
You must be in Texas Bro! Pigs everywhere. We are getting close to being the same in NC. I love pork too|||||||