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BREAKING NEWS: Family says former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has died AP
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Posted on 01/22/2012 7:34:30 AM PST by Perdogg

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To: Neverforget01
You mean the kid Paterno never saw?

Yes! That's exactly the kid I'm talking about.

The kid you, Paterno, and McQueary seem to be completely unconcerned about. The kid that left Paterno's lockerroom with the man who raped him.

The kid that nobody knows whatever became of him. The kid that nobody from Penn State, including Paterno, made any effort to determine if he's alive and getting the help he needs.

That's the kid I'm referring to.

141 posted on 01/22/2012 12:32:35 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Ronald_Magnus

For Mr. Paterno prestige and attention meant everything; maybe he just couldn’t live without the goodwill of the people of PA.


142 posted on 01/22/2012 12:32:40 PM PST by Theodore R. (I'll still vote for the Right Rick --Santorum-- if he is on the April 3 ballot.)
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To: Neverforget01
You mean the kid Paterno never saw? Should he be a police investigator or was it Shultz’s job to make sure an investigation took place? There is a reason Paterno didn't get charged. He did not see anything and reported it to those he was supposed to... I don't know why this is so hard for folks to understand

Do you really not see why it is so "hard for folks to understand" why someone in Paterno's position and authority didn't follow up? Let me put my question in a slightly different way: What if it was Paterno's own son in that locker room - do you imagine for a nanosecond that he would have simply passed it on and washed his hands of the matter - because he didn't "see anything"?

Of course not. He would have seen to it that the matter was thoroughly investigated and that Sandusky was fired and duly charged.

143 posted on 01/22/2012 12:36:21 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: kabar
Once again, you sound like a very reasonable person; however, the one thing that is indeed black or white is the harming of innocents who cannot defend themselves (and harming them in a particularly heinous manner that can scar some for life). For me, the nuance of JoePa's relationship with Sandusky does not excuse him one whit.

And please remember: JoePa had a very long history of burying and forgiving his football players' bad behaviors over the years (not unlike most other D-1 football coaches)--everything from indiscretions and poor judgments to felonies. He treated this like one of his players was caught shoplifting or got into a bar fight. For me, that is unforgivable.

144 posted on 01/22/2012 12:36:48 PM PST by Pharmboy (She turned me into a Newt...)
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To: Perdogg
I invite you to search your heart and answer the question. What would you have expected Paterno to do if it was YOUR son?

The Scriptures say: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." That is the maxim that Paterno should have followed.

145 posted on 01/22/2012 12:39:50 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: tjd1454
Paterno couldn't fire Sandusky ; he hadn't worked for him in four years.

Paterno's position was head football coach, not head detective. He took the story his assistant coach told him to those who were responsible and were indicted after a three year investigation.

146 posted on 01/22/2012 12:50:42 PM PST by Neverforget01 (Beating Romney is so easy McCain did it.)
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To: teenyelliott

Thank you for being understanding about it. It’s just something I feel almost militant about. This can’t be tolerated in a civil society.


147 posted on 01/22/2012 12:56:23 PM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: momtothree

Absolutely...


148 posted on 01/22/2012 12:56:42 PM PST by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: shadeaud

I believe they did and he said no, he would step down at the end of the season - which was not good enough.


149 posted on 01/22/2012 1:04:17 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: teenyelliott

Since the scandal, several college coaches (active and retired) have expressed amazement that other members of the Penn State staff were unaware of Sandusky’s proclivities. Some have opined that it would be almost impossible for his perversion to remain a secret for so long, given the hours that a coaching staff spends together, and the long tenure of many of the assistants at Penn State.

It’s also rather curious that Sandusky suddenly retired at the height of his career, and still had full access to the Penn State football complex. His departure smacks of someone who had the university (and Joe Paterno) over a barrel and it probably marks the start of the cover-up that would go on for more than a decade. Everyone was afraid of tarnishing the reputation of Paterno and the Penn State football “brand,” so they let a child molester run amok for another ten years.

One final thought: it’s interesting to see how the sports establishment is now glossing over the scandal with Paterno’s passing. On ESPN radio this morning, ABC/ESPN sportscaster Brent Musberger said the good that JoePa did “far outweighed” his “temporary lapse in judgment with an assistant.” Those were his exact words. A lot of young men around State College, PA had their lives destroyed because of that lapse, and that is now a central part of the Paterno legacy.


150 posted on 01/22/2012 1:09:56 PM PST by ExNewsExSpook (uoted)
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To: Neverforget01
Paterno couldn't fire Sandusky ; he hadn't worked for him in four years. Paterno's position was head football coach, not head detective

My point was that Paterno would have morphed into "head detective" in a nanosecond had that been his own son in the locker room....

151 posted on 01/22/2012 1:17:39 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: twigs

If he was a parish priest who was told a fellow priest was raping young boys in the rectory or on church grounds, that priest is REQUIRED to call the police to report it, even a mere accusation. Reporting it to diocese officials isn’t good enough anymore.

So why the double standard for JoePa?

Mrs. Prince of Space


152 posted on 01/22/2012 1:20:19 PM PST by Prince of Space (Obama cares a lot about the poor. In fact, he wants to make more of them.)
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To: afnamvet
RIP Joe...you were the greatest.

The victims of deviant pedophiles would disagree.

153 posted on 01/22/2012 1:29:14 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Neverforget01

I went to SDSU in the 70s, and we too had our own “police department.” Of course, they weren’t armed (it was California), and when we had a brutal rape and murder in the dorm next door, they immediately called in the “real” police.

You can hardly equate campus police with an actual municipal police department.

Mrs. Prince of Space


154 posted on 01/22/2012 1:49:09 PM PST by Prince of Space (Obama cares a lot about the poor. In fact, he wants to make more of them.)
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To: WPaCon

Rest in Peace, Coach Paterno.

Most of us Alums won’t allow the MSM, BOT, Penn State Admin, Sandusky and those like him to dictate this agenda or use him as their scapegoat.


155 posted on 01/22/2012 1:49:09 PM PST by Twink
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To: Perdogg

RIP.


156 posted on 01/22/2012 1:51:03 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj
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To: Prince of Space
You can hardly equate campus police with an actual municipal police department

Penn State is different.

From their web site:

The Penn State University Police provides all law enforcement and security services to the University Park campus. We employ:

•46 full-time armed officers

•Six traffic and parking officers

•Five police dispatcher/recorders

•Approximately 200 students as auxiliary officers and escorts

The department provides 24-hour patrol services to the campus and University-owned properties year round. The University Police is governed by a state statute that gives our officers the same authority as municipal police officers.

Bolds mine. PSU police have jurisdiction over crimes on campus.

157 posted on 01/22/2012 2:15:23 PM PST by Neverforget01 (Beating Romney is so easy McCain did it.)
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To: Perdogg

Well, Joe, you probably passed the Particular Judgement with a C-.

Wait till the General Judgement, when we’ll all be watching.


158 posted on 01/22/2012 2:21:55 PM PST by Palladin (Will it be a Mitt/Newt ticket?)
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To: Neverforget01

You’re wasting your time. There are some people who refuse to see what the lib media, the lib BOT, the lib school Admin (which wasn’t always like this prior to Spanier being named President), are trying to do.

You and I and tens of thousands of other people know Paterno reported hearsay to the proper channels...legally required channels, but it doesn’t matter. The media shaped this story to their agenda, just like they did with the Duke fake rape case. I was shocked then that normally constitutional conservatives were out for blood and refused to see what the media was doing to those three wrongly accused men.

IMO it’s the same with Paterno and this case. The Media took down a coach who couldn’t stand the media, a coach who did to the best of his ability to provide an academic environment for his players, Success with Honor, donated his time and money for the benefit of the University and the students he loved, and was one of the most positive influences in higher education.

He was a Republican and a Conservative and the media hated that.

He’s done more for Penn State. and its many athletes and students, than any other human being and he’s being vilified for being an old man who didn’t “do enough” since we all know we all would have done so much more if we were told something second hand. rme.

I find it sorta funny that those who claim he was all powerful at Penn State and could have done more are the same people who can’t believe his arrogance of wanting to retire and his saying he’d retire at the end of the season and was summarily fired, as a scapegoat, by those truly in charge of Penn State.

Paterno had very little power once Spanier became President, the President who wanted to make Penn State the most gay friendly university and did everything he could to take Penn State away from the conservative university it once was. The Penn State Admin and BOT, along with powerful politicians in PA have been trying to get rid of Paterno for close to two decades because he didn’t fit in with their agenda.

It’s disheartening to me but not that all surprising anymore.


159 posted on 01/22/2012 2:23:56 PM PST by Twink
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To: Perdogg

JoePa you are now on God’s team. RIP...there’ll never be another coach like him or Bear Bryant or Eddie Robertson.


160 posted on 01/22/2012 2:28:46 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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