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BREAKING NEWS: Family says former Penn State coach Joe Paterno has died AP
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Posted on 01/22/2012 7:34:30 AM PST by Perdogg

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KEYWORDS: aidandabet; akidintheshowers; athletics; blindeyejoe; chickenhawk; coach; coachdosomething; enabler; homos; homosexuals; iknownothing; joepa; obituary; paterno; pedostate; peeyew; pennstate; psu; ripjoe; sandusky; sanduskyboinkingakid; sgtschultz; shorteyes
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To: ExCTCitizen
(God forbid if an associate of yours abuses one of those kids ...and you "do your duty" by reporting it to your superiors -- never the police -- in an atmosphere of eventual obvious cover-up...but...per you, you've "exhausted" your would-be responsibilities for that situation and would emulate Joe, eh?)
201 posted on 01/22/2012 8:35:27 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: eeevil conservative; Twink
as long as we chat about what Joe shouldda done, they get to keep the attention off of THEM— the ones who had the actual authority and the legal obligation to take action...eriously, if I called 911 over domestic abuse at the house next door, the police came, and all was normal the next day...

(At least in your scenario, you contacted the police...something Joe never did even when it became obvious that they were never contacted...but, hey, as the most powerful man on the Penn State campus, I realize Joe couldn't have possibly known about that lapse..../sarc)

202 posted on 01/22/2012 8:38:13 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: eeevil conservative; bolobaby
once this is info is passed on, and no one above takes action, I would assume that it either was investigated and concluded unfounded, or if I knew it were never investigated, I would assume that the politics of those in charge found Sandy above reproach and “politically” protected...

Except that Joe Paterno went on to hire the very eyewitness as the wide receivers coach & head of recruiting...and could have talked to him at any ensuing time (even a few years later) about what he observed...

It's not like Paterno was the weakest man on campus or anything. He had the ability to find out what happened -- and what didn't happen.

Your assumptions are sorry enough for the average campus football coach...and truly pathetic when you're talking about a campus semi-god like Paterno.

203 posted on 01/22/2012 8:42:32 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: swpa_mom; Figment
I am SO TIRED of Joe Paterno being made the scapegoat in this whole thing. Don’t you see?

What? (I didn't realize that Paterno did any time for these series of crimes...)

204 posted on 01/22/2012 8:44:25 PM PST by Colofornian (If 94% of LDS repeat voting for Romney, then such RINO-voting reveals a liberal Mormon bent)
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To: Neverforget01
Sorry, no. Because of your emphasis on following the rules. I should have been more clear.

How about Nuremberg, Milgram?

My point is that it is more important to do the right thing. You don't want to always count on the rulebook as a sufficient guideline.

205 posted on 01/22/2012 8:49:47 PM PST by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: twigs

“He DID report it and it was investigated by campus police. He shouldn’t have gone to the local police with only a hear-say story. He was a great man who was treated shamefully by Penn State.”
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mc queary physically went to paterno’s home to tell him what he saw and the right action would have been for both men to go in person to the police with or without an atty.
Then mc queary could have made a complete statement as to what he witnessed.


206 posted on 01/22/2012 11:13:01 PM PST by catroina54
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To: mom4kittys

He should have called 911 immediately upon hearing sexual abuse was occurring or even suspected at that time. There may even still have been evidence.


207 posted on 01/23/2012 1:53:25 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: mom4kittys; Leep

Because if someone that works for you said little boys are being raped as we speak, I would hope you would call 911 and not say “oh that’s just hearsay”. Let the Police figure that out.


208 posted on 01/23/2012 1:57:56 AM PST by MacMattico
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To: Colofornian

I would tell the sheriff department because that is the police force in the c/o community.


209 posted on 01/23/2012 6:13:04 AM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Perdogg

He couldn’t have timed it any better if he had a script-writer.


210 posted on 01/23/2012 6:38:32 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: eeevil conservative

Two flaws with your argument:

1) The chain of command when it comes to boys getting buggered by a pervert is not the university bigwigs - it’s the cops

2) Joe demonstrated no interest in knowing what happened? That’s *willful* ignorance. He never came out in an interview and said, “I kept following up with the Dean and the Dean finally told me, ‘It’s all been investigated Joe - there’s nothing to it.’”

I apply a pretty simple standard here - what would *I* do if someone told me some sicko was buggering kids in the shower. I wouldn’t rest until the sicko was behind bars. I certainly wouldn’t “fire and forget” a complaint off to my boss and be done with it. Especially after you see NOTHING HAPPEN to Sandusky after the complaint was filed. How could he sleep at night?

It has to make you wonder what kind of man he really was.


211 posted on 01/23/2012 6:45:20 AM PST by bolobaby
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To: Perdogg
My sympathies for his family and friends.

IMO, he stayed too long. It was reported that the football program was an insulated system not open to much critical opinion. He was an old man surrounded by hero worshipers and “yes” men. If that is true, then the problems that should have been evident to a man in his position were ignored or buried. Perhaps those around him did him a disservice, who knows.

The whole “Joe Pa” cult-like thing is very troubling, maybe, just maybe other football programs have learned from this. 80+ men who have fine careers should know when to leave, and administrations/departments should not have to take no for an answer from a football coach whose time came and went.

I know that emotions are strong concerning this, and I fully understand the love and respect that Paterno garnered. Respectfully, he was there too long and it turned out badly for him and for many people connected.

212 posted on 01/23/2012 6:55:05 AM PST by alarm rider (I took the pledge, I will never vote for another RINO, not now, not ever.)
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To: tjd1454

Actually that is such a good question that the JoePalogists either ignore it, or they become horrifically offended by the idea of being forced to think about the reality of the victims. We can only think about all the young men who can now block and tackle; never the victims.


213 posted on 01/23/2012 7:10:06 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: All; Perdogg; Tuxedo; SMGFan; Bushbacker1; napscoordinator; P.O.E.; afnamvet; PGalt; mom4kittys; ...

To all who blindly suck-up to Joe Paterno in this thread, have you forgotten Joe Paterno’s comment to a group of students outside his home?

“I wish I had done more”

Doesn’t that say it all? He had the power to do something about this disgusting perpetuation of crimes upon children but did nothing. How many more children were affected by his lack of action?

And speaking of the children involved, not one of you wished for peace in their lives which, of course, are still ongoing.

This is a devastating crime that will affect the children involved for the rest of their lives as well as their families.

May Joe Paterno remain in hell for at least as long as any one of these children and their families are affected by this tragedy.


214 posted on 01/23/2012 7:19:13 AM PST by JohnG45
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To: Twink
Has it ever been reported exactly what McQueary said when he went to Paterno? In other words did he say “ I saw Sandusky raping a boy” or “I am not sure what I saw, but he was alone in the shower with a young boy.”
Or was it somewhere in between the two extremes?

In my mind the specifics of what McQ told (or did not tell) Paterno are important when judging Paterno’s actions at the time.

215 posted on 01/23/2012 7:28:44 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
Actually that is such a good question that the JoePalogists either ignore it, or they become horrifically offended by the idea of being forced to think about the reality of the victims. We can only think about all the young men who can now block and tackle; never the victims.

Excellent point. I suspect what is at the heart of this damn-the-facts mindless defense of Paterno is a kind of "hero worship" whereby people idolize certain well-known sports celebrities and dismiss any accusations out-of-hand.

216 posted on 01/23/2012 2:00:01 PM PST by tjd1454
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To: Twink

I wasn’t involved and didn’t sweep it under the carpet to further my quest at all time wins like Joe the pedophile enabler. If not for Blind Joe, Sandusky would have been in prison years ago and numerous young boys would not have been raped. Too bad Joe didn’t go to prison too


217 posted on 01/23/2012 7:02:12 PM PST by Figment
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To: Leep

He sure didn’t do anything to stop it.That is complicity, he was as guilty as Sandusky and his judge won’t be a crooked PA lib


218 posted on 01/23/2012 7:05:39 PM PST by Figment
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To: Bryanw92

From what I understand the university had a full police force with full police authority.


219 posted on 01/23/2012 7:11:12 PM PST by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: Perdogg
Rest in Peace, Joe Paterno!

De mortuis nihil nisi bonum dicendum est.

Etiam non princeps sed usque ad genua, Principis Pacis!
220 posted on 01/24/2012 8:02:30 AM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: mom4kittys

>>From what I understand the university had a full police force with full police authority.

That was my point. When an eyewitness to a heinous crime comes to you to ask for advice, you call the police first and the university administration later. You don’t hand it off to a bureaucrat and expect them to “handle” it. Because that usually means sweeping it under the rug, which is exactly what they did.


221 posted on 01/24/2012 4:56:33 PM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: tjd1454

And you’d be wrong.


222 posted on 01/24/2012 7:21:45 PM PST by Twink
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To: Figment

Of course, it’s all Paterno’s fault. Sandusky, Spanier, the BOT, Second Mile, the PA political machine had nothing at all to do with it.

Too bad you weren’t there to make it all better.


223 posted on 01/24/2012 7:25:33 PM PST by Twink
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To: JohnG45

Yes. It says what he said, that he wished he’d done more. I say that sometimes, with 20/20 hindsight. Don’t we all?

The thread wasn’t about the victims. Start a thread about the victims and I will comment on it and pray for them as I do daily.

Or start a thread about Sandusky, you know, the man who actually committed the crimes against the child victims. But that’s too easy because Sandusky is not the focus of the media or of some posters. It’s easy to blame who the media is focusing on.

And don’t let me forget to thank you for your self righteous, sanctimonious post. RME. Where would we all be without you steering us in the right direction of wishing Paterno (the man who didn’t commit any crime) eternity in hell? And taking pleasure in that...yep, I’m gonna listen to you. GMAFB.

Ping me when you start a thread on Sandusky, the guy who committed these crimes and a thread on the BOT, school admin, PA political machine who covered it all up.

I won’t hold my breath.


224 posted on 01/24/2012 7:48:51 PM PST by Twink
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To: Twink

Of course, it’s all Paterno’s fault.

Don’t put words in my mouth. I said Paterno was “complicit” and as guilty as the rest. You apparently hold the man as a saint and idolize him.If I’d been Paterno, Sandusky would have not only been fired (which he wasn’t) he would have been in jail a long time ago(which he isn’t now)


225 posted on 01/25/2012 5:38:26 PM PST by Figment
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To: Figment

You asked me not to put words in your mouth and I sincerely apologize if I did. Please return the curtesy and don’t assign feelings or thoughts to me...I don’t idolize Paterno nor do I consider him a “saint.”

We disagree. I don’t hold Paterno as guilty as Sandusky. Sandusky committed the heinous acts/crimes. The focus isn’t on him or the network of secrecy that allowed him to continue to commit those crimes. Paterno is way down on my list as to those who should be held responsible or considered complicit for Sandusky’s crimes.


226 posted on 01/26/2012 3:40:08 PM PST by Twink
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