Posted on 01/22/2012 2:44:02 PM PST by naturalman1975
THE NSW Greens hope to reduce gun numbers in the state with new legislation it is putting before parliament.
"It is simply wrong that individuals can accumulate an unlimited number of deadly weapons with next to no scrutiny," says Greens MP and firearms spokesman David Shoebridge.
Under the legislation, registered holders would be limited to a maximum of three guns.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...
Somewhere along the line I got a wrong impression of Australia.
I always pictured in my mind, Aussies walking around with their sporterized SMLEs and anything else they wanted. I don’t guess I thought about it all that much but had somehow thought that gun ownership was not restricted in Australia.
All those Webleys and Martinis must just exist in my mind.
Sure, good idea. Should probably register saws, knives, and bladed implements such as scythes and axes while you’re at it—with a limitation of three (3) such “deadly edged weapons” per household. That is to include chef, steak, and pocketknives...
I must have missed the fact we did not have all our firearms taken, seems history, and the knocks on the door by the local boys in blue seeking my hand over receipt that went on randomly for two years...
So who was allowed to keep their firearms... cocky’s, I was one.... sports shooters... I was one..... Security (over 40k handling with safe lockup at other times at company premises) shrugs... the list mate... who was allowed to keep their firearms in the big sweep...
What do you have now... tell me, can you as a normal person living in suburbia, walk into a gun store and buy a firearm. If not, then what really do we have.
That answer will show what is real and what is not.
EL
Two is about my limit.
Seriously, if you wanted to compete in Cowboy Action shooting you'd have a problem right off the bat, because you need 2 single action revolvers, a shotgun, and a lever-action rifle. This brain-dead proposal would put all these nice, fun-loving, law-abiding people out of action.
And then there's the issue that you can't really go deer hunting with your quail shotgun, nor can you shoot duck with your deer rifle, nor does your squirrel rifle work for deer.
See the problem?
Besides, I like the attitude of one of the three federal judges in the Fifth Circuit who heard the Emerson 2nd Amendment oral argument - he observed in passing that, between him and one of his fellow judges on the panel, they owned more firearms than some small Latin American countries.
These incidents made gun control very popular politically.
The measures taken were reasonably serious, just not as bad as some people paint them. All gun owners must be licenced and all guns must be registered. And there's a graded system of licences ranging from the A/B which only allows non-semi-automatic/non-automatic long arms upwards. You have to have the right licence for your weapons, and the more 'powerful' the weapon, the harder it is to get a licence. A/Bs are easy enough - but going beyond that is complicated. It can be done - I've done it along with hundreds of thousands of others - but over half of all gun owners simply stick to an A/B.
These incidents made gun control very popular politically.
The measures taken were reasonably serious, just not as bad as some people paint them. All gun owners must be licenced and all guns must be registered. And there's a graded system of licences ranging from the A/B which only allows non-semi-automatic/non-automatic long arms upwards. You have to have the right licence for your weapons, and the more 'powerful' the weapon, the harder it is to get a licence. A/Bs are easy enough - but going beyond that is complicated. It can be done - I've done it along with hundreds of thousands of others - but over half of all gun owners simply stick to an A/B.
Incrementalism. It’s easier to get part way than all the way. Next step is two, then one, then ... poof!
What are the chances of the bill passing?
I live in suburban Melbourne and I have an A/B and a C-licence and a handgun licence. Getting these took a bit of work, but I went through the processes I needed to. With no criminal record and no other black marks against me, it wasn’t that hard.
Part of the problem, in my view, is that people were lead to believe it was a lot harder than it actually is and so they didn’t even try. The lists of ‘reasons to own’ for example, failed to mention that they were only lists of some reasons, not the only reasons. They also were a bit stricter about in the late 1990s up until 2005 or so - I used to hold my handguns on a special ADF permit for that reason, because it was harder than I was willing to go through to get a civil permit for a handgun, but they eventually relaxed that.
It also may differ somewhat from state to state even though the point was meant to be ‘unified’ gun laws.
Exactly - with those, you can get all the rest you want if it comes to that.
Three in each room?
I suppose I could move a few around...
What was that Forrest Gump said “Stupid is as stupid does.” Bad guys are going to use their guns illegally regardless of how many they have, good guys are not going to use their guns illegally regardless of how many they have.
In this country, we have the right to keep and bear arms only as long as five of nine politically appointed lawyers on the Supreme Court agree we have that right, and if Obama gets a second term, he may be able to appoint two more of HIS lawyers to the Supreme Court.
An Obama controlled Supreme Court may no be so generous as to allow Americans to even own three firearms.
In November 2012, keep this in mind as you vote.
Does that triple mini gun count as three, or only one?
Thankfully, no lives were lost.
American lake bottoms must be four feet deep with guns by now...
Limited application and firepower.
Got my gun license the same time I got my drivers license.
The same number btw... but you may not be old enough to have been around for that... linking one in the same.
Well, and I mean Well before the nut case that shot up port Arthur, we were all licensed, i think if I really try hard, I could find a copy on-line of an original one for well before that period.
So what are the restrictions on firearm owndership now, in suburbia....
Current Australian firearm laws
State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.
Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a “Genuine Reason” must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting.
Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a licence, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]
Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person’s registered firearm of the same category.
The documentation on firearms ownership, some 700,000 people, but I suspect that figure is inflated as the feds keep a tight reign on what comes out as figures so they can say there are plenty of guns out there....
Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:
Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A “Genuine Reason” must be provided for a Category A firearm.
Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. A “Genuine Need” must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.
Category C: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.
Category D: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.
Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. this class is available to target shooters and farmers. To be eligible for a Category H firearm a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.
Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain “approved” pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45”, currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is not “approved” for the larger calibres, for as 9mm/.38/.357 handguns meet the IPSC rules. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94”) long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72”) for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits.
Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.
I hate it when someone says we have these wonderful days now in which the aussie is as free as the USA (for the moment) to own a firearm for self defense, or whatever reason....
Locked in boxes, sign in for a “shoot” locked in boxes, and a “Genuine Need”
Seems that genuine need is to protect myself, it was before the theft of our firearms and “privileges”
Next your going to tell Me that in Oz we have a Constitution... oh, that would be the one that basically states the Federal Government has the right to tax us....
Now what did happen to the “open request” form the government for the publics thoughts on a new Constitution.. oh that is right, the rider was...”Nothing related to nor the same as that based on the USA Constitution/Bill of Rights shall be acceptable....
When you can show Me the rules listed above are null and void, I shall say , well done... but you and the end of the world will not change the federally owned and controlled country of Australia.
EL
They can have mine.............
I’ll jus’ cycle all my ammo thru them first—at the gun grabbers.
Anyone left standing I’ll beat to death with the other three.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.