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Ron Paul's Finished; Who Takes His Place?
Townhall.com ^ | January 23, 2012 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 01/23/2012 6:39:43 AM PST by Kaslin

In spite of a carefully timed announcement by Newt Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne on an "Open Marriage, Mistress Proposal", Gingrich rallied from a 16 point deficit on January 3 to a stunning 12 percentage point slaughter of Mitt Romney less than three weeks later.

South Carolina Primary Results

The Associated Press announces these South Carolina Primary Results.



This goes to show you that "It ain't over until it's over."

Dog Whistle Politics

The Financial Times reports Victory Horrifies Republican Establishment

Gingrich didn’t just win the primary. He crushed Mr Romney, by more than ten percentage points, and that after the former Massachusetts governor had a lead of similar dimensions over Mr Gingrich just a week before the poll.

At least among Republicans, Mr Gingrich is so battle-scarred that no matter what dirt is thrown at him – even the fact that his ex-wife said he wanted an “open marriage” – it no longer sticks.

Mr Gingrich is also twice the natural politician that Mr Romney is, and was able to tailor his message on the campaign trail in South Carolina to rouse that state’s voters.

Although he denied it, his continuous references to Barack Obama as a “food stamp president” was called out by some commentators as classic dog whistle politics in a state with a long history of racial tension.

Mr Gingrich will be thrilled with his victory. The Republican establishment, however, will be horrified, because its members think he is unelectable and tarnished in a general election.

If Mr Gingrich wins Florida, expect a huge campaign against him, not from the White House, but from within the Republican party itself.
Who is the New Torch Bearer of Freedom?

I will take flack for this but it's all over for Ron Paul. He finished a disappointing 4th. I do not like the news but I cannot ignore it.

This will not stop me one bit from pointing out the flaws of Gingrich, the flaws of Romney, and the flaws of the Republican and Democratic parties in general. Indeed I hope and expect Ron Paul to carry his message to the end in an attempt to change the Republican platform.

The Republican party needs a new torch bearer. New Jersey governor Chris Christie walked away from the opportunity. Christie was not the perfect candidate, rather he was an acceptable candidate.

Nonetheless, one thing is certain. Neither Gingrich nor Romney is the future of the Republican party. Both are failed politicians of the failed past.

A new torch bearer will not come from the existing Republican establishment. My eyes turn towards Rand Paul.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; libertarians; libertarianvote; paul2012

1 posted on 01/23/2012 6:39:46 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
What a pantload of idiocy from Shedlock. Chris Christie acceptable? RuPaul? RandPaul?

I guess if Shedlock wants to wallow in the depths of irrelvancy, that's his business. But he's a moron.

2 posted on 01/23/2012 6:42:45 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin
The Republican party needs a new torch bearer. New Jersey governor Chris Christie walked away from the opportunity. Christie was not the perfect candidate, rather he was an acceptable candidate.

Which proves this author was certainly no fan of Newt Gingrich.

His Christie infatuation does prove, though, that he's a certifiable RINO.

3 posted on 01/23/2012 6:42:51 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Kaslin

“I will take flack for this but it’s all over for Ron Paul. He finished a disappointing 4th. I do not like the news but I cannot ignore it.”

Well, if you love Iran and hate Israel, there’s still Obama.


4 posted on 01/23/2012 6:43:06 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: Kaslin
The Republican party needs a new torch bearer. New Jersey governor Chris Christie walked away from the opportunity. Christie was not the perfect candidate, rather he was an acceptable candidate.

Christie an advocate of freedom? He's a gun-grabber. Not strong against Islamisim.

Good choice for NJ, all things considered. Piss-poor choice as a national standard-bearer.

5 posted on 01/23/2012 6:44:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: xzins

“His Christie infatuation does prove, though, that he’s a certifiable RINO.”

Christie has no problem with sharia law so he should be OK, too.


6 posted on 01/23/2012 6:44:45 AM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: Kaslin

Mike should stick with economics and financial issues (imo).


7 posted on 01/23/2012 6:46:08 AM PST by MulberryDraw (Anyone see the democrat budget yet?)
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To: Kaslin

So, supposedly, scads and scads of “military” folks support Paul (it’s true - they’ve been saying it for four years and had irrefutable “proof”).

Now let me get this straight. All these folks donated billions of dollars (remember, MOST “military” supported Paul, right?) but DIDN’T SHOW UP TO VOTE????

WTH??? Were they all stoned that day??

Paul supporters, help me out here (if you’re sober).


8 posted on 01/23/2012 6:46:43 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Ron Paul: Favorite of military impersonators everywhere.)
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To: Kaslin

Is this article a joke? Satire?
Ron alterPaul the torch bearer of freedom, where in that alternate universe.
It just must be a joke or there are two guys named Ron Paul running.


9 posted on 01/23/2012 6:47:37 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Kaslin
I will take flack for this but it's all over for Ron Paul. He finished a disappointing 4th.

Was Shedlock serious in thinking RuPaul was a viable candidate? And it's not over for RuPaul, he wasn't in it to win it, he's in it to bamboozle more money for his campaign coffers that he can use later in life. All the while sandbagging serious candidates.

The more I read, the more I think Shedlock is smoking some of that stuff that RuPaul wants legalized.

10 posted on 01/23/2012 6:47:37 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Kaslin

Why can’t Paul get any traction? /s


11 posted on 01/23/2012 6:51:10 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Kaslin

Ron Pauls’ relevancy has always been overrated. He will stumble on through the rest of the primaries and bargain for a speech at the convention. He’s never won anything other than the house seat he presently occupies. His biggest trait is the same as Dennis Kacinich in that he just keeps comming back. Fortunately he is retiring this year.


12 posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:09 AM PST by ontap
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To: Kaslin

I actually agree quite a bit with Mish on this one. I see Rand vs Ron as sort of Windows Vista vs Windows 7. One has the right idea, but still sucks, and the other is a HUGE improvement, with the problems nicely lanced.


13 posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:09 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Larry Lucido

That “military” support is just a myth.
If you go to the FEC web site, you can do a search and find it simply is not true.
When the MSM reports the myth, their links all go back to alterPaul supporter sites or alterPaul’s own sites where the myth is just replayed.
The question you’d have to ask yourself is why would the military support alterPaul when he wants to gut the military to nothing and has disparaged our troops when ever he can.
Logically this mythical support is just that an other delusion of alterPaul’s and his supporters.


14 posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:30 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Kaslin
A new torch bearer will not come from the existing Republican establishment. My eyes turn towards Rand Paul.

That's fine if. Just be honest for a change and don't run in the Republican party primaries.

15 posted on 01/23/2012 6:52:48 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Kaslin

It’ll have to be Dennis Kucinich, another fella nuttier than squirrel crap.


16 posted on 01/23/2012 6:53:14 AM PST by gitmogrunt (Lessons in diasaster: Clinton, Carter, Obama, LBJ and RINO's!)
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To: ari-freedom

You better be careful, Ari.

The establishment might decide they can’t control you.

:>)


17 posted on 01/23/2012 6:55:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Gunslingr3
Gunslingr3, you posted and defended this graphic last Christmas.

So....why didn't Paul do better? No military folks in SC, I guess? Yeah, that's it. Or they were all away that day.


18 posted on 01/23/2012 6:57:04 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Ron Paul: Favorite of military impersonators everywhere.)
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To: Kaslin

Dennis Kucinich? Cindy Sheehan? David Duke? Medea Benjamin? Van Jones? Buehler? Buehler?


19 posted on 01/23/2012 6:59:23 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: xzins

I’m no huge fan of Gingrich but I’ll be voting for him, and then praying we get the 1994 model, and not one of the 1997 to 2009 lemons.


20 posted on 01/23/2012 7:01:14 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Ron Paul: Favorite of military impersonators everywhere.)
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To: svcw

See my tagline. :-)


21 posted on 01/23/2012 7:03:30 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Ron Paul: Favorite of military impersonators everywhere.)
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To: dirtboy

Half of Ron Paul supporters if not more, are libs crossing over to fart with our primary in the first place.


22 posted on 01/23/2012 7:04:26 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay

It’s telling that RuPaul is skipping Florida, with a closed primary. His numbers were going to sink anyway, so now he’ll claim they sunk because he didn’t campaign actively there.


23 posted on 01/23/2012 7:06:34 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Larry Lucido; P-Marlowe

Why did Paul not do better in military-rich S CArolina, and why are the military donating heavily to Ron Paul?

Those are actually 2 very different questions.

First question: (a) most of the active duty in S Carolina would be residents of other states, so they would vote absentee for their candidates of choice in their home states. So, even if they were pro-Paul, we wouldn’t know it from the active duty stationed in S Carolina. (b) The South Carolina military would be predominantly retirees and older. They would be more pragmatic about their selection in a primary with electability being a huge issue.

Second question: (a) I believe many of the troops realize that they are only treading water currently in Afghanistan (and previously in Iraq). The US has announced it’s leaving, and they see absolutely no reason for any of their comrades to die or be injured for a mission that we are deserting. I agree with them. (b) The above politicization of missions has them cynical about any mission in the future, and Ron Paul speaks to that. (c) we don’t have a age breakout on that donor list, but I suspect it’s younger, and Paul does better with the younger voters.


24 posted on 01/23/2012 7:11:28 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Kaslin
Another appeasing moron heard from . . .

'investment advisor' huh ?
Kid looks like the neighborhood paperboy.
But with less sense, by the sound of it.

25 posted on 01/23/2012 7:13:06 AM PST by tomkat (para bellum)
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To: Kaslin
It is interesting to me that as of this morning the MSM seems to be trying their best to ignore what happened in South Carolina. On Sunday morning, the local news stations around Northern VA & DC dutifully announced the results of the primary; and later in the day the Sunday political talk shows discussed them a bit. But, the nightly news casts barely mentioned it, and this morning I saw no mention of the SC primary or of Newt Gingrich on any of the morning news broadcasts from the "major networks".

I'm guessing it would been an entirely different story if Romney had beaten Gingrich as decisively as Gingrich beat Romney. Had that occurred we would have been treated to at least five full days of a near-constant barrage of blathering talking-head reporters discussing "the end of the Gingrich campaign" and predicting when he would drop out of the race and endorse Romney.

This morning, though, they appear to have their fingers stuck in their ears while they chant 'LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa' at the top of their lungs in an effort to avoid facing what happened to the 'moderate' republican that they had so graciously hand-picked for us to be brought forth and slaughtered by Obama this November. Thiings didn't go quite as they scripted them, and it looks like it'll take a few days for them to formulate and propagate a new meme to 'explain' things.

26 posted on 01/23/2012 7:14:11 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% MORE sarcasm for no additional charge...)
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To: Kaslin
In spite of a carefully timed announcement by Newt Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne . . .

First of all, the announcement was not carefully timed. It was ill-timed and ABC had to run with it because Drudge outed them.

Second of all, Newt didn't get the bump "In spite of" the announcement, He got the bump "because of" the announcement and its timing. He was limping along with a narrow four point lead even after his masterful debate performance last Monday. He cruised to a 14 point win after his brilliant smackdown of CNN on Thursday.

The more conservative voters have figured out that the MSM is the real enemy and ObaMao is merely their latest creation. Discrediting ObaMao will win us, at most, one election cycle. Discrediting the enemedia could be a long-term game changer.

Unless the other candidates start taking the enemedia to task with something close to the same brilliance approaching what Newt did-- and soon-- Newt will be the nominee. If he repeats in Florida something close to what he did in South Carolina, he will be unstoppable . . . at least for the nomination.

The general election, of course, is another matter. Your center right, moderate and other further left voters make up about two-thirds of the electorate. They still trust the enemedia to some extent. If ObaMao, his enemedia handlers and his billion dollar war chest succeed in making Newt's personality, his marital infidelities and his past the main issue, then he will go down to nearly a Goldwater sized loss. I say nearly only because ObaMao's actual record in office is so abysmal and he cannot bask in the glory of an assassinated president as did LBJ.

However, if Newt can make the campaign about ObaMao, his failings, the enemedia propaganda machine and their failings and discredit them in the minds of enough voters, then he will limp across the finish line. He needs to begin those preparations immediately as if he is already the nominee.

27 posted on 01/23/2012 7:21:39 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: dirtboy

>> What a pantload of idiocy from Shedlock... he’s a moron.

He’s a libertarian. Same-same I guess.


28 posted on 01/23/2012 7:26:34 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Kaslin; mickie
I've posted many times on this forum that the Townhall political blog has some of the best conservative thinkers and writers on the internet....and they do.

But for it to lower its high standards and allow this low-rent crappioli to make it through its own editorial scrutiny and zot capacity is unconscionable.

A pimply-faced junior on a high school student newspaper staff could do better writing as far as logic and political reality goes.

Shame on you, Townhall!

Leni

29 posted on 01/23/2012 7:38:29 AM PST by MinuteGal
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To: xzins; Larry Lucido; P-Marlowe

X it is easy to explain the military massive support is a myth, that is perpetuated by alterPaul and his supporters.
It’s that simple.


30 posted on 01/23/2012 7:41:50 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Larry Lucido; Gunslingr3

Hey, G. Go to the FEC web site and do a search by candidate and employment and tell us what you find.
The military support mantra is just that blather.
The only people who repeat this myth are alterPaul and his supporters, all MSM links go back to those references.
Ask youself G, why would the military support alterPaul when he disparages them and vows to gut the military to nothing? Why would you support a guy that wants to fire you, and remove all benefits promised when you joined the service?
Pretty sure they are not that stupid.


31 posted on 01/23/2012 7:46:59 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: svcw

Paul has mentioned his military donations during the debates, and the other candidates did not disagree at the time or in later news releases.

So, I suspect that Paul is getting a lot of small donations from some libertarian-knockoff, young troops.


32 posted on 01/23/2012 7:48:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: svcw

Senator Rand Paul of KY is the son of Ron Paul and I think Mike Shedlock is talking of future presidential elections.


33 posted on 01/23/2012 7:48:33 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Larry Lucido

On Friday morning Fox and Friends had 3 veterans from SC on and Brian Kilmeade asked who they are supporting for president. The first one said Mitt Romney, the second one, Newt Gingrich, and the third one said Rick Santorum. None of them said Ron Paul. When asked why thy don’t support him they all said because of his foreign policy view


34 posted on 01/23/2012 7:59:04 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: svcw

See my post# 34


35 posted on 01/23/2012 8:01:52 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: xzins

I understand your point. However, it does not negate my question. Why would the/any military person support a guy who disparages them and has vowed to fire them plus cut all benefits they were promised. The logic just is not there.
As a side note, it is easy for alterPaul to make these mythical statements and not be challenged: the other candidates don’t argue with lunacy, so why should the other candidates waste their time.
The question is still begged why would anyone with reason and intellect support alterPaul who is a racist, anti-Semite, blame America first for everything, earmark king, calls himself a Constitutionalists yet knows so little of the Constitution and the Founding that is now becoming laughable.
alterPauls grasp of reality is gone.


36 posted on 01/23/2012 8:06:16 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: Kaslin

Yep.


37 posted on 01/23/2012 8:07:33 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: tomkat

You obviously have never read his financial columns. He should have stuck to the finance, but then he has a right to his opinion just as you have the right to yours, okay?


38 posted on 01/23/2012 8:11:50 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: svcw
And here is the video

Who are vets voting for and why?

39 posted on 01/23/2012 8:25:25 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Kaslin

Ron Paul isn’t finished until he says he is finished. To try an push him out of the race at this point I suspect represents despair over the possibility that the convention will be brokered.

In other words, the writer just wants a simple horse race between Romney and Gingrich, with one winner and one loser.

While some want that, many more are now calling for no one to go in to the convention as a winner, but with many having to persuade 2,286 delegates, a clear majority of whom are conservatives, to give them the 50%+1 votes they need to become the nominee.

Talk about a tough crowd! Tough and conservative.

Media friendly, non-controversial doublespeak b.s. will be chewed up and spat out in that like a wood chipper. Those who vie for the nomination are going to have to promise solid conservatism values and actions when elected.

It truly will be candidate “Hell week”. But the end result will not be a devil’s bargain, but someone who will give conservatives what they want.


40 posted on 01/23/2012 8:58:22 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Kaslin

Thanks


41 posted on 01/23/2012 9:08:00 AM PST by svcw (For the new year: you better toughen up, if you are going to continue to be stupid.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

May I remind you that some in here were trying to push Rick Santorum out ofter the SC primary where he came in third place. He won the Iowa Caucus. What primary has Paul won? No it’s time for him to drop out


42 posted on 01/23/2012 9:36:36 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: svcw

You’re welcome


43 posted on 01/23/2012 9:41:39 AM PST by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: HamiltonJay

Half of Ron Paul supporters if not more, are libs crossing over to fart with our primary in the first place.

If U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned. -Ron Paul or Ward Churchhill?


44 posted on 01/23/2012 10:43:22 AM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Voting for Paul in Florida even though it’s a wasted vote in some respects.

I’d like to see the GOP get back to being the party of Liberty, we seem to pro-corporate as opposed to pro-market, but nevertheless I’ll vote for whoever we trot out in November. I just won’t do any work for him or donate anything someone else can do that.

I would like to see Paul stay in this thing long enough to muck things up and grease the skids for Rand who appears to go down more smoothly with less of a bitter aftertaste.

My ideal candidate:
- kill crony capitalism
- legalize weed (No I don’t smoke)
- allow businesses to die (nothing to big to fail)

At the end although I think going more libertarian is better for the country my pocketbook and fat salary would benefit by voting for the lesser socialists. The lesser socialists might at least cut my taxes.


45 posted on 01/23/2012 10:58:01 AM PST by techworker
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To: dirtboy
"And it's not over for RuPaul, he wasn't in it to win it, he's in it to bamboozle more money for his campaign coffers that he can use later in life."

Spot on!

46 posted on 01/23/2012 11:41:18 AM PST by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: ari-freedom

Actually, though I consider Ron Paul dangerous on the whole, there is one primary that I now hope, really hope, that he wins: Virginia.

The way the establishment Republicans forced that to be a two-way race in that state between Romney and Paul demands a change. If I were a resident of VA, I would campaign very hard for RonP hoping that he actually wins it for the sake of sending a message to the national GOP.


47 posted on 01/23/2012 4:32:57 PM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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