Skip to comments.Ron Paul's Finished; Who Takes His Place?
Posted on 01/23/2012 6:39:43 AM PST by Kaslin
In spite of a carefully timed announcement by Newt Gingrich's ex-wife Marianne on an "Open Marriage, Mistress Proposal", Gingrich rallied from a 16 point deficit on January 3 to a stunning 12 percentage point slaughter of Mitt Romney less than three weeks later.
South Carolina Primary Results
The Associated Press announces these South Carolina Primary Results.
This goes to show you that "It ain't over until it's over."
Dog Whistle Politics
The Financial Times reports Victory Horrifies Republican Establishment
Who is the New Torch Bearer of Freedom?Gingrich didnt just win the primary. He crushed Mr Romney, by more than ten percentage points, and that after the former Massachusetts governor had a lead of similar dimensions over Mr Gingrich just a week before the poll.
At least among Republicans, Mr Gingrich is so battle-scarred that no matter what dirt is thrown at him even the fact that his ex-wife said he wanted an open marriage it no longer sticks.
Mr Gingrich is also twice the natural politician that Mr Romney is, and was able to tailor his message on the campaign trail in South Carolina to rouse that states voters.
Although he denied it, his continuous references to Barack Obama as a food stamp president was called out by some commentators as classic dog whistle politics in a state with a long history of racial tension.
Mr Gingrich will be thrilled with his victory. The Republican establishment, however, will be horrified, because its members think he is unelectable and tarnished in a general election.
If Mr Gingrich wins Florida, expect a huge campaign against him, not from the White House, but from within the Republican party itself.
I guess if Shedlock wants to wallow in the depths of irrelvancy, that's his business. But he's a moron.
Which proves this author was certainly no fan of Newt Gingrich.
His Christie infatuation does prove, though, that he's a certifiable RINO.
“I will take flack for this but it’s all over for Ron Paul. He finished a disappointing 4th. I do not like the news but I cannot ignore it.”
Well, if you love Iran and hate Israel, there’s still Obama.
Christie an advocate of freedom? He's a gun-grabber. Not strong against Islamisim.
Good choice for NJ, all things considered. Piss-poor choice as a national standard-bearer.
“His Christie infatuation does prove, though, that he’s a certifiable RINO.”
Christie has no problem with sharia law so he should be OK, too.
Mike should stick with economics and financial issues (imo).
So, supposedly, scads and scads of “military” folks support Paul (it’s true - they’ve been saying it for four years and had irrefutable “proof”).
Now let me get this straight. All these folks donated billions of dollars (remember, MOST “military” supported Paul, right?) but DIDN’T SHOW UP TO VOTE????
WTH??? Were they all stoned that day??
Paul supporters, help me out here (if you’re sober).
Is this article a joke? Satire?
Ron alterPaul the torch bearer of freedom, where in that alternate universe.
It just must be a joke or there are two guys named Ron Paul running.
Was Shedlock serious in thinking RuPaul was a viable candidate? And it's not over for RuPaul, he wasn't in it to win it, he's in it to bamboozle more money for his campaign coffers that he can use later in life. All the while sandbagging serious candidates.
The more I read, the more I think Shedlock is smoking some of that stuff that RuPaul wants legalized.
Why can’t Paul get any traction? /s
Ron Pauls’ relevancy has always been overrated. He will stumble on through the rest of the primaries and bargain for a speech at the convention. He’s never won anything other than the house seat he presently occupies. His biggest trait is the same as Dennis Kacinich in that he just keeps comming back. Fortunately he is retiring this year.
I actually agree quite a bit with Mish on this one. I see Rand vs Ron as sort of Windows Vista vs Windows 7. One has the right idea, but still sucks, and the other is a HUGE improvement, with the problems nicely lanced.
That “military” support is just a myth.
If you go to the FEC web site, you can do a search and find it simply is not true.
When the MSM reports the myth, their links all go back to alterPaul supporter sites or alterPaul’s own sites where the myth is just replayed.
The question you’d have to ask yourself is why would the military support alterPaul when he wants to gut the military to nothing and has disparaged our troops when ever he can.
Logically this mythical support is just that an other delusion of alterPaul’s and his supporters.
That's fine if. Just be honest for a change and don't run in the Republican party primaries.
It’ll have to be Dennis Kucinich, another fella nuttier than squirrel crap.
You better be careful, Ari.
The establishment might decide they can’t control you.
So....why didn't Paul do better? No military folks in SC, I guess? Yeah, that's it. Or they were all away that day.
Dennis Kucinich? Cindy Sheehan? David Duke? Medea Benjamin? Van Jones? Buehler? Buehler?
I’m no huge fan of Gingrich but I’ll be voting for him, and then praying we get the 1994 model, and not one of the 1997 to 2009 lemons.
See my tagline. :-)
Half of Ron Paul supporters if not more, are libs crossing over to fart with our primary in the first place.
It’s telling that RuPaul is skipping Florida, with a closed primary. His numbers were going to sink anyway, so now he’ll claim they sunk because he didn’t campaign actively there.
Why did Paul not do better in military-rich S CArolina, and why are the military donating heavily to Ron Paul?
Those are actually 2 very different questions.
First question: (a) most of the active duty in S Carolina would be residents of other states, so they would vote absentee for their candidates of choice in their home states. So, even if they were pro-Paul, we wouldn’t know it from the active duty stationed in S Carolina. (b) The South Carolina military would be predominantly retirees and older. They would be more pragmatic about their selection in a primary with electability being a huge issue.
Second question: (a) I believe many of the troops realize that they are only treading water currently in Afghanistan (and previously in Iraq). The US has announced it’s leaving, and they see absolutely no reason for any of their comrades to die or be injured for a mission that we are deserting. I agree with them. (b) The above politicization of missions has them cynical about any mission in the future, and Ron Paul speaks to that. (c) we don’t have a age breakout on that donor list, but I suspect it’s younger, and Paul does better with the younger voters.
'investment advisor' huh ?
Kid looks like the neighborhood paperboy.
But with less sense, by the sound of it.
I'm guessing it would been an entirely different story if Romney had beaten Gingrich as decisively as Gingrich beat Romney. Had that occurred we would have been treated to at least five full days of a near-constant barrage of blathering talking-head reporters discussing "the end of the Gingrich campaign" and predicting when he would drop out of the race and endorse Romney.
This morning, though, they appear to have their fingers stuck in their ears while they chant 'LaLaLaLaLaLaLaLa' at the top of their lungs in an effort to avoid facing what happened to the 'moderate' republican that they had so graciously hand-picked for us to be brought forth and slaughtered by Obama this November. Thiings didn't go quite as they scripted them, and it looks like it'll take a few days for them to formulate and propagate a new meme to 'explain' things.
First of all, the announcement was not carefully timed. It was ill-timed and ABC had to run with it because Drudge outed them.
Second of all, Newt didn't get the bump "In spite of" the announcement, He got the bump "because of" the announcement and its timing. He was limping along with a narrow four point lead even after his masterful debate performance last Monday. He cruised to a 14 point win after his brilliant smackdown of CNN on Thursday.
The more conservative voters have figured out that the MSM is the real enemy and ObaMao is merely their latest creation. Discrediting ObaMao will win us, at most, one election cycle. Discrediting the enemedia could be a long-term game changer.
Unless the other candidates start taking the enemedia to task with something close to the same brilliance approaching what Newt did-- and soon-- Newt will be the nominee. If he repeats in Florida something close to what he did in South Carolina, he will be unstoppable . . . at least for the nomination.
The general election, of course, is another matter. Your center right, moderate and other further left voters make up about two-thirds of the electorate. They still trust the enemedia to some extent. If ObaMao, his enemedia handlers and his billion dollar war chest succeed in making Newt's personality, his marital infidelities and his past the main issue, then he will go down to nearly a Goldwater sized loss. I say nearly only because ObaMao's actual record in office is so abysmal and he cannot bask in the glory of an assassinated president as did LBJ.
However, if Newt can make the campaign about ObaMao, his failings, the enemedia propaganda machine and their failings and discredit them in the minds of enough voters, then he will limp across the finish line. He needs to begin those preparations immediately as if he is already the nominee.
>> What a pantload of idiocy from Shedlock... he’s a moron.
He’s a libertarian. Same-same I guess.
But for it to lower its high standards and allow this low-rent crappioli to make it through its own editorial scrutiny and zot capacity is unconscionable.
A pimply-faced junior on a high school student newspaper staff could do better writing as far as logic and political reality goes.
Shame on you, Townhall!
X it is easy to explain the military massive support is a myth, that is perpetuated by alterPaul and his supporters.
It’s that simple.
Hey, G. Go to the FEC web site and do a search by candidate and employment and tell us what you find.
The military support mantra is just that blather.
The only people who repeat this myth are alterPaul and his supporters, all MSM links go back to those references.
Ask youself G, why would the military support alterPaul when he disparages them and vows to gut the military to nothing? Why would you support a guy that wants to fire you, and remove all benefits promised when you joined the service?
Pretty sure they are not that stupid.
Paul has mentioned his military donations during the debates, and the other candidates did not disagree at the time or in later news releases.
So, I suspect that Paul is getting a lot of small donations from some libertarian-knockoff, young troops.
Senator Rand Paul of KY is the son of Ron Paul and I think Mike Shedlock is talking of future presidential elections.
On Friday morning Fox and Friends had 3 veterans from SC on and Brian Kilmeade asked who they are supporting for president. The first one said Mitt Romney, the second one, Newt Gingrich, and the third one said Rick Santorum. None of them said Ron Paul. When asked why thy don’t support him they all said because of his foreign policy view
See my post# 34
I understand your point. However, it does not negate my question. Why would the/any military person support a guy who disparages them and has vowed to fire them plus cut all benefits they were promised. The logic just is not there.
As a side note, it is easy for alterPaul to make these mythical statements and not be challenged: the other candidates don’t argue with lunacy, so why should the other candidates waste their time.
The question is still begged why would anyone with reason and intellect support alterPaul who is a racist, anti-Semite, blame America first for everything, earmark king, calls himself a Constitutionalists yet knows so little of the Constitution and the Founding that is now becoming laughable.
alterPauls grasp of reality is gone.
You obviously have never read his financial columns. He should have stuck to the finance, but then he has a right to his opinion just as you have the right to yours, okay?
Ron Paul isn’t finished until he says he is finished. To try an push him out of the race at this point I suspect represents despair over the possibility that the convention will be brokered.
In other words, the writer just wants a simple horse race between Romney and Gingrich, with one winner and one loser.
While some want that, many more are now calling for no one to go in to the convention as a winner, but with many having to persuade 2,286 delegates, a clear majority of whom are conservatives, to give them the 50%+1 votes they need to become the nominee.
Talk about a tough crowd! Tough and conservative.
Media friendly, non-controversial doublespeak b.s. will be chewed up and spat out in that like a wood chipper. Those who vie for the nomination are going to have to promise solid conservatism values and actions when elected.
It truly will be candidate “Hell week”. But the end result will not be a devil’s bargain, but someone who will give conservatives what they want.
May I remind you that some in here were trying to push Rick Santorum out ofter the SC primary where he came in third place. He won the Iowa Caucus. What primary has Paul won? No it’s time for him to drop out
Half of Ron Paul supporters if not more, are libs crossing over to fart with our primary in the first place.
If U.S. foreign policy results in massive death and destruction abroad, we cannot feign innocence when some of that destruction is returned. -Ron Paul or Ward Churchhill?
Voting for Paul in Florida even though it’s a wasted vote in some respects.
I’d like to see the GOP get back to being the party of Liberty, we seem to pro-corporate as opposed to pro-market, but nevertheless I’ll vote for whoever we trot out in November. I just won’t do any work for him or donate anything someone else can do that.
I would like to see Paul stay in this thing long enough to muck things up and grease the skids for Rand who appears to go down more smoothly with less of a bitter aftertaste.
My ideal candidate:
- kill crony capitalism
- legalize weed (No I don’t smoke)
- allow businesses to die (nothing to big to fail)
At the end although I think going more libertarian is better for the country my pocketbook and fat salary would benefit by voting for the lesser socialists. The lesser socialists might at least cut my taxes.
Actually, though I consider Ron Paul dangerous on the whole, there is one primary that I now hope, really hope, that he wins: Virginia.
The way the establishment Republicans forced that to be a two-way race in that state between Romney and Paul demands a change. If I were a resident of VA, I would campaign very hard for RonP hoping that he actually wins it for the sake of sending a message to the national GOP.
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