Skip to comments.Newt and Mitt: Two Sides of the Same Coin
Posted on 01/23/2012 11:20:48 AM PST by Kaslin
Many folks who oppose Mitt Romney do so due to the uncertainty of where he will stand on certain issues; his support of the individual mandate that forces people to buy health care insurance; and a general tendency to abandon conservative principles when expedient.
When you look past Newt Gingrich's marvelous oratory skills and unrivaled ability to "articulate" what most Americans believe, you start discovering a politician with many of the same issues that plague Romney.
Romney and Gingrich both give great lip service about the sanctity of marriage and family values. But while Romney's past reveals he doesn't always stand up and defend marriage when the going gets rough, well, Gingrich's past reveals - in a very different way - that he doesn't either. Both politicians claim they have "seen the light" and are now staunch supporters of traditional marriage. And, I for one, still doubt that both of them really do. And I seriously question whether either man has the conviction to unflinchingly stand for the rights and protection of the preborn when there are deals to be made - which there always are in Washington.
When it comes to a plethora of conservative issues, both politicians are found wanting. Romney, has a "moderate" take on nearly everything; Newt, while seemingly a staunch economic conservative, is a supporter of big government in critical areas - as a champion of the ethanol mandates; of the Endangered Species Act; and of the huge government prescription drug debacle. All of which, by the way, have huge negative economic impacts on our economy, jobs and our future.
The big difference between the two sides of the Mitt/Newt counterfeit conservative coin is this: while a Romney presidency will be dangerous to the preservation of conservative principles, a Gingrich presidency has the ability to entirely obliterate much of what we hold dear. Why? Because Romney has never been a Capitol Hill insider and thus doesn't know the ropes, and he can't seem to inspire passion or wield much influence. Gingrich, on the other hand, knows precisely how the system works and has the personality of a pit bull on steroids. And he has worked the system brilliantly - both for good and bad- for many years, as Congressman, as Speaker of the House, as a Washington power broker. He is a bully who thrives on power, fueled by an ego and an appetite that can't be matched. And he has repeatedly demonstrated that he behaves exactly how he wants to behave in every situation. When Newt wants it - Newt gets it. Period.
And that makes Newt much more dangerous to many of our conservative principles than Mitt could ever hope to be.
The ability that Newt has to make us forget or discount his many ethical violations in the past - both personal and as Speaker - makes my blood run cold. Do I believe in forgiveness? Of course I do. But forgiving Newt of his many martial infidelities is between God and Newt, and the people Newt betrayed and Newt. While God erases all sins of those who truly confess, the harm done largely remains. In the case of the adulterer, the families remain fractured; in the case of the arsonist, the building is still in ashes; in the case of the murderer, the victim is still dead.
And, on this earth, there are still consequences, even for the forgiven. In Newt's wake, there is human carnage - people he has used and discarded at will, and a legacy of repeatedly violating the public trust of the American people. His constant display of poor judgment over the years shows that he is fatally marred by, well, by poor judgment - and an ego so huge he always seems to believe he can "get away with it". The combination of poor judgment, repeated ethical violations and an unbridled ego is a recipe for disaster. And the very last thing you want to give a person with that record is the most powerful position in the world. Espcially if that person enjoys being a bully and has the oratory ability to intimidate and manipulate; and the uncanny ability to tell the masses exactly what they want to hear - and convince them to actually believe it.
Neither Romney nor Gingrich is an acceptable choice for conservatives who believe in timeless values. It's time to discard the fool's gold and put our efforts behind the real deal.
I have written a column on why Rick Santorum is both the best man to beat Obama, and why he is a good man - a man we can depend on to champion conservative principles with strength, conviction, wisdom and humility. A man who know how to get things done - ethically. I hope you will read it and prayerfully consider supporting Santorum - our best hope - for president.
“I have written a column on why Rick Santorum is both the best man to beat Obama, and why he is a good man - a man we can depend on to champion conservative principles with strength, conviction, wisdom and humility.”
Dude, just stop.
Take your 38 vote “win” in Iowa and just GO!
2012: Gingrich Defends Attacks On Romney
2010: Gingrich Defends Romney
>>Gingrich defends Romney
In a forthcoming interview with CBN, Newt Gingrich says that Mitt Romney has been unfairly maligned for the Massachusetts health care reform bill.
“Governor Romneys made very clear that he favors absolute repeal of Obamacare,” said Gingrich. “I also think in all fairness to Governor Romney that he vetoed many provisions that the liberal Democrats in the Massachusetts state legislature added to the bill and they overrode his veto.”
Newt Gingrich says not just that he saw the light, but that he moved into the lighthouse, and the lighthouse seems to have agreed.
Whatever theological differences some may have with the Roman Catholic church, at least on paper it can’t be accused of alley cat morality.
No way I’m going to support a candidate who is for SOPA/PIPA-like restrictions on the internet. Santorum would shut down FreeRepublic!
Santorum has been uncomfortably waffly about that subject. He’s a little too green a zealot to expect wisdom from.
There is some truth to the point the article is making, but there is not parity between the two candidates. Most politicians will, at times, say one thing and do another. Newt has.
But for Romney it is a lifestyle. Even when his deeds and words match it is more do to coincidence and political expediency than personal conviction. At least that is the general pereption - and that is what counts.
“Santorum has been uncomfortably waffly about that subject. Hes a little too green a zealot to expect wisdom from.”
He’s just another lawyer who needs his secretary to type out an email for him.
Between Romney and Gingrich, I’ll take the guy with a proven track record of conservative accomplishments. Hint: it ain’t Romney.
Plus, Newt has the Contract With America on his resume. He can put the full weight of the elephant on the donkey and make it move. This capability may be superfluous if Congress goes completely GOP in November, but if Congress backtracks it could be very helpful.
AMEN, Rebecca!! Thank you. Bob
This Primary election is the mother of all “vote-for-the-least-worst” elections.
Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul and Mitt Romney are all inconsistent conservatives, and terrible, terrible candidates.
Barack Obama is a sitting duck, and this is our field? A couple of relics from the 90’s, a man whose flip-flop resume dwarfs that of John Kerry, and an old doddering dwarf whose base is kook fringe truthers and medical marijuana advocates.
Is this the best you can do, Santorumbot? That he’s allegedly “no worse” than Newt?
Sorry Kaslin, we part company here. I like many things about Rick Santorum but quite frankly the guy has all the charisma of a mashed potato sandwich. His damning Newt with faint praise in the South Carolina debate last week was a bonehead move. Even Romney had a better answer than Santorum when he told John Queen “Let’s move on to the real issues John” (proving even a broken clock can be right twice a day).
Rick Perry stepped up and did the right thing for conservative Americans, for Republicans and for people like you and me, he withdrew from the race and directed his own campaigners to rally behind Newt and all but one of them did, and that certainly contributed to Newt’s win over Romney, and Perry is committed to helping Newt become the GOP nominee.
Rick Santorum needs to show some class and do likewise.
Even Romney had a better answer than Santorum when he told John Queen Lets move on to the real issues John (proving even a broken clock can be right twice a day).
Romney sure isn’t doing that now!
2011-2012 has been a bruising winnowing process, and some initially very promising candidates or would-be’s have fallen by the side. I was most disappointed to see Sarah Palin not grab this brass ring; she would probably have walked away with the nomination. But some say at unacceptable cost to her family. And she never punched at Obama quite like Gingrich has, repeatedly.
Gingrich is shining now, whether we like it or not. Again this is the Contract With America guy, and the handwriting on the wall is looking forward to Contract With America II. We could do far worse. FAR worse.
Yeah, but this happens to be an anti-Gingrich thread.
Dude, if I thought there was more than a negligible difference between Mitt and Newt, perhaps I wouldn’t be passionate about Santorum. A fight between two big government progressives does not stir the soul. If Rick survives through Pa, he has my vote, and he deserves it. I KNOW what a fine man Rick is. I watched him for 12 years, I worked for him in 1994, and I was proud of having him as my Senator. Bob
You are right.
“Rick Santorum needs to show some class and do likewise.”
But he won’t because Santorum has been in it to be Mitt’s running mate all along.
So Romney is better than Newt because Romney would get less stuff done? Now there is a winning argument.
Also Santorum is, if anything, less conservative than Newt on economic issues. Do we really want someone who voted against NAFTA, against right to work and for steel tariffs? Someone who endorsed Specter over Toomey?
I stopped reading right there.
That statement typifies so much of the misreading of the politics of the present. IMHO, Mitt, like most Mormons I know, would do a pretty fair job of steering the ship of state. His style would be neither too far left or right.
On the other hand, many folks who oppose Mitt Romney, myself included, KNOW for a fact that if he ever gets the nomination, the KOLOB FACTOR would immediately be invoked by the lamestreams. They're laying in the weeds and salivating at the chance.
The question on MTV would no longer be "boxers or briefs?"; there would be a third option.
But, while underwear is what most people think is a harmless, yet amusing, idiosyncracy of Mormonism, the lamestreams would soon get around to a question to the effect of "Mr. Romney, one of your prophets said 'As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man can become'. Mr. Romney, are you striving to become a god?"
Now, while he would say that's not a proper question, it would then be the ONLY question until Mormon doctrines, the ones most Americans have NO IDEA about, would be opened up to hostile and embarassing scrutiny. There are dozens of such doctrines that, despite all the Mormon success, good citizenship, good neighbor, upstanding family images we have come to know and appreciate, would be very off-putting. And there will be no time to undo the bad impressions. And, as we know, with the lamestreams, they don't even have to include truth, as long as what they are doing favors the cause of their boy.
The touchy part of this dilemma is that Republicans MUST NOT broach these subjects; it is just too cruel and unseemly. Still, we must be knowledgeable enough to know that this is coming.
Newt is the answer. And a pretty darn good one. And I love the way he is carrying the cause along at this time.
Mitt is for a VAT tax - taxing manufacturing at every level including a final Federal sales tax - ON TOP OF THE CURRENT INCOME TAX.
Newt is against this.
HOW EXACTLY IS THAT THE SAME?!?
Found the following at Redstate.com
What A Big Government Conservative Looks Like
Posted by Erick Erickson (Diary)
Friday, January 6th at 12:13PM EST
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.
Defense and Foreign Policy
Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.
Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.
Voted for the START II Treaty
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban antipersonnel landmines
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same payraises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyranical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the Presidents authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program
Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture)
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge
Voted against National Right to Work Act
Voted against Real of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.
Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of assault weapons by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.
Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional payraise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapists, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter backup plan to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require State and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.
Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border partrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.
Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.
Voted against food stamp reform
Voted against Medicaid reform
Voted against TANF reform
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.
Sponsored An amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museums Olympic Sculpture Project (WA)
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL)
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a states highway allocation
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%
Voted against transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.
Spending and Entitlements
Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies an new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against a allow consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.
Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.
Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.
Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.
Like it or not, Gingrich is the only one with a shot at beating the 0 mania media machine. Admittedly it not a good shot given the $1 billion in free advertising 0 can count on receiving from the scum at ABC/CBS/NBC/CNN/Washington Post/NY Times et al but at least it is a shot.
And just WHERE is the “Rick Santorum Government Reduction Act”?...crickets...
I tell YOU WHAT things he DID support:
2. Arlen Specter
Vote for Pedro!
I feel the same. Newt is arrogant slick and no better than Romney.He will start on amnesty as soon as he gets the executive branch.Will deceive big time and get it done. Santorum is the best on this issue.
Glad DeMint is helping purge Senate we will need it. Presidency is a lost cause.
On paper, LDS has a pretty stiff set of family friendly morals. In practice, much less so, and Mitt as a bishop had a lot of say in that. Note that he carried on “gay marriages” and enabled state paid abortions. This is deeply worrisome.
Mitt would be correct of course to say that he’s not campaigning here for eternity. He’s campaigning for president. Is magic underwear sitting in the Oval Office worse than a Kenyan-in-all-but-technicality doing so? Probably not. But the guy wearing them is a nonstellar choice. Newt, even Santorum would be almost infinitely better.
Santorum will appoint gun grabbers to the USSC. The 2nd amendment is not there to ensure a bounteous harvest of game, but Santorum has shown no clue about it.
This is Santorum of course.
Rips you off, but with discretion :-)
He has some questions with his voting.
He is not a pure conservative.
No disrespect, some of your guys for Rick, are wanting a family guy and cannot look over Newt's marriages. This is about saving the country first; family values will benefit in a better economy with the best person who has that shot (Newt-a fighter to the left)
You are a little to “vested” in Rick.
Time for Rick to get behind Newt and look for a job in his administration.
I’m over Newt’s many transgressions.
We are asked over and over to look at the totality of a man.
Well, I have and when I looked back Newt’s record of accomplishments on issues that were important, things that mattered then one comes to the conclussion that Newt, the loud mouth, actually got things done we cared about.
Newt’s idea and forced Clinton to sign it into law over his strident objections because both houses and the American people had had enough of welfare queens and we demanded legislation forcing people to adopt a lifestyle of self determination and oh yeah, they became producers and participants in the Paycheck Class.
Newt’s idea, once again, and the upside to this was Americans taking home more of their money and turning mom’s at home into stock holders in Americas Prosperity.
That darn Newt! Always thinking up crazy things such as being responsible and having a government deal honestly with its financial and fiduciary responsibilities to the American Taxpayer.
Out of those three things alone.
unemployment dropped from 7% to 4%.
Revenues to the treasury rose ... dramatically, as the GDP bouyed by an tax that made it possible to plow more money into investments and expect a reasonable return that made it worthwhile.
Are there more benefits that came from Newtonian ideas, hell yeah, but when you look at his record of achievement and contrast it with the needs of the country today...Jobs! Full Employment!
What the hell else do I want. What do you want?
Newt has once again outlined a plan to get American working again and return us to that Shinning City on Hill.
Are we going to stand on our moral haunches and “Just Say No”.
The 21st Century Contract with America a bold plan, hell it’s audacious. With majorities in the Senate and Congress we stand a 100% chance of fulfilling that Contract with America.
It is after all not Newt’s Contract with America.
It’s your Contract with America.
It describes what are the most important and pressing issues that you talk about and yearn to overcome or achieve.
You can Read it here. Tell me you agree with this ideas. If you are conservative or even Republican how can you not agree with the ideas?:
For some real fun here is his day one plan:
Assuming you read only the bullet points on each page there can’t be any other conclusion than Newt represents our ideals in realm of dealing with big challenges.
If you agree with his proposal I ask you to support Newt Gingrich for President.
Since when is Rebecca a dude’s name?
Yes, it is Santorum.
Newt Gingrich has admitted to making political errors, and to having learned from those errors - NOT to do it again.
Rick Santorum will not admit to any error in judgement concerning these “big government” issues he supported when in Congress. In fact, he still embraces them.
Sorry, but I refuse to read anything from politica
Sorry, but I refuse to read anything from politico
What is your point?
If you have read any of her columns it’s of no surprise that she would support Rick Santorium
Sorry for the private FReepmail... I am not posting publicly for awhile. Santorum would also weaken the Second Amendment and he lied in the last debate about gun locks, guns shows and the NRA.
He does NOT support SOPA and you know it. He supported Specter so good guys like Alito could get confirmed. I don’t believe that Toomey would have won in ‘04, but I voted for him in the primary, and wrote him in in the general. I didn’t agree with Rick at the time, but Specter did keep his word on the SCOTUS nomination, and Santorum suffered in Pa. You may hold that against him forever, but Gingrich campaigned for Dede Scuzzbucket in NY. She is also a radical leftist who became a Democrat.
Do you remember also that Gingrich supports statehood for Puerto Rico?
What does SOPA/PIPA have anything to do with being pro life? Which Rick Santorum certainly is
No, I don't let self promoting amateurs like Santorum tell me what to think of them, their record and actions have already illustrated who they are. And Santorum is not even close to what he is trying to convince people he is.
For your information the reason Santorum endorsed Specter over Toomey was because in 2005 and 2006 Specter, as Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, shepherded the confirmations of Judge John Roberts and Samuel Alito to the Supreme Court. Otherwise he probably would have endorsed Pat Toomey
This pretty much says it all. I know Jack Kemp’s former campaign manager in Georgia (yeah I’m that old) and he knew Newt all the way back to his college professor days and told me that Newt will say ANYTHING to get elected, and he told me that long after his Jack Kemp days, so it wasn’t a politically motivated comment. Newt is playing FR people like a Stradavarius and I can imagine they day when his supporters will rue the day they pulled for this guy. The GOP field is just awful. We are in deep trouble.
While I am not a Roman Catholic myself, I would like to ask, do I err in my understanding that when Newt joined your church not too long ago, they vetted him for sincerity?
The article is spot on.
It is unfortunate that Rick Santorum is the best candidate still in the campaign.
I really thought Michelle Bachmann was the best of the field. I thought Herman Cain could easily win the election but he couldn’t stand the heat.
I don’t like Rick Santorum well enough to send money to and there is no way I sending money to Rino Romney or Noot Gingrich.
I enjoy hearing Gingrich putting down the press. I enjoy and get a laugh at his quick thinking. I don’t get a laugh at his inability to play by the rules. He is a serial adulterer, a Glogal Warmist, a cap and trade supporter, he wants to legalize illegal immigrants, ulgh!
I am afraid that Obama will have fun with Newt, not in the debates but perhaps those too. There are so many recordings of Newt saying almost anything you want to hear that he won’t even come close. I’m afraid the die is case, we will get 4 more years of Obama.
Santorum is too green and brittle.
Newt has Obama’s “So what about my history?” attitude trumped in spades. If Obama even tries that with Newt, Obama will be shown for the negative infinity that HE came from.
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