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Live Thread - NBC News/Tampa Bay Times GOP debate tonight on NBC
.2012presidentialelectionnews.com ^ | 1/23/12 | nate

Posted on 01/23/2012 2:38:27 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009

All four remaining GOP candidates have been confirmed for tonight's debate sponsored by NBC News, the Tampa Bay Times, The National Journal and the Florida Council of 100. The debate will take place at the University of South Florida in Tampa. This will be the first of 2 debates this week focusing on the Florida GOP primary on Tuesday, January 31st. Note the air times on the east and west coast.

Television Air Time: Monday, January 23rd at 9pm ET, 8pm CT and 9pm PT on NBC

Live Streams: (airing 9pm ET) NBCPolitics.com, National Journal, and TampaBay.com

Participants: Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Paul

(Excerpt) Read more at 2012presidentialelectionnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 2012debates; anotherdebate; bitterromney; debate; fl2012; flaprimarydebate; gopdebate; liarromney; liveflaprimarydebate; livegopdebate; mittcommie; nastyromney; newt; pettyromney; romney; romneyinhiding; romneyversion5; rupaulisfinished; secretiveromney; snarlyromney; tampa
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To: indpndtguy

“0 is shaking again tonite and on his knees praying: oh lordie
lordie.. send newt away for a long vacation pls pls!”

Close...but he’s praying to Allah.


1,581 posted on 01/23/2012 9:02:48 PM PST by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: LibsRJerks

Newt didn’t have any influence to peddle. As Romney himself pointed out, Newt was overthrown by a “coup” of republicans. Time now shows us they were moderates, who never saw a spending bill they didn’t like, but who in their right mind would think that big-spending republicans would be backstabbing their speaker who had just blocked their spending ways and balanced the budget.


1,582 posted on 01/23/2012 9:02:48 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: glock rocks

Yes, because it will be one hell of a fight to overcome the GOP establishment. I have said for many years that we first must kill the elephant and grow us a new, conservative one before we can truly slay the donkey.

I think Newt has got his safari suit on, his elephant gun loaded, and he is out hunting old, diseased elephants who are ruining the terrain. He is making way for new, healthy elephants. The donkeys soon will be cowering in the corner as they will soon be trampled.


1,583 posted on 01/23/2012 9:03:23 PM PST by untwist
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To: Fledermaus

“Bingo”

Thanks. The really big case here where he showed his contempt towards the party, and the voters in general, was the Trans-Texas Corridor. It was an INSANE idea from the start, and near the end 90% of the state was against it, including, of course, most Republicans.

...but it wasn’t until Kay Bailey Hutchison started using it against him in her futile run for governor that he finally disowned it. In other words, only when he saw his own political future threatened did he stop (or, really, semi-stop, he’s still doing it, though more quietly). For conservatives, that’s all we had to see to fully understand him. That’s also why he made that ‘heartless’ comment...it really was what he thought of people that dare to question him.


1,584 posted on 01/23/2012 9:03:49 PM PST by BobL ("Heartless" and "Inhumane" FReepers for Cain - we've HAD ENOUGH)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
"Newt’s campaign motto should be this: BEAT ME IF YOU CAN! SURVIVE IF I LET YOU!"

I like:
75% of the people voted for a conservative.

I am THE conservative that can beat Barack Obama.

1,585 posted on 01/23/2012 9:03:54 PM PST by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: txhurl

Gingrich will be an acceptable President — if he can get there. Right now, he can take a plurality of republicans, mostly because as Rush explained today, republicans aren’t voting for Gingrich, but for his attacks against the media.

But Gingrich has terrible negatives. He has serious damage from his time in the 90s, and those negatives won’t be swept under the rug by the general electorate because he attacks liberal journalists.

So if he CAN win, I’ll be happy that he does. But I am not yet convinced he can win the general election, nor am I convinced he’ll actually survive long enough to win the nomination.

But what do I know, I was still hoping Perry could pull it off, because I did think Perry could have won a general election.

But what do we have now? It is scary how many respectable conservatives have either rejected Gingrich, or worse started to come out endorsing Romney.


1,586 posted on 01/23/2012 9:05:27 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: untwist
"..we first must kill the elephant and grow us a new, conservative one before we can truly slay the donkey."

DITTO! I like it.

1,587 posted on 01/23/2012 9:05:53 PM PST by evad (STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING, STOP SPENDING. It's the SPENDING Stupid)
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To: badpacifist
Newt did just what he should have done. He went in with a plan. Controlled his tongue knowing full well he wouldn't be given time for a full explanation of some Romney attacks.

Newt did very well, except ... he should have been prepared with a quick response to Romney's Medicare Part D accusation. He was not prepared, so he punted. Newt is blameless on the topic, but was knocked back on his heels and didn't respond well.

1,588 posted on 01/23/2012 9:06:22 PM PST by Praxeologue
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To: KansasGirl

I’ve been planning to make a ‘breakfast’ apple pie. I think I’ll do it tomorrow and have the first 1/4 with emeril’s special K-cup coffee. [Breakfast pie gets flavor from spice enhanced by a little extra salt and less sugar, using honey for sweetener. I don’t think it would even blip a diabetic.]


1,589 posted on 01/23/2012 9:09:08 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Girlene
Talked about if he was elected pres. he would need the support of us. This was not a top down fix it approach - we'd be in it together.

Thanks!

1,590 posted on 01/23/2012 9:09:40 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane
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To: jpsb
class of 1999 and zotted, we sure are losing a lot of long time freepers.

Election times brings out the worst in some people.

1,591 posted on 01/23/2012 9:10:35 PM PST by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Will88

“Wanted Palin to enter, then hoped Cain would follow through on his surge, but...”
“Now I see problems with all those left, but the most important thing is to get Obama out of the WH.”

The “’problem’ with all those left” is that every single one of them has an actual record! A record of DECADES of heavy national consequence, and SUBSTANTIAL votes cast, and decisions of enormous magnitude and all made with the entire WORLD watching. And you liked plucky Palin and Cain.
Well, well. Talking the walk is no replacement for what you see before you on the stage between those who walked the walk. The record is being used against Newt who did a magnificent job of historic proportion in ‘94, more than anyone in history for the Republicans, so casting ho-hums grates my nerves personally. Just sayin’.


1,592 posted on 01/23/2012 9:14:38 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

You’re still externalizing.

WE, THE PEOPLE, are going to win the election and it simply doesn’t matter who we carry to victory.

Put another way, if you find yourself with an infestation of rats and roaches because people who carry and bring those suddenly moved in all around you, would you care who the exterminator was? No. You care about what chemical army he brought to wipe them out.

We’re the army, the chemical, to neutralize the rats and rinos. It doesn’t matter WHO we run with as long as they are persistent in spotlighting our targets for us.

As a Perry supporter, I am actually more pleased that we will carry Newt to victory. Newt can’t wait to articulate what America was before enemies, foreign and domestic, took her down in 2008.


1,593 posted on 01/23/2012 9:17:14 PM PST by txhurl
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Actually, I heard this morning that there were more votes cast in FL by this morning than all of Iowa. Romney’s campaign sent out absentee ballots, but that does not mean they had to vote for him.


1,594 posted on 01/23/2012 9:17:32 PM PST by World'sGoneInsane
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To: Kennard

“...he should have been prepared with a quick response to Romney’s Medicare Part D accusation. He was not prepared, so he punted. Newt is blameless on the topic, but was knocked back on his heels and didn’t respond well.”

No, he got the retired Florida vote when he said he was for Medicare Part D, spoke for it when it was added, and his reason for being for it was right. If you were 65 or older, you would know we can’t pay the high price of these medicines that keep us alive. Without Part D, many of us would die and that is the truth.

One of my husband’s medicines was $600 a month. With his part D Medicare, he paid $5 a month plus what his Part D insurance cost him per month. Some medicines are so expensive, people would die without that insurance.

I understand when Part D is dumped on, but I also know the elderly, even if they have a good income, can’t pay $600 a month for just one medicine. I don’t know the answer for this, but I know what Part D does to save lives.


1,595 posted on 01/23/2012 9:17:54 PM PST by Marcella (Newt will smash Hussein in debates. Newt needs money.)
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To: STARWISE

Jeb Bush is a sneaky go along to get along creep. He refused to do the one thing that would have changed the dynamic from trying to defend Terri’s right to live, to someone would have had to openly condemn her as useless, which the democrats and their death panel mentality is not yet ready to do. Jeb Bush, as Governor of Florida, could have issued a pardon/stay of execution. I know she had not been sentenced to death, but the colluding criminal judge’s order was in effect just that, a death sentence. A Governor’s pardon would have changed the dynamic (who can recind a Governor’s pardon?) and perhaps changed the course of death by health panel edict forever in this country. When someone defends Jeb Bush, you know they’re not pro-life, they’re politically motivated.


1,596 posted on 01/23/2012 9:18:23 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
It sounds a lot like the panic they used against Reagan. Conservative principles and policies when articulated well, with passion borne of belief in America will win every time.

Who was it that actually accomplished the first Republican Congress in 40 years(a plan he worked on for a long time)? I know that Newt has a plan to help sweep additional Senators and members of the House in with him.

The RNC and the GOP E has shown that they don't have a clue in that regard. 2010 was more TEA Party, Palin etc than RNC/establishment. Their attempt at a second contract with America was a marketing failure, and they didn't get candidates trained very well to stick to the message.

If the GOP E doesn't smash Newt, I think he can win decisively and win the the majorities he needs. Then we will have to watch them all like hawks to make sure they do it. JMO

1,597 posted on 01/23/2012 9:24:27 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: RitaOK

Palin had an excellent record as a reformer who fought corruption and was a solid governor of Alaska.


1,598 posted on 01/23/2012 9:26:11 PM PST by CrosscutSaw (Palin/West after brokered GOP convention in 2012.)
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To: MHGinTN

Sorry .. I can’t get into that hate pit with you.


1,599 posted on 01/23/2012 9:26:11 PM PST by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: County Agent Hank Kimball

Rush believes those 250,000 early votes are possibly the only votes Romney will get. Romney is being openly mocked now, by the reports of media, that he spent 2.5 million in South Carolina, where you can blanket the placee for $350,000, and that he spent 7.0 million in Florida since SEPTEMBER, and he drops like a rock and goes into Florida 10,11 points DOWN from Newt who has been on a shoe string!! LOL! I know, I don’t like that early voting ruse either.


1,600 posted on 01/23/2012 9:28:05 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. NEWT 2012 / Rick Bachmann=Tool of the RINO/Romney backers)
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