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Posted on 01/23/2012 2:38:27 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009
All four remaining GOP candidates have been confirmed for tonight's debate sponsored by NBC News, the Tampa Bay Times, The National Journal and the Florida Council of 100. The debate will take place at the University of South Florida in Tampa. This will be the first of 2 debates this week focusing on the Florida GOP primary on Tuesday, January 31st. Note the air times on the east and west coast.
Television Air Time: Monday, January 23rd at 9pm ET, 8pm CT and 9pm PT on NBC
Live Streams: (airing 9pm ET) NBCPolitics.com, National Journal, and TampaBay.com
Participants: Gingrich, Romney, Santorum, Paul
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I completely agree.
I think Newt responded just right on Medicare part D. Paying for medicine is cheaper than kidney dialysis. Paying for generic zocor is cheaper than bypass surgery.
He is in Florida home of the retired, and this answer not only makes sense fiscally, but helps him with the over 65, now and in the general(they are mad at Obama about robbing medicare).
Ricky Santorum is getting quite tedious and is exposing himself as very ego oriented, meaning we could wonder if he were president if he would work for America's recovery or Rick's style of big government.
Or neglecting to use pronouns, such as: “Started a company, did fairly well, ran the Olympics...”
(vs. “I started a company, we did fairly well, then I ran the Olympics...”)
You’re right, those two guys did look like vampires. At first I thought they were wax figures, like from Madame Tussauds. But, then, they moved, or mostly they smirked, every now and again. Their prominent positioning for maximum camera time just gave the whole thing an extra layer of weirdness.
Thank you both for your answers. Good!!!
I don’t have TV and even if I did out here there’s little to no reception, no cable, so there’s only satellite. Actually haven’t had TV since Clinton’s impeachment hearings.
So, I hear. My point is that those pecking at Newt and Santorum particularly, and even Uncle Nuttie, even Romney have had decades of wars they fought of national consequence that is second to none. Where did Cain come from?— nowhere for very long, but had a silver tongue just as Obama. Governor Palin governed 18-20 months in a state with a population the size of Houston. There is no comparison, but this is a nice night for Newt and I don’t want to be zotted. My point was clearly intended for those who yawn and have the ho-hums for real magnitude, and then harrumph in favor of rhetorical barkers with paper thin records. Been there, done that and he now sits where he sits today— in the Oval Office. Never again.
There were snipers in my friend’s apartment building. It was more secure than the Green Zone in Iraq. It was important for BOTH political parties that Terri end up dead. Terri’s fight revealed early signs of our takeover by homeland security.
We know that when Newt rose to power, all hell broke loose over the Contract with America, and Newt had to do most of the fighting himself. He drove the balanced budgets, welfare reform, tax cuts, and drove Clinton screaming and crying to the middle. Newt was the reason for Triangulation. He pushed the Clinton Impeachment. Without him, we would have had President Gore in 2000. The worthless Republican senate had no guts and never forgave Newt for embarassing them. These are the real reasons for that phony baloney ethics issue where over 80 baseless charges were thrown out. I remember that and I get so mad rethinking it now.
Newt is the establishments worse nightmare, and that is the source of the war we are now going to fight.
Thanks. I’d like to hear more. I was a busy young mom in the mid 90’s and really couldn’t pay a lot of attention to what was going on with Newt — and at the time, who really cared? Life was good — and the country, was, at any rate, FAR more fixed on what was going on with Clinton and his intern.
I really want to hear the “facts” about Newt’s so-called resigning in disgrace ...thing. Didn’t seem to mean a hill of beans at the time.
All I know, and all I remember about Newt from that time — is I became a conservative at that time — and much of the reason was due to Newt. He did at that time what he always does ...articulated the conservative position in a way that just totally persuaded me. He WILL do this again, if we allow him to!!! The night of that republican takeover sweep of the congress was probably one of the most exciting nights of OUR political lives — we toasted to EACH seat won that evening by a Republican ...it was GLORIOUS.
You are correct. Jeb deferred to his older brother and Terri was more or less collateral damage for them. Jeb was a RINO all along masquerading as a conservative.
Agreed, Just saw the rebroadcast of Hannity where Dick Morris said that there is no front runner. Morris and other pundits will still try to cheerlead for who will buy the most ads, but at least the results so far are forcing the media to admit that they can’t choose the nominees as easily as they have.
Newt said that Terri was in a coma. Well, Newt, the pillsbury doughboy genius got that wrong. Comatose patients can’t scream when they are told they are going to be killed if they don’t respond. Terri did much more than that but she cried out in vain.
And another thing re: Newt, anything he believes about husbands and wives should be discounted since he’s not very good at being a husband in the first place. 1. wife with cancer 2. wife with MS 3. blonde wife with hairspray overdose.
Fred Thompson endorses Newt - good interview:
Yes, it’s too hot for Jeb. He might be called a co-murderer if he runs for anything at all.
So true. But God saw and knows all. He won’t forget the facts, and knows so much more than we know as to the evil committed against Terri.
Just like his brother.
Who was the winner?
I wasn’t able to sit through and watch the whole debate, got a phone call (of course). I’ve read that it would be Santorum; NBC refused to allow audience participation (no applause etc.), which made it boring.....and more staged. I saw Mitt looking and sounding like a jerk. I saw calmness in Newt, and that he wasn’t taking Mitt’s baiting to erupt, so he looked presidential. Perhaps some of Mitt’s anklebiting scored some points since Newt wasn’t going to fall for the lies/deceitful insinuations/remarks/accusations.
A lot of things happened over those few years that Newt was speaker and I'm not sure anyone is presenting the whole picture. But I recall that the thing that finally caused him to resign was when it become known that he'd had an adulterous affair during those years.
And then after Newt resigned, heir apparent Bob Livingston also ended up resigning for similar reasons. Dims got lots of mileage from the hypocrisy of both Newt and Livingston with personal lives at odds with their criticism of Clinton and their family values positions.
Those affairs did play a significant part in the reshuffling of the Republican leadership in the House.
I have never liked listening to Steyn, his accent just bothers me. I always look for another channel and apparently I will be listening to Laura?
I don’t think there was a clear winner, jenny.
Newt did the best he could against Romney’s avalanche of accusations at the beginning. That’s ordinarily difficult to handle given the artificially-imposed time limits of a debate; he’d be cut off. If he tried to ask for more time, he’d probably be denied, and he couldn’t count on audience support since NBC decided to suppress them. I’m curious as to how people will view what Newt said.
Romney’s strategy reminds me of what some NFL players do after they commit a foul and they know it: they raise their hands in the air as if nothing happened and try to move on. You could tell Romney was proud of what he did in the opening topics because he went the extra mile to make his murder smile look extra presidential. This could backfire either because people are repulsed by his negativity OR they changed the channel out of boredom before they got to hear his canned speeches.
Santorum had some better moments, especially with the pro-life stuff. But no matter how good he is on that, the endorsements and support just keep coming in for Newt. Rick did well tonight, but barring an event of significant consequence, I think his campaign is on life support.
Ron Paul...not going to go there.
Mitt is desperate, he will lose election.
Hope so. I can’t stand him.
That was a very good moment. Romeny was looking maniacally desperate right up to that. Then he might have finally landed a punch, on the "influence peddling" business. I hope most people had probably already tuned him out by then.
Your post raised a question for me, which I presume some Freeper can answer. I finally made it to the end of the thread without seeing it answered so I'll post my question back to you.
Dr. Paul served as a flight surgeon. I know they had a "doctor draft" back then as both my father and his brother entered the service that way, although both served in the Army. The way I've been told it worked was physicians to be could sign up and choose when to interrupt their education. If you didn't sign up they could and did draft you right out of school to serve as whatever, but if you signed you were deferred until a time of your choosing. The process was technically voluntary, but a strong enough incentive to provide sufficient physicians, which the army would have otherwise had difficulty securing. It was a good deal for both sides.
What I don't know is, did the doctor draft supply just the army or did it supply all of the services? It was technically voluntary, so technically wouldn't break with Air Force tradition, but it was generally knows as the "doctor draft" so Dr. Paul might be telling the truth here. This might also explain an earlier Dr. Paul statement which then bit Newt. Newt said he wasn't eligible for the draft because he was married with one kid. Dr. Paul responded he went even though he was married with two. The doctor draft might explain why Paul was taken and why he said this but not his many other odd statements.
P.S. I arrived during Dad's service; everything wrong with me comes from being government issue. And although I arrived at Ft. Polk, with parents from IA and MN I doubt I'll ever be considered a "natural born southerner." Dad went in after internship as a general medical officer in the late 50s. His younger brother deferred until after his residency and went in as an Ophthalmologist. Which turned out to be an important job when he was stationed as the only military eye doctor in Korea in the late 60s. The CO there then only had one eye and was understandably concerned about its health!
Newt did a lot of things from the 80’s until he left in ‘99. He made his career by fearlessly confronting the very powerful, left-wing democrats. He took on the dictatorial Dem Speaker Tip O’Neill and actually caused O’Neill to be rebuked on the floor of the House, first time that happened in 200 years. He forced O’Neill’s democrat successor Speaker Jim Wright to resignation over a corrupt book deal that consisted of a huge payoff to Wright for a book that was essentially a bunch of blank pages. He pushed for ethics violations and formal censure of Barney Frank when his young boyfriend was running a brothel with very young (maybe underaged) guys out of Barney’s DC townhouse.
That all happened before Newt became Speaker. Newt electrified conservatives, especially Rush Limbaugh. In ‘94 when he led the conservatives to power, he had already created many enemies on the Left, and the GOP establishment feared him because in those days the establishment republicans were happy to be in the minority and get their kickbacks from people like O’Neill and Wright. Everybody was getting their earmarks, turnover in Congress was very low, and neither the democrats or the establishment GOP were happy with Newt coming in and cleaning things up.
The Contract With America was essentially a plan to clean things up. Newt brought 57 new conservatives into the House in ‘94, and forced spending cuts, reforms and things that the establishment didn’t really want. They were content with their old corruption. From the time Newt became Speaker, a gang of democrats formed a hit team and started creating ethics violations against him. Over a few years there were 84 violations, and the GOP establishment really didn’t come to help Newt - they wanted him out, too. Also, this ethics nonsense started to heat up during the Clinton Chinese Donations scandal, BEFORE Monica.
Anyway, the ethics committee took up the 84 ethics claims and threw 83 of them out as baseless. The one that stuck was a vague, tax-related disclosure issue that was so unclear it took months to figure out. In that time, nothing got done, so Newt agreed to accept it so that things could move forward. The establishment used this as a reason to turn on him and they got enough votes for Newt to step down as Speaker. When he left, the GOP was strong in both houses of Congress. In a few years the GOP leadership had squandered it all and in came Pelosi. Reid took the senate before that.
By the way, the one remaining ethics charge was proven invalid.
You have to admit, though, some of you 20th century people can be strange ducks.
Some of you act like deep cover moles.
Where have you been?
The first wife DID. NOT. HAVE. CANCER.
#2 wife didn’t have ms until AFTER their divorce.
Please... Instead of just throwing out stuff, make SURE it is the truth and not give the media spin on stuff!
Andrea Mitchell was remarkably fair to Newt. My impression is that she is very disappointed in Romney. The angle she took relative to Ron Paul and Newt was interesting. Grandpa Ron basically acknowledged that his is a vanity campaign, and Newt managed him very well tonight. I was holding my breath every time Grandpa Ron spoke, waiting for another anti-Newt bomb to come out, but nothing really bad ever materialized. In all, Newt had a good night.
During the Vietnam war we did allow Canadians and some others to join our military, but that was in time of war. Technically, even illegal aliens are supposed to register for the draft and could be drafted in time of real emergency.
Agree, but what do you expect from MSNBC? They want the GOP candidates to tear one another apart while ignoring the real problems, most of them due to Obama’s policies.
Not me :) 78 threads and 21,211 replies.
On the bright side, it should ease the load on the FR servers in what is sure to be a high-traffic election year.
Then he could have given his answer. Reiterated that in his case, he was never even a lobbyist as proved by the contract, but Mittens on the other hand ,actually did hire lobbyists. If lobbyists are so bad, how come mittens hired them?
Then he can point out that he has never been a lobbyist, has only been a consultant. Since Romney has also been a consultant, he knows the difference, and is just trying to mislead and muddy the issue.
Then when Romney comes back at him, just laugh at him: There you go again with those unfounded and untrue accusations. It never happened, it's been explained numerous times, mention the web site to fight the smears..
After that, if mittens keeps going just repeat, It never happened, but you used lobbyists. Use the broken record technique. Just keep repeating it. This leaves the opposition little else to pounce on.
If you have to repeat more than twice. Then you just say it's been answered, and the American people know that you are deliberately trying to mislead on this issue.
They would probably rather hear if you have any plans and policies to solve problems, instead of rehashing things that happened 16 years ago. If you continue to go on about this they are going to think you don't have a any.
Maybe at some point, ask mittens Don't you have any plans, policies or vision to talk about? Or ask him what proposals he has to stop lobbyists or something.
The humor he used in Iowa was a great way. He told mittens if he didn't stop telling lies about Newt, he would be forced to tell the truth about mittens
I think Newt was tired and off his game, but he still did well. I hope he gets some rest before the next debate.
Ugh, tonight's debate really DID need some pep - I want that two hours of my life back! >:-(
True but that is a fraction of the total result if Gingrich is up as much as polling implies, and he was trending up. I am still confident he will kick Romney’s ass, though it will be a little less than if the results of SC and the debate had been up first.
Romney WAS repeating himself, the same terms he no doubt rehearsed. But he was getting no traction, and really appeared unhinged.
Given the option of arguing with a lunatic, or waving him off, I think Newt chose well. He definitely scored with his Medicare response. And maybe diffused the Freddie issue a wee bit by pointing out some of these GSE programs have done good. <——Translation; lots of you folks would not have gotten homes were it not for Freddie.
Newt did come off tired though. OTOH, ‘calm, reserved Newt’ might unfortunately be perceived as “tired”.
I’d be more sympathetic to the anti-Newt folks if they’d actually bother to source their vacuous allegations.
There’s only so many times one can definitively refute claims like 1) Newt was a lobbyist, 2) Newt supports cap & trade, 3) Newt’s a progressive Wilsonian so on, so forth.
It just becomes an irritating distraction to constantly have threads derailed and cluttered by shills who are either incapable or unwilling to argue with facts.
What I want to know is how someone who has run for office 26 times(?) can claim he’s not a career politician. It’s certainly not been for lack of trying!
I have a question here, probably for tomorrow if anyone comes by this thread then, as it is very late tonight:
Is it my imagination, or is Ron Paul AFRAID of Iran, in much the same way many Euro pols were afraid of Hitler in the 1930’s? They could have stopped him, but were afraid it’d be costly / messy, not realizing how much worse it would be, soon enough.
There appears to be an effort to rev it up again now. It’s despicable.
LOL. Well he’s NOT a politician. He’s just an unsuccessful politician wannabe.LOL.
I don't think so. He's too old to be afraid of anything anymore :) IMO, he's just a naive isolationist. Which is really too bad because a lot of his domestic positions are spot on. He's best when he's channeling von Mises and Hayek, and discussing monetary policy and Austrian Business-Cycle Theory.
Yeh. I just felt his response was not as good as usual. But it was ok. I was glad when they moved on.
Santorum was there for her death and the family was grateful but I believe that Rick and other GOP politicians passed meaningless symbolic legislation in DC that did nothing to save Terri’s life.
The GOP political machine including the National Right To Life Committee weren’t ready to risk political capital to intervene in her case with real action.
For a lesson from history, JFK sent federal marshals, prison guards and border agents to protect civil rights protestors in Montgomery, Alabama in May of 1961.
A mob was attacking a church they were in and the federal force held them off barely. JFK was ready to send in federal troops to save the lives of the civil rights protestors but then the governor of Alabama took action declaring martial law and sending in the National Guard to get the mob to back off.
That should have been the model for Jeb Bush and George W. Bush in dealing with saving Terri’s life.
Thanks for outlining that. I lived through it and could not believe my eyes as the old line GOP did NOT support this man.