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Rand Paulís Pat-Down Standoff With TSA in Nashville Ends
ABC News ^ | Jan 23, 2012 10:33am | Sunlen Miller

Posted on 01/23/2012 3:06:21 PM PST by Texas Fossil

By Sunlen Miller @sunlenmiller

Rand Paul’s Pat-Down Standoff With TSA in Nashville Ends

Sen. Rand Paul told his communications director this morning he was being detained by TSA at the Nashville airport.

The Twitter account associated with Paul staffer Moira Bagley, @moirabagley, tweeted around 10 a.m., ET, “Just got a call from @senrandpaul. He’s currently being detained by TSA in Nashville.”

A TSA spokesman disputed that Paul was ever “detained.” But he was not granted access to the secure area of the airport when he tried to board a flight Monday morning.

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KEYWORDS: nashville; patdown; randpaul; tsa
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To: theDentist
So if a cop arrests me, I can turn around and go home, right?

No, you're arrested.

My point is, he needs to undergo the same searches as the rest of us if he wants to get on an airliner.

He's a member of Congress, probably not, But I don't think any of us should be subject to these unConstitutional searches.

41 posted on 01/23/2012 4:47:48 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: manc

Detaining and harassing the infirm, the elderly, the very young, the returning vets, so classy... And the rest are lining up, raising their arms in surrender, going through the cancer machines, anything to please their prison camp guards.

Reparations...

And, I’m sure you’ve heard how it’s no longer a matter of “just don’t fly”....


42 posted on 01/23/2012 4:50:24 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: mass55th

Yes, they are.


43 posted on 01/23/2012 4:56:54 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: justlurking

Original intent both federal and state is to prevent opposition from detaining by law enforcement as a means to change the outcome in a House or Senate vote.

If they are detained and not present they cannot vote.


44 posted on 01/23/2012 4:58:43 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Borax Queen

Many have become sheep who follow, never question and always want to appear popular.


45 posted on 01/23/2012 5:08:17 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between one man and one woman.Trolls get a life, I HATE OUR BIASED LIBERAL MEDIA.)
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To: theDentist

Yes, actually he was arrested. Legally, when you are being detained by a government agent, and are no longer free to leave, that is an “arrest”.
Being arrested in a legal sense doesn’t mean a trip to the jail and charges. It just means that it is not a consensual stop.
If you refuse some TSA action, they will not let you leave. That is an arrest that may or may not end up in charges.


46 posted on 01/23/2012 5:14:02 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Texas Fossil

“What is the difference between being “detained” and being “arrested”?”

None,,, there are consensual stops where you are free to stop talking and leave. If you want to leave and are told you may not, that is an arrest according to long established USSC rulings.
It confuses many because they associate an “arrest” with being charged with a crime.
If an officer stops you, and says you may not leave, he has just arrested you no matter what new CSI term someone tries to use. Any reason he gives is the legal justification for an “arrest”.


47 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Texas Fossil

Whatever the facts are, I salute Mr. Paul for taking a stand and bringing the light of truth on the TSA. Until the US is willing to stop this PC crap and target the real suspects of the searches, I’m gonna drive.......


48 posted on 01/23/2012 5:20:56 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: theDentist

I am glad that Rand Paul is fighting this battle. The one thing that leftist totalitarians do is separate people and attack the lone individual so we are all alone and fearful.


49 posted on 01/23/2012 5:22:58 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: theDentist

“So if a cop arrests me, I can turn around and go home, right?”
No, and he can wrestle you, cuff you, Tazer you, etc to keep you from leaving. Arrested means no longer free to leave. A whole set of law swings into action ref your rights, and what the officer may and must do.

For example, the famous Miranda warnings. Two conditions trigger those, you are being questioned, AND you are not free to leave.
If the officer wants to question you,, but would permit you to walk away, Miranda is not required.

Basically, when you are free to leave, you are not arrested. If Rand would have tried to walk, the government agents would have physically detained him for the police. THAT is an arrest.

Another way to think of it is this,, when the Walmart employee wrongly thinks you have stolen something, and tackles you, holding you down till the cops come, you will be suing Walmart for “false arrest”.


50 posted on 01/23/2012 5:33:24 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: DesertRhino

Thanks for the clarification, my understanding was close to that.


51 posted on 01/23/2012 5:44:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Chickensoup

I like that Rand Paul stood up to TSA child molesters.

I really feel the moronic TSA thugs stepped on a hornet’s nest here.

What is disgusting is that Obama is saying that what the TSA did was just fine.

Glimmers of the police state ahead, as the TSA wants to be able to grope people on trains and at stadiums etc. This is a real police state, commie tactic.

What truly amazes me are people who support communist/soviet tactics.


52 posted on 01/23/2012 5:46:06 PM PST by LibertyLA (fighting libtards and other giant government enablers!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Have only been on a plane 1 time since 9/11. So we are in the same frame of mind.


53 posted on 01/23/2012 5:49:16 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: theDentist; Texas Fossil

To detain is to arrest—more than 15 minutes during the ‘90s (as instructed to police then), and I don’t know if that’s been changed since then.


54 posted on 01/23/2012 6:00:40 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Texas Fossil
The Constitution states clearly that House & Senate members are immune to normal arrest going and coming from Sessions.

You are correct, but still, the TSA was perfectly within bounds by detaining Rand. See, Rand could not officially be going or coming to/from Senate sessions because... the Senate happened during the time in question to be in recess.

Yes, that's correct. They were in recess at the time, according to the official proclamation of our majesty, zer(0).

55 posted on 01/23/2012 7:01:17 PM PST by C210N (Dems: "We must tax you so that we can buy your votes")
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To: C210N

Zero’s Legal Weasel Words. In place of the law.

On the day of his coronation I stated:

“Welcome to New Kenya (Africa U.S.A.)”

“Where the law of the jungle has replaced the Law of the Land.”


56 posted on 01/23/2012 7:09:27 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: theDentist

Yes I agree with you. As a traveler I am no fan of the TSA however had Rand Paul followed the normal procedures and done what all the rest of us do then this would all have taken just a few minutes and would have been no big deal. That plane had a set schedule and whether he was patted down or not he would have arrived at his destination at the same time. So the TSA did not delay Rand Paul. Rand Paul delayed Rand Paul.


57 posted on 01/23/2012 7:14:37 PM PST by plain talk
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To: theDentist

My point is, he needs to undergo the same searches as the rest of us if he wants to get on an airliner.

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that is just the point, no one should be subject to totalitarian fascist terms.


58 posted on 01/23/2012 7:19:40 PM PST by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Thanks for standing up for our Constitution and our nation Rand. Any others in DC got his guts?


59 posted on 01/23/2012 7:21:23 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Texas Fossil

Curious that the Constitutional lecturer would agree with the TSA. I mean he is SO smart, right? With all that Community organizing, surely he had to come across this sort of thing?


60 posted on 01/23/2012 7:21:36 PM PST by Dryman (Define Natural Born Citizen)
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