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Gingrich Threatens to Skip Debates if Audiences Canít Participate [another NY Slimes lie]
NYT ^ | Tuesday January 24, 2012 | Gingrich Threatens to Skip Debates if Audiences Canít Participate

Posted on 01/24/2012 8:21:28 AM PST by Bigtigermike

Newt Gingrich insists his fans will not be silenced.

Mr. Gingrich, a former House speaker, on Tuesday morning threatened not participate in any future debates with audiences that have been instructed to be silent. That was the case on Monday, when Brian Williams of NBC News asked the audience of about 500 people who assembled for a debate in Tampa to hold their applause until the commercial breaks.

In an interview with the morning show “Fox and Friends,” Mr. Gingrich said NBC’s rules amounted to stifling free speech. In what has become a standard line of attack for his anti-establishment campaign, Mr. Gingrich blamed the media for trying to silence a dissenting point of view.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


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To: Lakeshark; Windflier

I couldn’t tell you what was said last night!

I tuned out.


351 posted on 01/24/2012 1:16:13 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: mkjessup
pardon me if I don't hold my breath for that

Please don't - although some would be happy to 'gag' conservatives. And if you don't agree to be gagged - they spew lies about you just like their romney does. Thanks for being on the side of free speech and conservatism!

352 posted on 01/24/2012 1:18:13 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: conservativefromGa

Seriously?

You had your head in the sand on every issue where Mitt is identical to Obama:

Crap for job creation. Check.

Free for all Abortion “rights”. Check.

Gun Grabbing. Check.

Fascist dicta and dictate for healthcare and compulsion to buy a product. Check.

So your opus is to stick your head up your derriere and call us out for??????


353 posted on 01/24/2012 1:19:10 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: onyx

Smart gurl. I switched to a great hockey game......


354 posted on 01/24/2012 1:20:17 PM PST by Lakeshark (NbIttoalbl,cRwIdtaa)
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To: presently no screen name

We have occasionally clashed in the past, but that’s going to happen anytime that different opinions are tossed into the mighty FR Mixmaster, on this however?

We agree 100 percent. :)


355 posted on 01/24/2012 1:21:26 PM PST by mkjessup (A loser to a loser who now endorses that loser is a loser. <-- iow, NO Romney, No WAY!)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

I will try one more time and then if you can’t see the difference fine.

the focus is on the people of the united states in a debate for president, what THEY want.

In court the focus is on the defendant.

In a court you have chosen people or the judge listening to EVIDENCE.

The audience is not involved at all and shouldn’t be.
(and you know that.)


356 posted on 01/24/2012 1:23:13 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
if Gingrich was going to pull a Reagan he would have raised hell last night right on the stage like Reagan did at the time... THAT was what made it special not waiting a day later and then threatening to not show up in the next debate unless he got his way..

So Gingrich is being candid about the situation. I don't know why you've got a problem with that. He recognized that NBC stifled the entire event with their stultifying rules, which did a dis-service to everyone in the country. He's now vowed to not let it happen again.

Apparently, you're also still buying the NY Times lie that he's refusing to show up to any more debates unless the rules are changed. That's not what he said.

357 posted on 01/24/2012 1:23:54 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Lakeshark

LOL. Good on you. I just merely lost interest.
Can’t stand Romney. Too much attention going to him.


358 posted on 01/24/2012 1:29:33 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: lakewood conservative

“I hope everyone here is comfortable in some of the stuff they are espousing. We have always championed we are the philosophy of values and taking the emotion out of issues.”

I disagree.

We have reached that point where the most polite civil discourse will no longer suffice.

Embracing a philosophy and a certain set of “values” can not, can never discount the power of emotions that underpin and nourish such values.

The “political Civil Cold War” that we are now in to regain control of the country is as “emotional” an issue as one could ever hope to find.

And you don’t win wars without stomping, cheering, and some booing along with it.


359 posted on 01/24/2012 1:32:15 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: Bigtigermike

This business of silencing the audience is the latest demonic trick of the Left.

There were times when your brain was screaming “So where’s the applause?!!” Several times last night there was a silence like that clunk sound your computer makes when you hit the wrong thing. It was unnatural.

Notice how slanted the Times piece was. Gives you a kind of warm, toasty feeling that the gray lady of left-wing vitriol is still in top form in her dotage.


360 posted on 01/24/2012 1:33:10 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Yaelle

And a small group clapped loudly for a good answer on the Schiavo issue.


361 posted on 01/24/2012 1:38:26 PM PST by firebrand
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To: Bigtigermike

It’s time to ignore the liberal media and bring back the Trump debate and then another debate by the EIB. Let Trump and Rush be the moderators.


362 posted on 01/24/2012 1:38:34 PM PST by tsowellfan (https://twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: napscoordinator; presently no screen name
To: presently no screen name

Why not be useful and donate to Free Republic you cheap creep. I noticed you don’t donate you ingrate.

Wow. That was foul, and uncalled for. How do you know who does, and does not donate anyway? You really need a time out, Naps.

363 posted on 01/24/2012 1:42:39 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

msNBC had no problem with the applauses 4 years ago when the democrat candidates were doing the same

http://youtu.be/YuBVJ3dQHdw


364 posted on 01/24/2012 1:45:01 PM PST by tsowellfan (https://twitter.com/cafenetamerica)
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To: napscoordinator

There you go again, naps..Over the line..way over.


365 posted on 01/24/2012 1:49:05 PM PST by MEG33 (Thank You To All Who Serve Our Country)
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To: mkjessup

Yes, we have. And thanks.


366 posted on 01/24/2012 1:52:09 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: wardaddy

The ones that haven’t already been taken care of are walking on a very thin thread the last week... They are projecting without making it direct :p


367 posted on 01/24/2012 1:55:08 PM PST by Bikkuri
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To: cripplecreek

“So watch wrestlemainia”

Why not. Wrestlemania is far more informative and substantive that debates held by liberals who love to hear themselves talk.

The reason the press wants the audience silenced is so they can control the conservation. They want their liberal propaganda presented but all the other voices silenced. That’s typical liberalism for you. Freedom of speech terrifies them.


368 posted on 01/24/2012 1:55:24 PM PST by swampfox101
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To: Lakeshark
In the middle of the debate I turned to the lovely lady of the house and asked if this wasn't the most boring, pasty, dull debate of the lot.

She nodded affirmatively as if I just woke her up.

I was listening to the debate on live radio, and following the live thread here. I don't know how many times I began to doze off, and then caught myself.

NBC created a snooze-a-thon.

369 posted on 01/24/2012 1:56:56 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: conservativefromGa

IBTZ

Not sure which airstrike pic to use though >.<


370 posted on 01/24/2012 2:00:14 PM PST by Bikkuri
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To: onyx
I couldn’t tell you what was said last night! I tuned out.

I vaguely recall some of the high points. I tried to pay attention when either Newt or Mitt were speaking, but Paul and Santo put me to sleep.

I slogged all the way to the end, but it was so boring that I didn't even know when it ended, exactly.

What a snooze-fest.

371 posted on 01/24/2012 2:03:43 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I tried very hard to listen to Newt Gingrich, but I was getting too angry when he wasn’t permitted to reply to the fatuous attacks and junior high sniping by his other rival.

NBC gets an F for their debate. I lost interest early and I’m certain a whole lot of others did, too.


372 posted on 01/24/2012 2:10:43 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC - DONATE MONTHLY! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know!)
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To: onyx
I tried very hard to listen to Newt Gingrich, but I was getting too angry when he wasn’t permitted to reply to the fatuous attacks and junior high sniping by his other rival.

Yeah, that pissed me off too. Brian Williams let Mitt rail on about Newt for what seemed like two minutes, then cut Gingrich off after less than a half minute of rebuttal. I wanted to scream.

373 posted on 01/24/2012 2:18:44 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: ConfidentConservative
I will try one more time and then if you can’t see the difference fine.

And if you can't see the rhetorical similarities between the debate format and trial format, it's fine by me.

the focus is on the people of the united states in a debate for president, what THEY want.

And I would say that the that the focus of a debate is the question of who would make the better president.

In court the focus is on the defendant.

And I would say that the focus is on the question of the defendant's innocence or guilt. In some trials (in absentia), the defendant isn't even there.

In a court you have chosen people or the judge listening to EVIDENCE.

And in a trial, you have the chosen people (the public) listening to the different candidates present evidence that supports their argument that THEY are the better candidate.

The audience is not involved at all and shouldn’t be. (and you know that.)

The judge and/or jury IS the audience to be swayed to a decision by evidence and rhetoric.

374 posted on 01/24/2012 2:32:18 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: caww

I think a money issue was brought up as if ‘I donate so I can be given a pass’ for obvious liberalism. Like that’s their ‘right of passage’ when everything else failed and that failed, also. Just like romney, he’s failing so he turns to Newt’s ‘money’ and makes claims that are false!


375 posted on 01/24/2012 2:44:16 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep

LOL! can’t give it up can you?

So there are no audiences in courts?


376 posted on 01/24/2012 2:50:53 PM PST by ConfidentConservative (If my people shall humble themselves and pray,I will hear from Heaven and heal their land.)
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To: fightinJAG
Gingrich needs to show that he can do both: communicate without using the audience as crutch AND cheerlead.

You are completely missing the point. Newt is doing this for America and Americans to retain it's right for free speech and not be controlled by the media. Anyone can hear Newt and what he says without an audience or clapping - his message gets through! He used to that - he teaches!

So Newts does NOT need to show anything - His Patriotism and love for America is KNOWN! And he is putting it into action! Different than the other candidates - they haven't voiced anything on this. He knows when Americans are being wrong or robbed of their rights and when he sees it he immediately tries to correct it. Too back if that grates you but Americans who value their freedoms back the one who has a voice and uses it for America.

377 posted on 01/24/2012 3:12:34 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Bigtigermike

..didn’t the Lincoln-Douglas debates have loud boisterous crowds?—I think it was and still is cool—it’s American!


378 posted on 01/24/2012 3:15:40 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( In Memory of My Father--WWII Vet and Patriot 1926-2007)
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To: jersey117

I guess the Sun Tzu book also said to say everyone is in the tank for Romney but Palin or whoever is the only one not chewed up and spit out remaining.


379 posted on 01/24/2012 3:24:39 PM PST by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Bigtigermike

Special Report on Fox tonight covered Gingrich’s complaint that not allowing audience participation denies free speech. I do not agree that it denies free speech. However, NOT allowing the audience to display approval and enthusiasm puts the MSM in the position of interpreting public acceptance of the candidate’s message. Stated another way, it allows the MSM to spin support for a candidate to their liking.

Audience participation cuts into the power of the MSM. The MSM has controlled information way too long. I am with Newt on audience participate, but for a different reason. We MUST defeat the press at their games.


380 posted on 01/24/2012 4:21:20 PM PST by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: ConfidentConservative
So there are no audiences in courts?

Sometimes, and sometimes not. But the audience to which the argumentative or persuasive rhetoric is directed are not the spectators, but the judge and jury--the ones beyond "the bar."

381 posted on 01/24/2012 4:28:59 PM PST by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: RatRipper

Thank you RatRipper - right to the heart of the matter.

“”Audience participation cuts into the power of the MSM. The MSM has controlled information way too long. I am with Newt on audience participate, but for a different reason. We MUST defeat the press at their games.””

Plus, if the StateRunMedia can lull the electorate to sleep, it gives the subconscious impression that none of these candidates inspire us.

May God grant us strength, wisdom and courage.
Tatt


382 posted on 01/24/2012 4:52:11 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Bigtigermike

Other articles here saying this NYT piece is untrue. Can we get clarification and if this is untrue, should fix the headliner or get it pulled?


383 posted on 01/24/2012 5:01:44 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Bigtigermike

Williams is a dingleberry...no surprise.


384 posted on 01/24/2012 5:01:59 PM PST by BearArms (Newtron Boom!)
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To: PapaNew; Bigtigermike

Sad to report FRiend that many have been after Bigtigermike alllll day to amend the title in ANY way, but he has never responded, so the general consensus is that his intention all along was to advance the media spin : |

Other folks contacted the mods, but nothing was done, and the possibility was floated that this thread was serving a purpose in giving a lot of folks plenty of rope to hang themselves with...

May God grant us the strength, wisdom and courage, to see this through.
Tatt


385 posted on 01/24/2012 5:53:19 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: PapaNew; Bigtigermike

Sad to report FRiend that many have been after Bigtigermike alllll day to amend the title in ANY way, but he has never responded, so the general consensus is that his intention all along was to advance the media spin : |

Other folks contacted the mods, but nothing was done, and the possibility was floated that this thread was serving a purpose in giving a lot of folks plenty of rope to hang themselves with...

May God grant us the strength, wisdom and courage, to see this through.
Tatt


386 posted on 01/24/2012 5:53:22 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Sigh. Sorry for the double post. This iPad and I have a rather adversarial relationship : /

Tatt


387 posted on 01/24/2012 5:56:29 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: thesearethetimes...

No I’ve been at work since I posted it this morning- didn’t know that it was a misquote


388 posted on 01/24/2012 7:17:32 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: presently no screen name

Why in the world do you have to end every post with some kind of insult or personal barb?

I remember you from the last presidential cycle and you were a nice person then.


389 posted on 01/24/2012 7:24:51 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: onyx

Whether or not I “like” Gingrich has nothing to do with it. Despite the way some of his “fans” are proceeding, I don’t see this as a celebrity ball.

I don’t trust him, yet, and I have concerns about whether he can win.

That is all.

If he gets the nomination, I will work to get him elected. In the meantime, he’s got a lot of explaining to do, in my book. And I don’t agree with the pass he’s being given by some conservatives.


390 posted on 01/24/2012 7:32:45 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: mkjessup

Yep. And I was just trying to be nice!


391 posted on 01/24/2012 7:33:56 PM PST by fightinJAG (So many seem to have lost their sense of smell . . .)
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To: Bigtigermike

Gosh.... I hope you had a good day at work, because It was certainly an interesting afternoon in your absence FRiend : /

Very glad to know it was wholly unintentional on your part, because we were really under siege from whole lot of folks who were totally ready to swallow the StateRunMedia Newt is a spoiled child line, based solely upon the totally fabricated headline.

Heck, folks were so ready to believe the spin that we couldn’t even get them to slow down enough to read what he actually said, let alone actually go and listen to him : /

Apologies for giving in to doubt under the onslaught.

May God grant us strength, wisdom and courage in this fight for our nation.
Tatt


392 posted on 01/24/2012 8:25:21 PM PST by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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