Newt Gingrich removes anti-immigrant Romney ad after scolding by Sen. Marco Rubio, others

One thing that I have never been able to understand is the humane argument thing. How about some humanity for those waiting YEARS to legally immigrate to this nations. How about a little compassion for them? Illegals steal the rights of legal immigrates by flooding the job market lessening the need for legal immigration but no one seems to care about them.

But on the whole, this problem goes back a lot longer than 86 and is a lot bigger than any laws passed or not.

When the history of the rise and fall of the US is written, historians will point to the 1965 Immigration Act that changed the demographics of this country forever as the single most important factor for our decline.

The 1965 Immigration Act: Anatomy of a Disaster

It is largely the impact of a supply and demand issue plus an open border.

It has to do with an inexhaustible supply of cheap labor, legal and illegal, which drives down wages. There is a reason why salaries have remained stagnant or declined since the 1970s.

The latest data show 22.1 million immigrants holding jobs in the U.S. with an estimated 8 million being illegal aliens. By increasing the supply of labor between 1980 and 2000, immigration reduced the average annual earnings of native-born men by an estimated $1,700 or roughly 4 percent. Among natives without a high school education, who roughly correspond to the poorest tenth of the workforce, the estimated impact was even larger, reducing their wages by 7.4 percent. The reduction in earnings occurs regardless of whether the immigrants are legal or illegal, permanent or temporary. It is the presence of additional workers that reduces wages, not their legal status.

The Bureau of Labor statistics for December 2011 show a national unemployment rate of 8.5 percent, including 15.8 percent for blacks and 11 percent for Hispanics. 22 million Americans are seeking full-time employment. Despite the economic downturn, the U.S. continues to bring in 125,000 new, legal foreign workers a month. This includes new permanent residents (Green Cards) and long-term temporary visas and others who are authorized to take a job. This makes no sense.

So, how many of you pro-Gingrich folks are going to turn against him, now that he called a hardline illegal immigrant stance "inhumane".

Romney's "anti-immigrant" comes from his hypocrisy. While he vetoed a specific in-state tuition bill, as governor he counter-proposed free college for students scoring a certain level on the high school exit exam without regard for legal status. His Rat legislature got him out of that one claiming it would advantage too may wealthy students. He employed illegals at his own home and even when caught allowed his gardener to keep the same illegals for another year until he was running for POTUS.

As an amoral vulture capitalist, he likes illegals more than real immigrants or real Americans.

The anti-Newt knotheads ignore his proposals which start with border control by a date certain and include the specific sorts of enforcement measures that AZ and others have passed.

Everyone of those critics with questionable motives focuses on the very last idea which won't even be considered before all the other steps are taken to completion and that's creating a review process for those who haven't left on their own, have registered as required, haven't been deported, have a long history and deep community ties.

Romney's trying to pander to activists like some born-again bigot. For the GOP's sake, and all our sakes, I hope he does not succeed. His tactics failed in CA in the mid-90s and turned that state permanently blue with the rise of Hispanic voters.

Now look at what you just said. You quoted an exact percentage, and then had no idea how many folks to apply it to. 12 or 20 million? My point is this: that 40% figure is dubious, very dubious. The biggest part of the problem is due to those who crossed the border illegally and the way to stop the biggest bleeding is to stop that.

There is no doubt that we really don't know how many illegal aliens are here or how they got here. We do have the government and various think tanks that use available data to estimate numbers. Both Dems and Reps have come to the 40% number. Pew and CIS have also used that estimate. Securing the border only solves part of the problem. The US-VISIT act of 1996 was supposed to set up a system to track down and deport visa overstays. It was never fully implemented.

We have over 50 million visitors to the US annually. There are over 700,000 foreign students in the US and millions of guest workers. This is a major challenge to keep tract of them.

Well the anchor baby question will have to be addressed through an interpretation of the 14th ammendment.

Or a constitutional amendment. If Congress passes a law, it will be challenged and go to the courts. If SCOTUS declares the law unconstitutional, an amendment will be the only way to change it. Ireland had birthright citizenship, the last country in Europe to have it and they changed it thru a constitutional amendment.

I have my doubts that NBC will be defined as being born of two US citizens and on US soil. There are just too many Americans who have been or are born to US military and other government personnel overseas, including my own daughter, to exclude them from being eligible for the Presidency. Personally, I think we are going to get a ruling very similar to the Tribe-Olson opinion, which makes it even more imperative that we get rid of birthright citizenship.

“The Birther train left the station a long time ago and nobody is going to run after it.”

I have a news flash for you. The state of GA is possibly going to keep BHO off the 2012 ballot. There are currently 3 complaints in front of the court. The judge has enjoined the Sec of State of GA from putting Barry on the ballot. the states of Connecticut and I believe AZ are doing the same thing. Millions of people still believe in the Constitution.

This is not going away and if Rubion gets put on the GOP ticket he may not get on the ballot in some states. We don’t need that kind of crapola. We need to win.

Since 9/11 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens and hundreds of thousands more have been injured or been the victims of crimes by them. Where is the humanity and concern for our fellow citizens who must bear the costs for their illegality? In CA, incarceration costs alone for illegal aliens is over a billion dollars annually.

National Remembrance Day for those killed by illegal aliens

On Friday, citizen advocacy groups F.I.R.E. Coalition, the Tea Party Immigration Coalition and the Foreign National Crime Information Center announced their support for National Remembrance Day for Americans who have fallen at the hands of illegal alien criminals.

The groups issued the following press release:

"The Illegal Alien Crime Reporting Act of 2011 and Remembering the American Victims of Illegal Alien Criminals"

F.I.R.E. Coalition, in partnership with the Tea Party Immigration Coalition and the Foreign National Crime Information Center, will hold a press conference in Washington, DC Thursday November 3rd to designate November 6th as the Day of Remembrance for the American victims of illegal alien criminals and to support Congressman Walter Jones' (R-NC) H.R. 3168 (The Illegal Alien Crime Reporting Act of 2011).

"November 6th is the 25th anniversary of the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act(IRCA) Amnesty," said John Stahl, co-founder of the Tea Party Immigration Coalition. "One legacy of IRCA is millions of illegal aliens who continue to sneak into our country expecting another amnesty and some of them are violent criminals. It is appropriate that November 6th be the day that we observe a moment of silence, remembering the tens of thousands of unnecessary victims of illegal alien crimes. They are 'unnecessary victims,' because if the federal government did its job, secured our borders and enforced our immigration laws, we wouldn’t have illegal alien criminals victimizing innocent American citizens and legal immigrants."

Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens

More than 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since 9/11.

Think about that.

More than 6,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since that same date. But nearly ten times that number have been killed right here at home as a consequence of the Federal government’s failure to secure our borders and protect its citizens, in direct violation of the Constitution’s Article IV Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

More than 50,000 dead as a direct result of this violation. Yet the media ignores the victims. And politicians don’t recognize the loss of tens of thousands of families.

But today We The People remember.

Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed By Illegal Aliens. A coalition of groups fighting against illegal immigration, including Stand With Arizona, the FIRE Coalition, and Congressmen Steve King (R-IA) and Walter Jones (R-NC) have joined together to recognize this day in honor of the victims.

Gingrich can’t even stay a week with self destructing himself.

And you guys somehow think Gingrich will cleanup Obama in e general election.

Whatever, most Americans and until very recently most freepers wanted our existing immigration laws enforced and our borders secured. Once that was done we could talk about the remaining illegals that did not self deport. But until that was done there was nothing to talk about. Personally I am sticking to that position.

Me too.

Hispanics have been voting Dem for a long time and will continue to do so in the future. Immigrants and minorities vote Dem, the party of free stuff.

Latino Voting in 2010

Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects

Everyone of those critics with questionable motives focuses on the very last idea which won't even be considered before all the other steps are taken to completion and that's creating a review process for those who haven't left on their own, have registered as required, haven't been deported, have a long history and deep community ties.

Why must we reward them for their crimes by legalizing their status, including the right to live and work here? These lawbreakers not only entered the country illegally, they worked illegally, they committed ID theft, tax evasion, driving illegally, etc. And this stupid idea that communities are going to decide who can stay is nonsense. Imagine how that will work in LA and SF or the many other sanctuary states, counties, and cities. Hell, one mayor in CT wants to allow illegals to vote in local elections.

I’m not saying Romney has a good plan on immigrants, or that he can be trusted. Gingrich has taken ROmney at his word on his plan, and has called his treatment of illegal immigrants “inhumane”, and has called it “anti-immigrant”. That’s the problem, not whether Romney or Gingrich have a better plan, or a more realistic plan.

I can support Gingrich with his position on immigrants, I just don’t want Obama quoting Newt Gingrich in the fall telling us we are inhumane and anti-immigrant.