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Gingrich Mocks Romney's "Self-Deportation" Plan For Illegal Immigrants
The Washington Post ^ | January 25, 2012 | Amy Gardner and Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 01/25/2012 1:00:13 PM PST by truthkeeper

MIAMI — Former House speaker Newt Gingrich on Wednesday mocked as an “Obama-level fantasy” Mitt Romney’s plan to deal with illegal immigration by encouraging “self-deportation.”

Gingrich made the comment as he began a day of outreach to Florida’s Hispanic voters with an extensive interview on Spanish-language television and a speech at Florida International University in which he called for a more a forceful U.S. role in ending communist rule in Cuba, as well as an overhaul of U.S. economic policies toward all of Latin America.

In an interview with the Univision network, Gingrich said it was unrealistic for millions of illegal immigrants in the United States to voluntarily leave the country, as Romney, his chief rival for the Republican presidential nomination, suggested in a debate Monday ahead of Florida’s Jan. 31 primary. Gingrich, who upset the GOP race by decisively winning Saturday’s South Carolina primary, also used a question about the immigration issue to get in a few digs at the former Massachusetts governor over his wealth and tax returns.

“You have to live in a world of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million income for no work to have some fantasy this far from reality,” Gingrich told Univision interviewer Jorge Ramos. “For Romney to believe that somebody’s grandmother is going to be so cut off that she is going to self-deport, I mean this is an Obama-level fantasy.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; cuba; gingrich; hispandering; romney; univision
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The concept of "self-deportation" isn't new and certainly wasn't invented by Romney. We've been discussing it on Free Republic immigration threads for at least 12 years.
1 posted on 01/25/2012 1:00:18 PM PST by truthkeeper
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To: truthkeeper; Liz

Nana Mocks Romney’s “Self-Deportation” Plan For Illegal Immigrants

and when teh Nana loves at ya...

ya been well and truly laughed at

ya big doofus...


2 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:06 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: bcsco

Ping.


3 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:45 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper

“You have to live in a world of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million income for no work to have some fantasy this far from reality,” Gingrich told Univision interviewer

How on earth is this type of comment coming from a so called strong conservative.


4 posted on 01/25/2012 1:03:55 PM PST by GregH
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To: truthkeeper

Newt’s right though. It’s fantastical to expect that millions are simply going to voluntarily self-deport once the border is sealed and the laws are enforced. Yes, some will leave. But many will remain.


5 posted on 01/25/2012 1:05:03 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: GregH

I don’t want a private equity investment manager as my president. Does that make me not conservative?


6 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:19 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: truthkeeper

Pandering for the illegal alien loving vote in the Florida primary might work, but how does Newt expect to outbid ObaMao in the general election?


7 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:43 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Yes, some will leave. But many will remain.

And those that do can stay "in the shadows," as far as I am concerned. They don't deserve bennies from us.

8 posted on 01/25/2012 1:06:51 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper
The concept of "self-deportation" isn't new and certainly wasn't invented by Romney. We've been discussing it on Free Republic immigration threads for at least 12 years.

We sure have. So, why does Newt mock the concept? Does it bother him, or does he think it will bother potential Florida voters? D'uh. They can't be conservatives, right?

9 posted on 01/25/2012 1:08:07 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: All

Newt’s plans/rhetoric aside (cuz’I’m not really up on HIS particular stance), it really IS the key and states like Alabama have proven it so.
If we get tough and start JAILING people who rent, support and employ illegals, it will work.
Make this country HOSTILE to the notion of supporting those who come here illegally and take the tit from them.
In addition, I would love to see those who are responsible for the unlawful creation of “sanctuary citizens” to be perp-marched as well.


10 posted on 01/25/2012 1:08:13 PM PST by Maverick68
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To: truthkeeper

I agree they shouldn’t receive benefits—nobody is saying they should receive anything.

But you’re still going to have millions who remain here, supported off the books by their own people. There needs to be a plan for dealing with them.


11 posted on 01/25/2012 1:09:00 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Some birds will still stay in your yard if you take the bird feeder down, but they will tend to be the more industrious type who can get along fine without taxpayer handouts. IOW, not your typical La Raza voters.


12 posted on 01/25/2012 1:09:18 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Still at it I see. We both agree that attrition through enforcement works. And there is no need to legalize the status of those that remain. We just make our country as inhospitable to lawbreakers as we possibly can including shutting off the job magnet, checking the immigration of those on lawful stops, cutting off all benefits etc. No amnesty period.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 1:10:49 PM PST by kabar
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To: Utmost Certainty

Automatic 20 million for no work?

So Gingrich thinks someone dependent on money earned through investments is lazy and does not work.


14 posted on 01/25/2012 1:11:25 PM PST by GregH
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To: Utmost Certainty

Self-deportation is underway as we speak, thanks to the leadership of Arizona with Alabama, Georgia and other states following with strong measures.

I guess Gingrich disapproves of the self-deportation policies of his home state, Georgia. The guy is a walking bundle of contradictions whose reach in to leftist rhetoric to win conservative votes is a wonder to see.


15 posted on 01/25/2012 1:13:28 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: GregH

The point of Newt’s comment was that Romney is out of touch with the realities most people face. That is undeniably true. It wasn’t class warfare rhetoric.

Like I said, I don’t want a private equity investment manager as my president. We’re not running for best CEO here.


16 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:09 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Utmost Certainty
But you’re still going to have millions who remain here, supported off the books by their own people. There needs to be a plan for dealing with them.

The plan is called attrition thru enforcement. We should enforce our existing immigration laws. It is illegal for an employer to hire an illegal alien and it is illegal for an illegal alien to work. And we have laws against ID theft, driving without a license, tax evasion, etc. I really don't see the urgency of having to deal with those already here beyond normal law enforcement. No mass roundups and mass deportations. And you secure the borders and set up a system to track and deport visa overstays.

17 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:19 PM PST by kabar
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To: truthkeeper

Newt Gingrich on self-deportation “Romney shows no concern for ‘Humanity’ of illegals”+

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2837664/posts


18 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:43 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: truthkeeper

There was a time when Romney tried to out-gay and out-abortion Kennedy. Kennedy, a left winger, was amazed at the attempt from someone most saw as more conservative than him. Now Romney knows how Kennedy felt.


19 posted on 01/25/2012 1:15:43 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: Utmost Certainty

I live in Texas, most will leave when their reason for being here drys up. As for those that choose to remain? Well we can talk about that AFTER enforcement is put in place.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 1:16:10 PM PST by jpsb
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To: GregH

Nobody is talking about taking away Romney’s money. In fact, Newt proposes no cap gain tax for everyone and not just the middle class. Romney’s tax plan is the one with class warfare, not Newt’s.

But if all Romney has going for him is his record at Bain then it’s not much there.


21 posted on 01/25/2012 1:16:49 PM PST by ari-freedom (If SOPA/PIPA passes, we will lose our Free Republic.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Newt doesn’t disapprove of self-deportation—don’t be absurd.

But it’s sheer fantasy to think that self-deportation alone is going to address the problem as a whole.


22 posted on 01/25/2012 1:17:28 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: kabar
Still at it I see. We both agree that attrition through enforcement works. And there is no need to legalize the status of those that remain. We just make our country as inhospitable to lawbreakers as we possibly can including shutting off the job magnet, checking the immigration of those on lawful stops, cutting off all benefits etc. No amnesty period.
23 posted on 01/25/2012 1:18:34 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper

How to Deport 10-20 Million Illegal Aliens (Self-Deportation)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2837182/posts


24 posted on 01/25/2012 1:19:24 PM PST by VU4G10
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To: VU4G10
Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed by Illegal Aliens--November 6, 2011

More than 50,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens since 9/11.

Think about that.

More than 6,000 U.S. troops have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan since that same date. But nearly ten times that number have been killed right here at home as a consequence of the Federal government’s failure to secure our borders and protect its citizens, in direct violation of the Constitution’s Article IV Section 4:

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

More than 50,000 dead as a direct result of this violation. Yet the media ignores the victims. And politicians don’t recognize the loss of tens of thousands of families.

But today We The People remember.

Today is National Remembrance Day for Americans Killed By Illegal Aliens. A coalition of groups fighting against illegal immigration, including Stand With Arizona, the FIRE Coalition, and Congressmen Steve King (R-IA) and Walter Jones (R-NC) have joined together to recognize this day in honor of the victims.

25 posted on 01/25/2012 1:20:33 PM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

So sorry, meant to add “I agree with you” at post #23.


26 posted on 01/25/2012 1:21:24 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper

Instead of going back many will move into crime, drug dealing, illegal gambling, prostitution.

You have to physically ship them out.


27 posted on 01/25/2012 1:21:27 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (NEWT GINGRICH 2012)
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Instead of going back many will move into crime, drug dealing, illegal gambling, prostitution.

They already are. I should know, I'm surrounded by them.

28 posted on 01/25/2012 1:23:20 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: Vigilanteman
Some birds will still stay in your yard if you take the bird feeder down

Great analogy!

29 posted on 01/25/2012 1:24:38 PM PST by PressurePoint
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Instead of going back many will move into crime, drug dealing, illegal gambling, prostitution.

You have to physically ship them out.


Exactly.

Of course, then one starts risking backlash against mass deportations.

The problem isn't as simple as some like to think it is.
30 posted on 01/25/2012 1:24:52 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Utmost Certainty
A lot of them are self deporting from Alabama.

Without getting into the political fight between Romney and Gingrich, the key to stopping illegal immigration is to deny access to employment and basic services. If you can't get a job and you can't get electricity, water, gas, etc., then you will go somewhere else.

The lowest impact across the board would be the creation of a guest agricultural worker program, which would allow the seasonal hiring of workers without their families. Then phase in a requirement that all employees be run through e-Verify.

31 posted on 01/25/2012 1:25:30 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Utmost Certainty
But it’s sheer fantasy to think that self-deportation alone is going to address the problem as a whole.

I am unaware of any candidate who is saying that self-deportation, i.e., attrition thru enforcement alone, will solve the problem.

32 posted on 01/25/2012 1:25:44 PM PST by kabar
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To: GregH

He’s not a conservative, he pretends to be.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 1:25:57 PM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: kabar

Romney apparently does.


34 posted on 01/25/2012 1:28:08 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: truthkeeper

It’s no plan at all, like everything Romney says.


35 posted on 01/25/2012 1:29:37 PM PST by livius
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To: truthkeeper

Somebody needs to inform Newt of the cold, hard facts ~ WE DON’T WANT THEM. They have homes they can go to. We don’t.


36 posted on 01/25/2012 1:29:54 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Utmost Certainty
It's not "fantastical" at all. Frankly, you guys who imagine that we can't stop employing illegal aliens really have it all wrong. We have 26 million unemployed Americans.

It's time to cut off the gravy train. Send them back. Let them take their cars and trucks with them.

37 posted on 01/25/2012 1:32:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: USNBandit
Without getting into the political fight between Romney and Gingrich, the key to stopping illegal immigration is to deny access to employment and basic services. If you can't get a job and you can't get electricity, water, gas, etc., then you will go somewhere else.

THANK you.

In 2006 I had a room addition built. My BF, who was the general contractor, said the two local Home Depots were ringed with illegals on all sides. They would practically jump into their truck every time he and his crew pulled into the lot for supplies. As of last year, he said there are only about a dozen of them hanging around the lots. Due to our lousy economy, their numbers have been greatly reduced.

The process of self-deportation has, in fact, already begun.

38 posted on 01/25/2012 1:32:35 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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I am unaware of any candidate who is saying that self-deportation, i.e., attrition thru enforcement alone, will solve the problem.

That is because no candidate is proposing self-deportation only.

39 posted on 01/25/2012 1:33:47 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: USNBandit
Best bet is to let mechanization, automation, improved methods, computerization and robotics continue the effort to come up with farming without people.

We came out of the paleolithic into the neolithic with almost no one farming. Human beings simply aren't made for it.

40 posted on 01/25/2012 1:35:32 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: livius
It's NOT Romney's plan, and it IS happening Southern California already.

Starve the beast.

41 posted on 01/25/2012 1:35:43 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: Utmost Certainty
There needs to be a plan for dealing with them.

We have one it's called deportation.

42 posted on 01/25/2012 1:36:32 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Utmost Certainty

The illegals are already into crime. First, get rid of their cover ~


43 posted on 01/25/2012 1:37:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

It is fantastical because millions will still remain and pose huge problems.


44 posted on 01/25/2012 1:37:39 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: La Enchiladita
That is because no candidate is proposing self-deportation only.

There doesn't seem to be any way to win on this issue, does there? Either they claim "no one can round up 11 million (ha!) illegals and send them home" or "self-deportation alone won't work."

Don't they call that having your cake and eating it too?

45 posted on 01/25/2012 1:38:21 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Instead of going back many will move into crime, drug dealing, illegal gambling, prostitution.

LOL! Was that a joke?

46 posted on 01/25/2012 1:40:09 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: truthkeeper

Well while I do not like Myth, I do agree with Myth’s plan, I dislike Newt’s immigration position even less, let’s hope we can get Newt to rethink his position.


47 posted on 01/25/2012 1:40:09 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: stockpirate

Well, call me Pollyanna but hopefully we can actually DISCUSS THE ISSUE on this thread without it deteriorating into a bash-fest.


48 posted on 01/25/2012 1:43:31 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: muawiyah
I live in NW Washington where we have a lot of apple orchards and berry farms.

Despite the berry growers having some really cool looking berry picking machines they still need a lot of manual (in this area that means Manuel) labor.

49 posted on 01/25/2012 1:43:41 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Utmost Certainty
The problem isn't as simple as some like to think it is.

It is simple. People say it's hard becaue they don't want to deal with it.

50 posted on 01/25/2012 1:44:18 PM PST by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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