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Gingrich Mocks Romney's "Self-Deportation" Plan For Illegal Immigrants
The Washington Post ^ | January 25, 2012 | Amy Gardner and Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 01/25/2012 1:00:13 PM PST by truthkeeper

MIAMI — Former House speaker Newt Gingrich on Wednesday mocked as an “Obama-level fantasy” Mitt Romney’s plan to deal with illegal immigration by encouraging “self-deportation.”

Gingrich made the comment as he began a day of outreach to Florida’s Hispanic voters with an extensive interview on Spanish-language television and a speech at Florida International University in which he called for a more a forceful U.S. role in ending communist rule in Cuba, as well as an overhaul of U.S. economic policies toward all of Latin America.

In an interview with the Univision network, Gingrich said it was unrealistic for millions of illegal immigrants in the United States to voluntarily leave the country, as Romney, his chief rival for the Republican presidential nomination, suggested in a debate Monday ahead of Florida’s Jan. 31 primary. Gingrich, who upset the GOP race by decisively winning Saturday’s South Carolina primary, also used a question about the immigration issue to get in a few digs at the former Massachusetts governor over his wealth and tax returns.

“You have to live in a world of Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island accounts and automatic $20 million income for no work to have some fantasy this far from reality,” Gingrich told Univision interviewer Jorge Ramos. “For Romney to believe that somebody’s grandmother is going to be so cut off that she is going to self-deport, I mean this is an Obama-level fantasy.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; cuba; gingrich; hispandering; romney; univision
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To: truthkeeper

There doesn’t seem to be a way to win on the issue. It’s just another political football tossed around for convenience. The truth is there is no politician who understands the reality of the CRISIS as you and I and millions of other citizens do. It is very frustrating.

But if we can get someone who simply sets about ENFORCING the laws we already have... Voila!

And for posters who don’t like any of the plans or approaches offered, well, they must in some way be profiting from the presence of illegals in the U.S.


51 posted on 01/25/2012 1:44:46 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: livius
Romney should thank Brian Williams for a censored audience in Tampa when he made that remark!
52 posted on 01/25/2012 1:45:19 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1

Is that the best you can do?

What would the audience have responded had they not been “censored?”

Hmmm?


53 posted on 01/25/2012 1:47:01 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Nana Mocks Romney’s “Self-Deportation” Plan For Illegal Immigrants

Yesterday, Mark Steyn subbing for Rush, said he was going to take advantage of romney's new program and self-deport himself back to Canada. He was funny yesterday.

Rush must have bitch slapped Steyn for ragging on Newt, because he was walking on eggs yesterday when it came to Newt.

54 posted on 01/25/2012 1:48:01 PM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke The Terrorist Savages)
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To: La Enchiladita

Agree. This cannot go on...someone needs to take a stand.


55 posted on 01/25/2012 1:48:10 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: La Enchiladita

When Romney was asked how he would round up the illegals..he said, “self-deportation” the audience let out a stiffled laugh. Yes, they were told to restrain from making any applause or loud reactions. I think it is the BEST illustration of how out of touch Mitt is....dumb comment. Too bad you dont like it. NEWTER ROMNEY!


56 posted on 01/25/2012 1:50:25 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: truthkeeper

My guess is you sent that post to me but it was meant for someone else, because I in no way bashed anyoe least of all you....


57 posted on 01/25/2012 1:53:54 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: truthkeeper

My guess is you sent that post to me but it was meant for someone else, because I in no way bashed anyone least of all you....


58 posted on 01/25/2012 1:53:54 PM PST by stockpirate (Romney, Ann Coulter & our ruling republican SOCIALISTelites, are Big Government socialists,)
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To: katiedidit1

Obviously the audience wasn’t from Southern California, and neither are you. If so, neither they nor you would find this subject so hysterically funny.


59 posted on 01/25/2012 1:54:25 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper
Sweet! Let's get started.

The problems with illegal immigration are

1. Cost to government and institutions of supporting illegals

2. Fraud damage through ID theft

3. Depressed wages introduced into what used to be decent paying blue collar jobs (roofing, meat processing, furniture)

4. Introduction of a shadow population within our society that is more vulnerable to crime and gang activity.

5. Damage to the above board/legal economy.

Solutions.

1 e-Verify requirement for all employees nationwide.

2. Stiff penalties for those that employ people without using e-Verify.

3. A guest worker program for agricultural workers. Workers only, but freedom to travel as desired back to their home country.

4. When law enforcement serves a warrant on an illegal alien, they take ICE with them. Any illegals caught at the residence are deported. Raise a gang banger, get deported.

5. No path to citizenship or legal status. You cheated to get in, you pay the price.

60 posted on 01/25/2012 1:54:52 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: stockpirate

Of course, you are right...it was a general comment. I just clicked on the nearest name when I posted. My apologies if you thought I insulted you, FRiend.


61 posted on 01/25/2012 1:56:23 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: truthkeeper

It is not funny. Did I say it was? I said it was a dumb remark by Romney!!!!! like it or not it was stupid. Do you really believe that illegals will self deport?


62 posted on 01/25/2012 1:56:47 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
Read my post #38 on this thread.

As I said, obviously you aren't from Southern California.

63 posted on 01/25/2012 1:59:00 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: katiedidit1
Do you really believe that illegals will self deport?

If they're no longer getting what they came here for, why wouldn't they?

64 posted on 01/25/2012 2:01:41 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: katiedidit1

Too bad you’re not aware of what is actually going on in the real world, and perhaps you are fairly new to Free Republic. Self-deportation is not a new or laughable concept. The rowdy part of the audience is usually made up of Paul supporters anyway, but if they were Newt’s I’m not surprised by juvenile behavior.


65 posted on 01/25/2012 2:02:27 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: GregH
How on earth is this type of comment coming from a so called strong conservative.

Because he is a "so called", and not a genuine, strong conservative?

66 posted on 01/25/2012 2:04:19 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

If you trust them to leave voluntarily and agree with Mitt..that is your choice. Unless they are tracked I doubt that many of them would pack up and leave. There is a lot of id fraud and more among illegals. They may move to another state but I would say there is a dangerous chance that ALL of them will go back to their nation.


67 posted on 01/25/2012 2:05:18 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: truthkeeper
Gingrich Mocks Romney's "Self-Deportation" Plan For Illegal Immigrants, shows no concern for 'Humanity' of illegals"

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68 posted on 01/25/2012 2:09:22 PM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: La Enchiladita

Once again YOU are wrong. I am not new to FR. Have been on this site for year. Again, what is your defense of a dumb comment made by Mitt? Newt has conservatives behind him. Tea Party folks, Reagans son, Art Laffer, Commander of Black Hawk Down, Jim Robinson...you are calling us childish?


69 posted on 01/25/2012 2:09:47 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: La Enchiladita

Make that you are wrong. I have been on FR for years! I am referring to the debate. Newt’s supporters are the true conservatives and yes, he comment was inane


70 posted on 01/25/2012 2:12:28 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: truthkeeper

There’s not a whole lot down there for them to go back to...


71 posted on 01/25/2012 2:14:48 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: katiedidit1

You need to quit while you are behind.
Or you could read the thread, because obviously you haven’t been paying attention over the years.


72 posted on 01/25/2012 2:15:06 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: katiedidit1; La Enchiladita
From Newts mouth to our ears ...

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73 posted on 01/25/2012 2:18:37 PM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: JimRed
There’s not a whole lot down there for them to go back to...

I must disagree...their FAMILIES are back there. During the fat years of the last decade they wired tremendous amounts of money home to them via Western Union and the banks.

If you were broke, wouldn't you prefer to be broke with your family rather than alone?

74 posted on 01/25/2012 2:20:45 PM PST by truthkeeper (Vote Against Barack Obama in 2012! (That's my story and I'm sticking to it.))
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To: La Enchiladita

First of all..YOU need to understand that I am referring to the Tampa Bay debate in which Mitt made his absurd comment.It is YOU that chose to ridicule the Newt supporters and call them juvenile. Spin it however you want...Mitt made a stupid comment..the end. You are unable to grasp the truth. You must be a Romney supporter


75 posted on 01/25/2012 2:21:11 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: katiedidit1
If they're no longer getting what they came here for, why wouldn't they?

If you trust them to leave voluntarily

It's about incentives, not trust. Care to actually address what I said?

and agree with Mitt

Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in a while.

76 posted on 01/25/2012 2:21:59 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: Boston Blackie

He’s playing the grandfather/grandmother card a lot these days, isn’t he?


77 posted on 01/25/2012 2:22:14 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: La Enchiladita

For the first time in my adult life I may have to sit out an election. No humanity for illegals = heartless.


78 posted on 01/25/2012 2:27:23 PM PST by Boston Blackie
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To: La Enchiladita
Self-deportation is underway as we speak, thanks to the leadership of Arizona with Alabama, Georgia and other states following with strong measures.

True, and there have been numerous threads over a couple of years lauding the efforts starting with Oklahoma which resulted in significant self-deportation (usually to other states). And those laws and results were almost universally praised by FR posters.

But, suddenly, self-deportation is one of the dumbest thoughts ever.

Actually, self-deportation as the result of actual enforcement of immigration laws (NATIONWIDE) is the best approach and would gradually solve the problem. And the illegals who came in contact the law otherwise would also be deported. That's by far the best approach and Newt's wrong on this one, and he's not helping the discussion of how to deal with illegal aliens with these remarks.

79 posted on 01/25/2012 2:27:57 PM PST by Will88
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

on acorns..you have a big stash? look, the laws on the book should be enforced but they havent been. Many illegals know how to get around the system and fake id’s are easily obtained. Have read that many have used ER’s and received care without any ids. Will the schools turn the children away? in Miami Dade County there are over 80 languages spoken..do I think they are all here legally? no? read up on the mayor from Miami...think it is in the north. He encourages Jamacians to come and even wants to give them asylum. The Supreme Court needs to rule on this and I hope in the favor of AZ and other states that are being sued.
Do you trust the govt to take away all the magnets in all the states? that is where the battle lies. My point is that Mitt made a dumb comment and I stand by that...now, I will let you go play with your acorns


80 posted on 01/25/2012 2:30:35 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Boston Blackie

#1, he’s talking to Univision.
#2, it takes a little over one minute before he invokes the name of Reagan.
LOL.


81 posted on 01/25/2012 2:32:13 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: Will88

It helped Newt in the sense that he was talking to Univision, the Spanish language TV giant....


82 posted on 01/25/2012 2:37:36 PM PST by La Enchiladita (If you believe John Edwards has a heart condition then I feel sorry for you...)
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To: katiedidit1
the laws on the book should be enforced but they havent been. Many illegals know how to get around the system and fake id’s are easily obtained. Have read that many have used ER’s and received care without any ids. Will the schools turn the children away? [...] Do you trust the govt to take away all the magnets in all the states? that is where the battle lies. My point is that Mitt made a dumb comment

At worst, he made an incomplete comment (below) - I agree there's more to incentivizing self-deportation than cutting off job access. The point is that we don't have to physically apprehend every illegal.

'“Well, the answer is self-deportation,” he responded. He said this would happen when “people decide that they could do better by going home because they can’t find work here because they don’t have legal documentation to allow them to work here.”'

83 posted on 01/25/2012 2:40:43 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Looks like we agree and yes, Mitt should have been more explicit on his comment. The audience responded with stiffled laughter.
Govt documentation has to be “fraud” proof.


84 posted on 01/25/2012 2:48:42 PM PST by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: USNBandit
Before Washington State imported illegal aliens to pick cherries and applies there were no orchards, right?

Berries ~ there are some nice machines that turn them instantly to pulp ~ which is just as saleable at the commercial use level.

85 posted on 01/25/2012 2:51:28 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: La Enchiladita
It helped Newt in the sense that he was talking to Univision, the Spanish language TV giant....

Pretty shameless pandering, and it is pretty surprising to see the idea of self-deportation being made into joke on FR where it has been praised so often in the past.

And, actually, that praise been going on even longer than I recalled. The first Oklahoma law was in 2007:

Still, many in Oklahoma say Latinos have been leaving by the thousands since the law was passed in May.

"We are losing a lot of business, a lot of business," said Antonio Perez, who owns Mexican grocery stores. "I would say between the four stores we have lost about $300,000 a month in sales."

Oklahoma targets illegal immigrants with tough new law

That Oklahoma law from late 2007 got lots of discussion and praise, but now...

It must be the political season.

86 posted on 01/25/2012 2:53:02 PM PST by Will88
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To: Utmost Certainty

True and just because someone has made money doesn’t make them conservative.


87 posted on 01/25/2012 2:55:15 PM PST by Carry me back
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To: truthkeeper

Romney claims those who hire illegals will be in trouble if they hire illegals.


88 posted on 01/25/2012 3:02:18 PM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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To: truthkeeper

“Gingrich said it was unrealistic for millions of illegal immigrants in the United States to voluntarily leave the country”

I DON’T CARE IF IT’S UNREALISTIC. GET IT DONE.


89 posted on 01/25/2012 3:18:42 PM PST by tickedoffnow (No more...)
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To: La Enchiladita; Liz

Self-deportation is underway as we speak, thanks to the leadership of Arizona with Alabama, Georgia and other states following with strong measures.
_____________________________________________

OK

so where do they all go when they leave “Arizona and Alabama” ???

Ya notice I didnt repeat “Georgia”{ cause I know the answer to that one...

From Georgia they came north into Tennessee pouring in in time to flood our schools and displace 2 of my grandchildren who already had assigned seats in Kindergarten..

and were tossed off their seats and the list just a day or 2 before school started

and their stunned parents called and told that they would have to wait at home for at least SIX WEEKS into the school year..

Until Nana called the school system and reminded them that if my grandchildren were just staying home their parents would be IN JAIL

and forthwith accept them both or I WOULD SUE

My grandchildren were quickly put back even if it did now cause an overcrowding of that classroom...

but there were other AMERICAN children who had to wait because their families just rolled over for such junk..

Rant off

Nevertheless thats not “self-deportation” when the illegal aliens just move on to another hapless state...

Is that what your Willie Mitty meant ???

HAHA they’ll just move on to another state in the US ???

What a liar...

what a fool...

What a deceiver...

LE thats not what self-deportation is all about...

Its about the illegal aliens leaving the US

and going home to their own country...

Thanks for the clarification RomneyBot...

Willie Mitty and his subterfuge again...


90 posted on 01/25/2012 3:26:18 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: All; truthkeeper
That doesn't make it any less realistic a "solution" to the total illegal immigration problem.

Newt's proposals for securing the border by a date certain, widespread eVerify, ending the war on AZ and other states will encourage "self-deportation" for a number who are here for work but it won't address those retired types here for 25 years with grandkids and deep community ties Newt talks about dealing with after everything else has been done.

Newt has a detailed, multi-stage, end-to-end plan; Romney's just pivoting and pulling in talking-points he thinks can inure himself to elements of the GOP base.

91 posted on 01/25/2012 3:45:36 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Do you have anything to support that assertion?


92 posted on 01/25/2012 3:50:55 PM PST by kabar
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To: truthkeeper
The concept of "self-deportation" isn't new and certainly wasn't invented by Romney. We've been discussing it on Free Republic immigration threads for at least 12 years.

No, it isn't, and yes, we have. And so has Newt. In the recent past, Newt has not only advocated the use of E-verify, he has proposed outsourcing it to folks who are actually good at verification:

Q: Should we make all businesses use E-Verify, a government database, to check whether or not new hires are illegal? Or would that turn small businessmen into immigration agents?

GINGRICH: Well, let me say, first of all, I think we would be better off to outsource E-Verify to American Express, MasterCard or Visa, because they actually know how to run a program like that without massive fraud. Second, the program should be as easy as swiping your credit card when you buy gasoline. And so I would ask of employers, what is it you would object to in helping the US in dealing with the problem involving illegal immigration?

Q: Would you support each state enforcing the immigration laws since the federal government is not?

GINGRICH: I strongly favor 100% control of the border, and I strongly favor English as the official language of government. I favor modernizing the legal visa system. We have a terribly antiquated legal system while our border is too open for people who are illegal.

Source: 2011 GOP Google debate in Orlando FL , Sep 22, 2011

Now, of course, the whole purpose of E-verify is to cause self-deportation. After all, if they can't work and can't collect welfare, then the only illegals able to stay would be the independently wealthy. And there are too few of those to matter.

93 posted on 01/25/2012 3:51:13 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: kabar

Romney said it himself during the debate Monday night. That’s why he’s getting ridiculed about it, because apparently he believes self-deportation alone will resolve illegal immigration issues. This is fantastical Obama-style magical thinking.


94 posted on 01/25/2012 3:53:55 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: katiedidit1
It is not funny. Did I say it was? I said it was a dumb remark by Romney!!!!! like it or not it was stupid. Do you really believe that illegals will self deport?

Mexico is Mad That Mexicans are Returning to Mexico!!!

Nine state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson In January to complain about Arizona’s new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico. It seems that many of the Mexican illegals are returning to Mexico and thats not acceptable.

Nine state legislators from the Mexican State of Sonora traveled to Tucson in January 2008 to complain about Arizona’s new employer crackdown on illegals from Mexico . It seems that many Mexican illegals are returning to their hometowns and the officials in the Sonora state government are angry about it.

The delegation of Mexican legislators from Sonora were in Tucson in January 2008 to complain that Arizona’s new Employer Sanctions Law will have a “devastating” effect on the Mexican state.

At a news conference, the legislators said that Sonora, – Arizona’s southern neighbor, – made up of mostly small towns, – cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools that it will face as Mexican workers return to their hometowns from the USA without jobs or US money.

In other words they do not want the responsibility for these people that they have expected the American taxpayer to take up. These are their own citizens and they are mad at them for coming home? One can only guess at how furious Mexican politicians are now that Arizona has passed their law requiring the enforcement of immigration laws in Arizona. But wait, What about Mexico’s immigration laws? Are they so much more lenient then ours?

Look at these current laws in Mexico Regarding immigration!

1. There will be no special bilingual programs in the schools.

2. All ballots will be in this nation’s language..

3. All government business will be conducted in our language.

4. Non-residents will NOT have the right to vote no matter how long they are here.

5. Non-citizens will NEVER be able to hold political office

6. Foreigners will not be a burden to the taxpayers. No government assistance programs will be provided for them

7. Foreigners can invest in this country, but it must be an amount at least equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage.

8. If foreigners come here and buy land… options will be restricted. Certain parcels including waterfront property are reserved for citizens naturally born into this country.

9. Foreigners may have no protests; no demonstrations, no waving of a foreign flag, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our president or his policies. These will lead to deportation.

10. If you do come to this country illegally, you will be actively hunted and when caught, sent to jail until your deportation can be arranged. Any and all assets will be taken from you.

I say, Let’s implement these same laws in our Country.I mean, after all, if it is good enough for Mexico to have these laws……….

I guess Mexico wants us to just do as they say not as they do!

95 posted on 01/25/2012 3:57:30 PM PST by kabar
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To: Tennessee Nana
so where do they all go when they leave “Arizona and Alabama” ???

That's why E-verify has to be enforced at the federal level. No work, no welfare. Let them go back to Jalisco, or wherever they came from!

96 posted on 01/25/2012 4:01:57 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: newzjunkey
...but it won't address those retired types here for 25 years with grandkids and deep community ties Newt talks about dealing with after everything else has been done.

25 years ago we had a one time amnesty. I guess these people couldn't take advantage of it (you had to be here for five years to qualify) or maybe they came right after to take advantage of a second amnesty. When you reward something, you get more of it.

When you read Newt's immigration plan, there is no mention of any time limit or whether they are grandparents or have grandkids. Strong community ties says nothing and having local communities like the sanctuary cities of LA and SF decide who can stay doesn't pass the laught test.

Why do we have to legalize the status of these lawbreakers? Why the sense of urgency and need? Let's have attrition thru enforcement and make this country so inhosptiable to illegal aliens that they will leave or live permanently in the shadows--nevermind the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets to support the McCain-Kennedy amnesty in 2007.

We have over three million intending immigrants overseas waiting to enter this country legally. Depending on their immigration category, some have been waiting for years. They have completed the paperwork, paid the fees, had the background investigations, and the physicals. What kind of message does it send to them or anyone else contemplating emigrating to the US legally when they see the lawbreakers being given the object of their crime, i.e., to stay and work here. When you reward illegal behavior, you get more of it.

I wonder how Newt and other amnesty supporters can say they are conservatives who support the Rule of Law. The lawbreakers not only entered this country illegally, they have committed may other crimes such as ID theft, working illegally, tax evasion, etc. Do we really want people who flaunt our laws and national sovereignty as permanent residents of this country.

97 posted on 01/25/2012 4:15:46 PM PST by kabar
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To: Utmost Certainty
There needs to be a plan for dealing with them.

Agreed. What's Newt's? Oh, that's right. Amnesty.

98 posted on 01/25/2012 4:18:42 PM PST by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
Self-deportation is the objective of an attritition thru enforcement plan. But Romney has not said that it is the only way it should be addressed. His public position on immigration is more comprehensive than self-deportation.

NumbersUSA gives Romney a C+ on immigration and Newt a D. Click on them and learn specifically how they rate on the issue and the sources that the ratings are based on.

99 posted on 01/25/2012 4:23:09 PM PST by kabar
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That’s why he’s getting ridiculed about it, because apparently he believes self-deportation alone will resolve illegal immigration issues. This is fantastical Obama-style magical thinking.

Okay, before I give you the full exchange from the debate transcript, I'll just mention that "fantasy" is one of Newt's favorite claims to make about the ideas of others. It's a form of belittlement. Okay, here is the exchange between Adam Smith and Mitt Romney:

Moderator

Let's stay on immigration for a second.

Governor Romney, there is one thing I'm confused about. You say you don't want to go and round up people and deport them, but you also say that they would have to go back to their home countries and then apply for citizenship. So, if you don't deport them, how do you send them home?

Mitt Romney

Well, the answer is self-deportation, which is people decide they can do better by going home because they can't find work here because they don't have legal documentation to allow them to work here. And so we're not going to round people up.

The way that we have in this society is to say, look, people who have come here legally would, under my plan, be given a transition period and the opportunity during that transition period to work here, but when that transition period was over, they would no longer have the documentation to allow them to work in this country. At that point, they can decide whether to remain or whether to return home and to apply for legal residency in the United States, get in line with everybody else. And I know people think but that's not fair to those that have come here illegally.

Moderator

Isn't that what we have now? If somebody doesn't feel they have the opportunity in America, they can go back any time they want to.

Mitt Romney

Yes, we'd have a card that indicates who's here illegally. And if people are not able to have a card, and have through an E-Verify system determine that they are here illegally, then they're going to find they can't get work here. And if people don't get work here, they're going to self-deport to a place where they can get work.

Ultimately, with this transition period in place, we would then allow people to get in line at home and to come back to this country after they have reached the front of the line. But I just don't think it's fair to the people who have loved ones waiting in line legally to come to America and say, guess what? We're going to encourage a wave of illegal immigration by giving amnesty of some kind to those who have come here illegally.

Of course, why would Newt or his supporters want to discuss the full context of Romney's comments....

100 posted on 01/26/2012 3:05:17 PM PST by La Enchiladita (Governor Jan Brewer, My Hero!! You Rock!!)
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