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Santorum Giving Up on Florida?
The Corner ^ | 1/25/2012 | Katrina Trinko

Posted on 01/25/2012 1:30:33 PM PST by TBBT

From NBC News:

Failing to show early signs of momentum in the Sunshine State, presidential hopeful Rick Santorum on Wednesday signaled he may be cutting out of Florida before the state’s Jan. 31 primary.

Speaking to reporters here, the former Pennsylvania senator said was unsure if he would be in Florida the night of the primary, committing only to campaigning in the state over the next two days. On Saturday, he’ll head home to Virginia for fundraisers and to prepare his tax records which he plans to soon make public.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: santorum; santoruminittowinit; santorumsout
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If so... Then why is he staying in the race?

Could he do a Perry after the next debate?

1 posted on 01/25/2012 1:30:35 PM PST by TBBT
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To: TBBT

If he stays in it for Florida and knows he has no chance of winning, I’d be willing to bet he’s trying to tank Gingrich and let Romney get the win.


2 posted on 01/25/2012 1:32:32 PM PST by bigdirty
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To: TBBT

Stutter much?


3 posted on 01/25/2012 1:33:02 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: TBBT

Posted it four times - give us a break.


4 posted on 01/25/2012 1:34:55 PM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Don’t ask me why?

Perhaps it has something to do with the proxy server...


5 posted on 01/25/2012 1:35:16 PM PST by TBBT
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To: bigdirty

If Santorum is not out by the end of FL with another small showing, he will be out of the race soon after.


8 posted on 01/25/2012 1:36:50 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: TBBT

Awwwww, no! I love Santorum. I’m hoping he sticks it out until after Gingrich implodes!


9 posted on 01/25/2012 1:36:49 PM PST by afraidfortherepublic
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To: TBBT

I see your stutter is improving.:>)


10 posted on 01/25/2012 1:37:16 PM PST by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: TBBT

>> Could he do a Perry after the next debate?

I could be wrong — and I pray that I am — but I believe Santorum lacks the wisdom, maturity, and character of Perry. He’ll happily pursue his selfish hopeless hope and in the process screw the team. If we’re lucky it won’t be fatal.

And don’t even get me started about Ron Paul, that sorry jackwagon.


11 posted on 01/25/2012 1:37:18 PM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: Nervous Tick
‘wisdom, maturity, and character’

What are three characteristics that Newt will never have.

12 posted on 01/25/2012 1:43:48 PM PST by edge10 (Obama lied, babies died!)
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To: bigdirty

Quote: “If he stays in it for Florida and knows he has no chance of winning, I’d be willing to bet he’s trying to tank Gingrich and let Romney get the win.”

I would like to say “no way” but then again, there is a certain Arlen Specter hanging over Mr. Santorum when it comes to supporting lefty Republicans.


13 posted on 01/25/2012 1:45:06 PM PST by FlipWilson
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To: TBBT

Perhaps it has something to do with the proxy server...


Perhaps it has something to do with the device you are posting from..........


14 posted on 01/25/2012 1:48:29 PM PST by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: TBBT

Can someone explain to me why Santorum is not catching on? His candidacy reminds me of Huckabee, but Huckabee did much better than Rick S. is doing.


15 posted on 01/25/2012 1:51:37 PM PST by Mangia E Statti Zitto
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To: bigdirty

I read an article today (Here, I think) that says Santorum’s supporters will turn to Gingrich and not to Romney.


16 posted on 01/25/2012 1:51:57 PM PST by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: FlipWilson

I’d understand if Santorum withdrew and didn’t endorse anyone, but if he openly backs Romney then he’ll be exposed as an establishment Republican. And his claims that he regrets having supported Specter over Toomey will be shown to have just been political face saving.


17 posted on 01/25/2012 1:53:50 PM PST by littleharbour
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To: TBBT

Santorum is simply waiting (and hoping) for a Gingrich collapse and withdrawal from the race. In this extremely unlikely scenario, Santorum would pick up all of the Gingrich votes and would cruise to victory over Romney.

Not going to happen Rick. Time for you to bail.


18 posted on 01/25/2012 1:54:23 PM PST by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: bigdirty
If he stays in it for Florida and knows he has no chance of winning, I’d be willing to bet he’s trying to tank Gingrich and let Romney get the win.

Throughout his career and the primary Santorum has acted favorably to the establishment's cause at election time. If Romney's that cause, that's where his loyalty will go even if he doesn't openly endorse.

If Santorum is skipping FL and moving on to VA, where he lives and isn't on the ballot, under some claim he'll release tax records he apparently can't trust his wife with ... it sends a signal.

19 posted on 01/25/2012 2:00:48 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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To: TBBT

I’m guessing Santorum is running out of money and can’t really afford to campaign. So he’s basically suspending for now and seeing which side will buy him.


20 posted on 01/25/2012 2:02:27 PM PST by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Nervous Tick
As a Santorum supporter, I find your characterization of him as unwise, immature, and selfish warms my heart to Newt's cause. I swear candidates must win in spite of some of the people that claim to support them.
21 posted on 01/25/2012 2:03:15 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
Santorum is everybody's second choice. The Newt and Mitt show have dominated the fight for attention. Newt figured out that smacking down the enemedia was a winning strategy.

Unfortunately, he now seems to think pandering to the illegal alien lobby is also a winning strategy.

22 posted on 01/25/2012 2:04:24 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: TBBT

I hope Rick will be staying...I hope IF he does drop out he’ll endorse Newt and Newt selects him as his VP


23 posted on 01/25/2012 2:05:09 PM PST by ExCTCitizen (If we stay home in November '12, don't blame 0 for tearing up the CONSTITUTION!!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
Can someone explain to me why Santorum is not catching on?>

Yep, one word: Charisma.

No matter how gone one's message is, if one does not have Charisma, they cannot move crowds or stir the hopes of people. It's that simple. Reagan had it in abundance. Sarah has it. Newt has it to a degree.

24 posted on 01/25/2012 2:06:15 PM PST by sand88 (Hey Rove et al, I will, with great pleasure, NOT cast a vote for the Statist Mitt.)
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To: TBBT
I would think Santorum is trying to cut a deal with Mitt and Newt. I know his people have been talking to Newt. If he has any sense, he should be talking to Mitt as well to get the best possible deal. It is a tricky waiting game. If Mitt completely implodes, then he has no leverage in a deal with Newt. At the same time he has told his lip somewhat with both Mitt and Newt. That sort of neuters Santorum’s campaign rhetoric.
25 posted on 01/25/2012 2:06:49 PM PST by ConservativeInPA (Maxine, I'll see you there. I'm not changing my ways.)
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To: sand88

gone = strong


26 posted on 01/25/2012 2:06:49 PM PST by sand88 (Hey Rove et al, I will, with great pleasure, NOT cast a vote for the Statist Mitt.)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
Watch the debates.

One top of his embrace of W's big government and interventionist foreign meddling, Santorum is the most unlikeable candidate in the room: whiny, petulant, needy not unlike a certain senator in the White House now.

He's often been described by other freepers as a yippee dog hoping for the adults to drop some food scraps.

He'd bring back the worst of W without his executive experience or personal charm. That's why he's not catching on.

27 posted on 01/25/2012 2:07:22 PM PST by newzjunkey (a FL win returns Romney to the "inevitability" path.)
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To: TBBT

This can only help Newt in FL. If he drops out, even better. National polls tell us this is between Mitt and Newt. If Newt gets in, I’m sure he’ll have Santorum on his team.


28 posted on 01/25/2012 2:07:41 PM PST by larryleo (We all need to get Newtered!)
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To: throwback

I don’t agree with that take on Santorum and I’m strongly pro-Newt. I also find it inconceivable that Santorum will endorse Romney unless Romney becomes the nominee. Santorum has no future with Romney. The gulf on social conservativism (i.e. people who believe their religions and people who just follow it for show) is the single greatest dividing line in the party and only getting wider and wider as time goes on. And it is the social liberals who are causing the divide by hating social conservatives. Romney would have no room for Santorum in his adminstration. Newt and Santorum clearly have a long, positive relationship and can easily mend the minor wounds of this campaign. Santorum would have to endorse Newt if only because he might be picked by Newt for V.P. or another job, but he never would be by Romney. And I don’t blame him staying in the campaign. It is about time where he can see the tea leaves are not going to turn for him and this sounds like preparation for pulling out.


29 posted on 01/25/2012 2:12:32 PM PST by JediJones (Newt-er Romney in 2012!)
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To: ExCTCitizen
I hope IF he does drop out he’ll endorse Newt and Newt selects him as his VP

Not me


30 posted on 01/25/2012 2:13:13 PM PST by houeto
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To: bigdirty

The whole worlds out to get Newt, isn’t it?


31 posted on 01/25/2012 2:15:30 PM PST by PjhCPA (They all suck. Rick sucks the least.)
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To: Nervous Tick
...but I believe Santorum lacks the wisdom, maturity, and character of Perry...

...or perhaps he is more savy that you can fathom. He has two things that Newt Gingrich needs to wrap this election up:
(1) 10% of the GOP
(2) Pennsylvania

Mr. Gingrich could stop all the in-fighting and save a ton of cash AND knock Romney out of the race with a simple agreement: A Santorum VP slot for a Gingrich endorsement

32 posted on 01/25/2012 2:15:34 PM PST by kidd
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To: TBBT

Home is Virginia, where Rick wouldn’t be able to vote for himself during the Virginia GOP Presidential Primary.


33 posted on 01/25/2012 2:16:58 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: FlipWilson; bigdirty; TBBT

“I would like to say “no way” but then again, there is a certain Arlen Specter hanging over Mr. Santorum when it comes to supporting lefty Republicans.”


That’s right, and Santorum went out of his way to support DIABLO Dede Scozzafava (who made Arlen Specter seem like Jesse Helms by comparison) in the NY-23 special election when virtually every conservative group in NY and the nation decried how she was handpicked by RINO political hacks to be the GOP nominee, and doubled-down to reiterate his support for her even after polls showed Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman running neck-and-neck with Democrat Bill Owens while “Republican” was barely in double digits. Oh, wait . . . .

Yes, Rick Santorum made a huge mistake when he endorsed Specter over Pat Toomey in the GOP Senate primary, and I was as upset about that as anyone. This is the text of a letter I e-mailed Senator Santorum back then:

“Dear Senator Santorum:

Let me begin by saying that I am not a resident of Pennsylvania, so I am not technically your constituent. But as a member of the Republican leadership in the Senate, you represent Republicans throughout the nation, and as such I feel at the liberty to drop you this friendly note.

I am an active participant in the conservative movement, and regularly mention your name not only as an example of the type of leadership, platform and voting record Republicans need to get elected in competitive states and districts, but also as my preferred candidate for President in 2008. I defended you when you were unfairly attacked for your foresighted criticism of the pro-sodomy arguments in the Lawrence case, and I am certainly proud to have someone like you in the Senate to speak out and act on issues near and dear to me, such as opposition to abortion and judicial activism and support for tax relief and national defense. But I am at a loss for words when someone asks me why you are actively supporting the reelection of Senator Arlen Specter, who disagrees with us in every single one of those important issues.

I know that tradition dictates that incumbent Senators not oppose the reelection of their colleagues from the same party, especially when they represent the same state. And as Republican Conference Chairman, it would be unbecoming for you to actively campaign for the defeat of a Republican colleague. But is it really necessary for you to run commercials supporting Arlen Specter’s candidacy when he is running against Congressman Pat Toomey, a true conservative Republican from a blue-collar Democrat district (just like a certain Congressman Santorum from a decade ago) who can lead the party to a statewide victory?

I am especially disheartened by your claim that Arlen Specter votes with conservatives “on votes that matter.” When the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban, which you had been fighting for years to pass, got to the floor last year, it was nearly derailed by a sham substitute amendment by Dick Durbin that would not have prohibited a single abortion so long as the doctor stated that the mother’s health (including mental health) may be in danger. You know better than I that passage of the substitute amendment would have signaled the defeat of the PBA ban, and would have been a major setback in the pro-life movement. I remember that you spoke eloquently on the Senate floor as to why the sham substitute had to be defeated, and that the only way to end that heinous practice was to vote against Durbin’s substitute amendment. Wouldn’t you call that a “vote that matters”? I sure do. And, in case you’ve forgotten, Arlen Specter voted in favor of Durbin’s sham substitute, and the only reason it failed was because a few Democrat Senators, most of whom were up for reelection in 2004, voted against the amendment. Arlen Specter can only fool ignorant pro-lifers into believing that he supported the PBA ban, since he voted for its final passage, the results of which were a foregone conclusion. (Why, even Tom Daschle voted for the final bill! I hope that, in his Senate race against John Thune, Daschle doesn’t run ads saying that he supported President Bush’s agenda “on votes that matter.”) But most pro-lifers are not that ignorant, and we will not support someone like Arlen Specter for reelection.

I could go on for paragraphs about Specter’s voting record, the dangers posed by someone as unreliable as him serving as chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee (had Specter not opposed Robert Bork’s nomination to the Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade would have been overturned in Planned Parenthood v. Casey back in 1992, which would have saved millions of lives), the fact that Governor Rendell would name Specter’s replacement in case he can’t serve out his entire six-year term, and how Specter’s proven inability to attract votes from blue-collar Democrats in the Pittsburgh area and in the “T,” not to mention the fact that he cannot rally the conservative base, will make him more vulnerable to a challenge from Congressman Hoeffel (who will not allow Specter to win by his usual margins in the Philly metro area) than would Pat Toomey (who would defeat Hoeffel by winning votes from pro-life, pro-gun, pro-defense Democrats, the group that gave you two House victories and two Senate victories), but I know that you already know all of that. My plea to you is that you think about these things, and reconsider your participation in an active campaign to defeat Pat Toomey in the GOP primary. If, God forbid, Specter defeats Toomey, then it would certainly be acceptable for you to campaign actively for Specter’s reelection. But now is not the time to go wobbly.

I hope that you receive this note in the spirit with which it was intended, and that, after meditation and prayer, you do the right thing.

Sincerely yours in Christ,”

So, irrespective of how Rick Santorum was pressured by President Bush and by PA Republicans to be “congenial” and “support the incumbent” who “would keep the seat safe,” I will not defend Rick Santorum’s cowardly endorsement of RINO Arlen Specter in 2004. But that being said, Newt Gingrich’s full-throated endorsement of DIABLO Dede Scozzafava (compared to whom Specter voted like Jesse Helms) in the 2009 special election, and doubling-down after it became clear that Conservative Party nominee Doug Hoffman (i) was far, far more conservative than her and (ii) had an exponentially better chance of defeating Democrat Bill Owens, was a million times worse by any objective standard.

That being said, I would never accuse Newt Gingrich of being a RINO, much less of trying to tank a primary so that a liberal such as Mitt Romney could win. Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum are both conservatives, but they are also human and thus sinners (as we all are), and they’ve made mistakes in the past (as we all have). Gingrich and Santorum are both trying to achieve the same thing—become the GOP nominee for president—and they both want to earn the nomination for the same reasons: because they believe in their hearts that they would be the best possible conservative standardbearer to defeat Obama in the general election. They are not running to sell books or try to get VP or Cabinet appointments. It is disgraceful for a conservative to get so embroiled in the primary horserace that he or she throws around such accusations about people who have been fighting for conservative values for decades.


34 posted on 01/25/2012 2:16:58 PM PST by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
As I recall it was Newt who came out in favor of Scozafazza.

I did not know that Santorum did also... are you sure ?

I do recall President Bush and Senator Santorum backing Spector over Toomey ... made me sick.

35 posted on 01/25/2012 2:21:32 PM PST by thedrake
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To: houeto

I don’t think the country can handle that much “straight talk”. But I would certainly like it.


36 posted on 01/25/2012 2:26:15 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (The damage is too extensive. Burn it down and start over.)
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To: TBBT

Rick will be going home because he’s out of money. He’s not going to raise any money coming in third or fourth in Fl. He’s done.


37 posted on 01/25/2012 2:27:23 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: newzjunkey
From "Reckless Endangerment" citing an event in 1995:

There to celebrate the Fannie Mae commitment was none other than Newt Gingrich, the Georgia Republican who was Speaker of the House of Representatives and a big proponent of reducing government's size.

"Fannie Mae is an excellent example of a former government institution fulfilling its mandate while functioning in the market economy," Gingrich crowed, not quite accurately, for there was nothing "former" about Fannie Mae's government status.

Be careful chucking those rocks at all the other big government candidates in the race. One of them is likely to hit Newt square in the back of the head.

38 posted on 01/25/2012 2:29:58 PM PST by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: throwback

Haven’t candidates sat out a state’s primary before?


39 posted on 01/25/2012 2:33:38 PM PST by Leep (It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

——Can someone explain to me why Santorum is not catching on?-——

Because is a loser.

He is a great conservative but is not percieved as someone who can win.


40 posted on 01/25/2012 2:35:00 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: TBBT; reaganaut

Let’s not forget the extremely pro-Romney nature of Katrina Trinko’s reporting for National Review.

The truth is that as people feel less pressured to vote for the leading anti-Romney, the more votes will go to the others. Santorum will surely pick up in the polls as Romney drops to his usual 20%. Ron Paul will stay at his 10%. Perry is gone. That leaves 70% to be divided between Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum: Newt could win 49% and Rick would still beat Mitt.

Santorum can still do well enough to continue, and maybe earn the VP slot.


41 posted on 01/25/2012 2:40:50 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto

Rick Santorum has never been popular. Iowa was rigged (because Paul had a chance of winning, and thus losing Iowa the “First in nation” status, the state repubs were actively turning people to Romney or Santorum. Obviously they went to Santorum, because of the “Not-Romney” segment.) Understanding that Santorum never was popular (and never will be) popular is the first step to understanding why has no chance at the nomination. People don’t like him. And I would posit, that he doesn’t like people either.

His vapid petulence coupled with his hatred of freedom keep him in his constant snide and condescending demeanor. He has no “Charisma” as another poster put it, because he has no love of people. Oh, he says he does, but from all his actions, you can easily see he wants to control people, for their own good, of course. Santorum has no enthusiasm, so he has to get himself angry to sound passionate. This further turns people off. Santorum has been at the very bottom of the pack (of those still running) with the exception of Iowa (rigged), and South Carolina, where Paul obviously would do even worse than he has because of demographics.

Of all the candidates left, Santorum has the least loyalty of voters towards him. And with good reason. His state didn’t even support him and booted him out. No one else wants him nor his pseudo-Cathlo-wahabi-ism either. He’s most likely a stalking horse for Romney, to keep the nomination from Newt. Time will tell.


42 posted on 01/25/2012 2:44:16 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: TBBT

He’s staying in for the same reason much of the country is watching: to see if, when, and how soon Gingrich next implodes.

Santorum is a good man, a dependable and fairly dull man, standing in the middle of a three-ring circus.


43 posted on 01/25/2012 2:44:35 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: TBBT

Florida is a toss up state that borders the GingrichLand with lots of East Coast Retireees who will vote for Romney. Candidates has left states before. I doubt this campaign will be settled by Floriday and I hope this campaign doesn’t come down to a climate change believer vs. an amnesty supporter by Super Tuesday!


44 posted on 01/25/2012 2:44:38 PM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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To: bert

Like Romney, but without the bank account.


45 posted on 01/25/2012 2:46:40 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: TBBT

I hope Santorum does not drop out in Florida.

He should have a little more faith in himself and in the prolife people of Florida.

I know he’s short on cash, but he should let the process play itself out.

More choices for more people.


46 posted on 01/25/2012 2:48:51 PM PST by Warthog-2 (Character Counts)
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To: JediJones

That’s where a lot of us stand!

Join us, Rick! Don’t hurt us!

Give us a reason to call for Gingrich/Santorum 2012!


47 posted on 01/25/2012 2:50:39 PM PST by TitansAFC (Next time, GOP Establishment, back someone who isn't totally despised by the grassroots!)
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To: bert

Santorum is NOT a conservative. Conservatives (in the political definition) uphold the Constitution (”conserve it”, the origin of the term). Santorum does not. In fairness only one candidate is a true conservative, but also has whacky, dangerous ideas. Conservativism allows for whacky, and even stupid, ideas, just because you’re “Conservative” doens’t mean you’re right. It means you uphold Constitution boundaries, which by no means prevent someone from making errors. In fact, they specifically allow for them.

There are no “Good” candidates in this race, just some more (or less) acceptable than others.

I think Newt is growning more conservative, but it could be a political ploy. I don’t think so, but I also know that he’s no bastion of conservativism either. However, Obama WILL destroy the country if he stays in office another term. Gingrich would be a better choice than that.


48 posted on 01/25/2012 2:51:01 PM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: kidd
A Santorum VP slot for a Gingrich endorsement

I could live with that.

49 posted on 01/25/2012 2:51:27 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Virginia GOP: Romney's favorite butt boys)
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To: Mangia E Statti Zitto
Can someone explain to me why Santorum is not catching on? His candidacy reminds me of Huckabee, but Huckabee did much better than Rick S. is doing.

Huckabee did a better job of hiding his Big Government (per)version of "conservatism".

50 posted on 01/25/2012 2:54:51 PM PST by transducer
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