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Posted on 01/26/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by RaceBannon
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The obvious question, though, is why Obama isn’t using a valid social security number if his documentation is all in line as he claims. So it is relevant, particularly given that Obama has not submitted any LEGAL evidence for any of his claims. If Obama had submitted a genuine legally-certified birth certificate from Hawaii THEN the social security issue would be irrelevant to the discussion of eligibility, but because he has given absolutely NO evidence for his birth claims all we can discuss is whether his claims are credible given what we CAN know. And the fraud surrounding all his other documents makes all his claims non-credible at this point.
“The media needs to ask why one of those alleged birth certificates was not submitted in his defense. Is it a tacit admission that the claims of forgery might be true??”
Questioning Barry’s eligibility status would put the reluctant media into the position of having to listen to answers. Listening to answers might lead to more questions, which might lead to disaffection - which would lead to media members having to dismantle the Obieshrines they’ve set up on their desks. That possibility is too harsh for them to contemplate. They cannot bear the thought of admitting their Obieshrines should have been erected in the office mens’/ladies’ rooms. Continuing to kiss the One’s asterisk in such surroundings even they would consider distasteful - but too many, continue they would. Liberals/marxists/communists don’t ordinarily recognize a need for self-reflection. Kind of like daylight to vampires.
They aren’t stupid. They know full well Obama is a fake. They don’t care. He’s doing to our blessed country exactly what they want him to do. Simple as that. We are literally enmeshed in an intellectual war over the continued existance of the soul of America: the Constitution.
Fortunately, there are people like you and so many other FReepers willing to stand on the front line. Every day you all bring tears of appreciation to my aged eyes.
It can be MADE relevant, but you have to “show relevance” in order to go off on a tangent in a court. In an ACTUAL trial with a defense counsel, It would have taken several days, and she could have presented the evidence relating to the social security number at that time, but in a hearing during which the judge has already explained that he will enter a default judgement, it is simply trying the judge’s patience to listen to all that side stuff.
I will point out that the judge kept hurrying her along.
Well, another thing this whole situation show is HOW deep into our system the enemy are embedded.. It took them around 6 months to scrub any relevant info they could find on and off of the net to be able to secure him in a position of power that, whether the rest of the world wants to admit or not, is the most powerful in the world.
Now look what we have in control.. and look where that got not only us, but many of the conflicts around the world >.<
He (and whatever group that is supporting him) appears to be out to destroy any freedom in the world. The situation is looking more grim worldwide by the day.
I am so happy that you decided to become a member here, and I highly respect all of the work and research you have done and brought it all to our attention.
Never give up, and PLEASE stay safe :)
“That is the Constitution at it’s core in the Articles concerning the Presidency. 49 states can state a fraud can be President in their super majority, but if one state demands proof and the candidate does not provide that legal proof, the one state in checks and balances can negate a national Presidential Election. There is no court nor Supreme Court which can undo this. “
This makes total sense to me. Hence my question. In the case Georgia does not put Obama on its ballot, can the Democratic Party take this to the Supreme Court? Mike Berlon indicated that this is what they will, in fact, do. I am asking a naive question (not being a Constitution expert of a Law scholar): is it possible for the Supreme Court to issue ruling on what Georgia should do? Doesn’t the idea of having 50 states have to do with each state having some degree of autonomy? And that means that federal government cannot force individual states to do certain things. And one of those things it should not be able to force them to do is choose presidential candidates. The states should have autonomy in ratifying candidates, to the best of my understanding. Am I wrong? To my mind, forcing a candidate on a state is a totalitarian thing to do, which negates any kind of state autonomy.
De novo means the appeals court will review NOT the “findings of facts” (the evidence) placed in the record by the trial court, but ONLY the “conclusions of law” to those facts, unless there was error associated with the facts.
But the none of the BC and paternity, and BHO Sr. facts pertaining to the NBC issue are disputed by Barry, only Orly's forgery and SS# fraud facts. The appeals court will not touch the evidence that confirms the identity and Kenyan citizenship of the claimed biological father of Barry.
The key “finding of fact” that BHO Sr. was NOT EVER a US citizen was established using INS documents obtained by FOIA request and testified to by the person who obtained the INS docs, writings in Dreams claimed to have been written by Barry, and by non-original, non-certified copies of images of Barry's COLB and LFBC that Barry himself claims to be genuine.
Also placed into evidence are images of the HI divorce record which is available to the public which establish that an HI court confirmed BHO Sr was Barry's father. This means that the BC images do not have to be genuine to establish that fact, especially since these images are uncontested by Barry (both by default and in public declarations).
The INS FOIA records corroborate that BHO Sr. is Barry's biological if not legal father due to explicitly suspected bigamy. The suspected bigamy is on the record in the INS docs.
I am absolutely certain that NONE of these findings of fact entered into evidence will be disputed in any appeal.
IMO, ONLY the “conclusions of law” that Barry is constitutionally ineligible under MvH due to NOT having “parents who are citizens” (parents plural) will be reviewed in any appeal of a GA SOS removal of Barry due to ineligibiliity.
Now that the plaintiffs appear to have won their default judgment, they must get Malihi so sign a ruling/decision/recommendation. The plaintiffs must each submit to the court separate drafts of the “findings of fact and conclusions of law” for their own hearing that the attorneys propose that the judge sign. We haven't seen those, but I am sure that Orly's will be very entertaining and may need to undergo several re-writes under direction of the judge.
“I am looking at this like a chess match”
You are absolutely right about that. The decision not to show up and put on a defense were political and legal decisions. And they have nothing to do with whether the BC is fake or real.
As to the question of electors. Newt Gingrich will not be on the Primary Ballot in Virginia, that doesn’t mean he won’t be on the general election ballot in November (should he win the nomination, which is entirely possible).
So are you say Gingrich won’t be on the General Elelction ballot in Virginia?
That is a related issue, and to my knowledge he ISN'T going to appear on the ballot in Virginia.
Really? So if the BC is not real who would enter it into evidence risking fraud on the court? And If it was entered then other parties would have the opportunity to see the original, once and for all.
The president, Barry No Show Soetoro Obama, has set a precedent that he is unwilling and unable to prove he is eligible for office and to be on the ballots. Time to challenge him in all 57 states.
And an OCON from the DNC Chair is NOT going to cut it this time around...
From my post:
“Nonappearance by the defense is based, of course, on the assertion that because the SOS lacks statutory authority to determine the candidates eligibility, the hearing officer lacked subject matter jurisdiction - suggesting the defense thought the hearing was a kangaroo court.”
“Au contraire. Nonappearance by the candidate and his counsel is based, of course, on the fact that they have no legal documents from Hawaii indicating that a Barack Hussein Obama II was born on August 4, 1961. Further, none of these participants wanted to enter false testimony into the hearing as evidence...so easy even a caveman could understand it.
Other states sure to follow...bye bye Bari.”
What you say is most likely true, Mike, but it goes to a separate level in the analysis. We agree, the defense must avoid any forum that deals with birth document exhibits. The larger question is how does it avoid such a forum?
To accomplish this in GA, defense relies on GA case law and GA statutes that - it contends - support its assertion the SOS does not have the statutory authority to determine, by reference to eligibility, who shall or shall not appear on GA’s ballot.
If defense is confident of its legal argument, it will go to court if denied ballot access. If so, and the SOS does not have an argument that overcomes defense’s legal argument, O should be on the GA ballot. You and I may not like it, but that will be the result if SOS does not have authority (see NH).
We may have to hope one or more other state has provided its SOSs with sufficient authority and has the political will go press the issue. Or, we may have to rely on the January, 2013 Joint Session of Congress for resolution of this national scam. The scam, at a minimum, is the ongoing nondisclosure and non-investigation of a high public officials eligibility.
(Since we are on the same team, how about dropping the caveman crap.)
“I dunno if anybody reported this, but the funniest thing I saw this morning was when Orly started pontificating about some documents and the judge asked her if she wanted to testify or ask questions. She said she would testify. So the judge asked her if she had personal knowledge of the veracity of the documents in question. She said, ‘I'll verify that I downloaded them!!!’”
IMO, this is the same level of representation made by the NON-Orly plaintiffs. They downloaded the BCs. Barry never disputed them and is not there to examine the downloaded image or cross-examine the custodian of the downloaded image. The downloaded BCs are ONLY what Orly and the other plaintiffs said: downloads.
So many Fogbow heads are exploding after the coward Obama let them down that it looks like Chinese New Year’s.
Each one of you (and I trust you know who you are) have been offering up articulate, informative, well sourced and equally well researched postings, allowing those of us with lesser skills to reap the extremely good work(s.)
This is one of but many fine posts with which each of you have been associated, covering nascent topics that truly matter to the survival of this great nation.
I sincerely thank each one of you for the pleasure of your good company.
Interesting. Did Malihi ask the plaintiffs for the other 2 cases whether they had personal knowledge of the veracity of the documents they submitted?
Is there a transcript of the hearing somewhere, that you know of?
Also, does the summary judgment have to come after Feb 5, so that everybody has time to submit anything additional? If so, would that allow Obama to still submit what Guthrie photographed, without having to answer questions about chain of custody?
Thanks! You're getting me all choked up.
I'm still working my way through the Fogbow lawyer's analysis. Now they are pointing out that if GA SOS Kemp kicks out Barry for not being NBC under MvH, then Rubio won't qualify as VP in GA and this will cause a GOP firestorm. Sadly, BOTH Mitt and Newt were pandering to the FL Hispanics buy insinuating that Rubio was at or near the top of their lists for VP.
>>> Sadly, BOTH Mitt and Newt were pandering to the FL Hispanics buy insinuating that Rubio was at or near the top of their lists for VP. <<<
Here's someone they can draft for Vice President without having to pander to them ethnic folk-
KNOCK! KNOCK! KNOCK!
1600 PENNSYLVANIA AVENUE!
I agree. I think it is a non-issue at this stage of the game.
Just talked to the Boss and he is “thrilled” Van Irion got the Judge to admit a printout of the COLB and Long form BC. He told me to make sure Orly does not become aware of Georgia Administrative law rules 8-1-2.18 ...
(e) documentary evidence in the form of copies if the original is not readily available, if its use would unduly disrupt the records of the possessor of the original, or by agreement of the parties. Upon request, parties shall have an opportunity to compare the copy with the original.
The Boss is adamant about this. Do not let Orly compare the website images with the Original in Hawai’i DoH.
Who is “the Boss”? Is this your comment, or are you copying it from somewhere else?
Lucy, The judge did say he would enter into a default judgement. But from reading Carl’s statement there was no mention of which way it would go. But I could have missed that part. I will go back and read more.
The rumors are coming from WND http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/georgia-court-told-obama-slam-dunk-disqualified/
Judge Malihi talked to the attorneys in chambers before the hearing this morning and told them that he was going to enter a DEFAULT JUDGMENT against Obama and recommend that Obama’s name not be on the Georgia ballot!
Good article from American Thinker...
Georgia Ballot Challenge: Obama Walks On By
“The SCOTUS opinion mentions in dicta, or conversation about the case, a native born with two citizen parents is undoubtedly a Natural-born citizen. It also states there are other scenarios where a person would be considered a Natural-born citizen, but the Court chose not to address the specific issues.”
Boy where to start? Your synopsis is incorrect from the get go, and makes statements the court never said. Either you lack reading skills or you are spreading disinformation for the purposes of advancing an agenda.......
The case is about citizenship, and a citizens right’s, not Natural Born Citizenship. In the decision the court stated that those born in the country to citizen parents, the so called natives or Natural Born Citizens, were never doubted to be citizens. The plantiff Minor was so born..... The court further stated that courts were in disagreement as to whether persons born under circumstances other than NBC, were citizens at all. They left the determination to that question of citizenship to later courts as the answer was not relevant to the case at hand.
Article II of the Constitution requires that Presidents meet the NBC standard...that is.....Born in country to citizen parents......it is the only area in American law where the circumstance of being born a Natural Born Citizen matters.
Going by the law, how would the use of one of TWO copies of the “original” disrupt Obama’s records?? Are we worried about disrupting the one that was used for forging??
Shouldn’t there be some sort of link with that post? Apart from that, I don’t think the Obot lawyers are as smart as they think they are.
thanks for the kind words.
Tongue in cheek commentary, maybe?
Maybe so. Maybe I need to take a chill pill; a lot going on.
The other 56 states may or may not have citizen challenges as did GA. I imagine that if other states begin a presidential candidate vetting investigation and a judge similarly subpoenas documents as Malihi did, Obama will again be given the chance to respond. If he does not, I suspect similar evidence will be read into their records as happened in GA.
Team Barry seems to have telegraphed they will challenge a GA SoS decision to keep Barry off the ballot(s). Note that it is not symantics (sic) whether Barry is being removed or he wouldn't be placed. He wouldn't be placed (unless ballots have already been printed). That is, the burden is for the candidates or their representatives to enter into the official, examinable record that they are qualified. In light of GA's Administrative process, it should no longer suffice against a challenge that 1) Barry was supposedly vetted in 2008, 2) is serving now, or 3) Pelousy or someone else can somehow vouch for unexamined credentials.
I don't agree with the idea that all bets are off if Barry completes a first term, that the precedent will have been set, other than potential litigants will have missed two passes to take a bite of the apple, almost entirely due to lack of standing. The current GA example has found the chink in the armor where a citizen challenge had standing and went to a court with competent jurisdiction Once Team Barry appears on "all" the ballots without successful challenge or vetting, other tried avenues will have been exhausted.
Other than a corrupt process, I don't see how Team Barry can overcome a GA SoS determination that they did not provide the lawfully requested information that their candidate was Constitutionally qualified at least as it would be common to the other states.
So all you potential litigants out there in each of the other 56 states, please have at it!
One of my earliest childhood memories is of my parents talking about Nixon and the Watergate scandal. I remember the newspaper headline: Nixon Resigns! President Nixons fight against court subpoenas made international news. Yesterday President Obama completely ignored a court subpoena, and the world shrugged.
Obamas behavior yesterday is even more disturbing than Nixons. Nixon at least respected the judicial branch enough to have his attorneys show up in court and follow procedure. Nixons fight in the courts followed existing law. Nixon acknowledged the authority of the judicial branch even while he fought it. Obama, on the other hand, essentially said yesterday that the judicial branch has no power over him. He ordered his attorneys to stay away from the hearing. He didnt petition a higher court in a legitimate attempt to stay the hearing. Instead he showed complete contempt for the entire judicial branch and for the rule of law. Rather than respecting the legal process, Obama went around the courts and tried to put political pressure directly on the Georgia Secretary of State. When that failed, he simply ignored the judicial branch completely.
The rule of law, and our three-branch system of government, now hang in the balance. If the Georgia court issues a ruling on the merits and an order finding Obama in contempt of court, and if that contempt order actually results in real punishment of some kind, then we will still have a Constitutional Republic. If this doesnt happen, then Obama will have been rewarded for showing complete contempt for the judicial branch.
Understand that the goal of the Georgia ballot challenge was to have a court rule on the merits of the Constitutional question: Does the term natural born citizen in Article II of the Constitution require a Presidential candidate to have two parents that were U.S. citizens at the time the candidate was born? Obama wants to avoid having a court rule on this question. That is why he didnt show up and ordered his attorneys to not show up. Obama was hoping that the Georgia court would enter a default judgment rather than rule on the merits. If the court enters a default judgment, Obama will have succeeded in avoiding the Constitutional eligibility question. He will then appeal the default judgment, get the appellate court to suspend the default judgment pending appeal, and then delay the appeal until after the primary. This is undoubtedly Obamas plan.
If the Georgia Court rules that Supreme Court precedent must be followed and therefore Obama simply does not meet the minimum Constitutional requirements to hold the office of President, then we will at least have succeeded in finding one court in the nation willing to do its job. If that court finds Obama in contempt of court, then we still have three viable branches of government. The Georgia court has the authority to do both of these things. The world should be holding its breath.
Unfortunately the world is apparently unaware that our great Republic is on life support. The Roman Empire died a slow death. Its death was so gradual that few people living at that time probably noticed the individual events that marked the death throes of that great empire. Apparently the same is true of America. Yesterday marked a stunning turn of events in the constant power struggle between the three branches of our government. Our President openly showed that he believes he is completely above the law. I wonder if the court even noticed its own death certificate. We will see in a few days.
I will certainly try to explain this to the court in our proposed findings of fact and law that the court requested we file before February 5th. Please pray with me that Judge Malihi rules on the merits of our case.
All of your encouragement and prayers have been greatly appreciated. They are needed even more over the next few weeks. This battle is FAR from over. And it has taken on importance beyond what we predicted (which is truly astounding). Please tell everyone you know about Obamas contempt of the judicial branch. Please explain to them what it really means. Even those that agree with Obama politically and disagree with our ballot challenge should be shocked, appalled, and scared of Obamas contempt for the judicial system.
Yeah, dat Sven be tryin'a mess witcha, schveedy!
Pays him no mind.
Quoting Obama directly from the State of the Union Address...
"The executive branch also needs to change.
Thats why Ive asked this Congress to grant me the authority to consolidate the federal bureaucracy so that our Government is leaner, quicker, and more responsive to the needs of the American people."
Not only above the law, he wants to BE the law.
"needs of the American People" my azz.
Quite the little dictator, eh?
I can’t find supporting information that claim other than in a blog post with no links.
Missed the FWIW.
Care to speculate on who the Boss is?
Seems to be a less than clever (juvenile) reverse psychology bait to get Orly to do just exactly what they are trying to prevent Orly from doing in the use of subject verbiage.
I just read this on Orly’s site:
Important update! Judge Malihi expedites the date for post trial motions. Moves it from February 5th to February 1st, will issue his ruling shortly thereafter
Posted on | January 27, 2012 | No Comments
Judge Malihi shortened the time to file any post trial trial pleadings. He moved the date from February 5th to February 1. He will issue his ruling shortly thereafter. I believe, he will issue his ruling by the end of the day on February 1 or on February 2 at the latest. I believe Brian Kemp, the Secretary of State of GA, will announce on February 2 or 3rd whether Barack Hussein Obamas name will be allowed on the ballot in the state of GA as an eligible Presidential candidate.
Ping to 1090
The first author emphasizes the context of the matter: Under Georgia law the determination of whether or not Obama's name will appear on the Georgia ballot ultimately rests with the Secretary. I.e., the hearing officers written judgment is advisory only (but we knew that).
From the second author: The irony of this course is that Obama is declaring that the court has no Jurisdiction in this matter and will appeal as a matter of law though these damning facts may very well stand!
IMO, there is little irony involved. The defense has avoided the forum and may well prevail on the issue - great game plan!
As far as admitted evidence now being a matter of record (presumably for use in a higher court of law), that would seem to turn on whether the OSAH hearing was competent to hear a dispute over a candidates eligibility. If the defense is correct, the SOSs determination may not include an examination of the candidates eligibility. Thus, there is a question of whether the hearing was properly convened.
I am not throwing in the towel yet, but if we easily lose in GA I will be pist that the litigators did not do a better job at forum shopping. We will not know until arguments are presented in a GA court of law.
I honestly haven’t dressed up for Halloween since I was about twelve.
To: Brown Deer
Van Irion expresses some reasonable concerns. One thing I thought was a possible red flag (and maybe a catch 22) is the judge really did inform all plaintiffs that he was going to issue a default judgment against Obama. IOW, there was no reason to present a case, and theres actually a risk in proceeding to present a case, even in the absence of the other party. It gives the judge an opportunity deny the substance of that case. I hope this didnt backfire, but we have to be prepared that it might.
No need to speculate. That would be George Soros.
OBot Foggies refer to him as "The Boss"
Dude, you set yourself up for a vicious slam with that comment.
I ain't sayin nuthin! :)
. . . . Update at # 1090. - Judge Malihi expedites the date for post trial motions.