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OBAMA ELIGIBILITY HEARING TO BE STREAMED LIVE STARTING AT 0900 EST
Article II SUPERPAC ^ | 01/26/2012 | Article II SUPERPAC

Posted on 01/26/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by RaceBannon

Article II SUPERPAC streaming live video and audio at this link


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012ballot; barry; bc; birthcertificate; certifigate; corruption; eligibility; fraud; ga; identitytheft; livegeorgiahearing; media; mittromney; naturalborncitizen; nbc; obama; sarahpalin; socialsecurity; teaparty; usurper
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To: GregNH

Looks like a bust of MLK.


1,251 posted on 01/29/2012 5:50:50 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: GregNH

It be MLK


1,252 posted on 01/29/2012 5:51:20 AM PST by Obama Exposer
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To: Obama Exposer; 2ndamendmentpa

Thank you.


1,253 posted on 01/29/2012 5:53:38 AM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: GregNH

Thanks, will read!


1,254 posted on 01/29/2012 8:50:10 AM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: bitt; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
David, resources are always available from this group. What do you need?

and...I see from above post #1229 that you think certain people believe that O was born in country...but what's this about ("not in the state of HI")

...could you be suggesting "on the Island of HI BEFORE it became a State"...some of us have entertained the possibility that O was born prior to HI being admitted into the USA.....that would explain lack of pictures, verifiable dates, and a good reason for G'maw to start working on his false papers when he was very young...

In reverse order.

No, I do not think he was born in Hawaii before Statehood. Matter of fact, as I recall, that was the Goldwater issue (with respect to Arizona) and I think there was a general consensus that if you have those facts where the territory ultimately becomes a state, the candidate is eligible.

As to the actual place of birth, I am not anxious to put information out there in a public post for two reasons. We have had the experience of putting information out there and then finding that the underlying source has been erased because the Opposing Forces read these posts just like everyone else.

Further, the possibility also exists that whatever evidence one found would be a fake like the Hawaii evidence, done by someone on the other side who anticipated we would get that far and left us more misinformation to find.

If we had real substantive hard evidence, we would use it and will do so if we get it.

As to resources: Someone on the board was looking for the next piece of evidence we need but has not yet come up with anything. The requirements for the person doing the looking are a little narrow and I will let you know what they are.

Sure, you might like to have the money to hire a Private Investigator who unquestionably would come up with the next piece but then you are spending money and if all you have is enough to hire a PI to do a narrow piece of the work, you don't have the resources to use the result.

The real resource issue is the need for an experienced senior lawyer to run the project. Remember, on the other side, you are contesting with a number of experienced quality lawyers with all the support they need. The kind of person you need isn't going to be in a position to do this as a volunteer because he too has financial commitments and kids to educate etc. Neither are the support people who will be involved.

We now don't really know much about how much they have spent to date or how it has been funded or who is now in charge. Looking at the individual lawyers in the act, many of whom I know personally or have seen their work product in other settings, I have guessed that the total legal effort so far is in the $10mm range and they are not done. The Georgia case is the first time they have cheaped out on the legal and the loss there may be the crack that defeats them.

There is a general level of misunderstanding about how lawyers operate on this kind of effort and how a multi jurisdictional action like this is managed. But the result of four years of pursuing this objective with individual lawyers fighting narrow battles has not been very successful.

1,255 posted on 01/29/2012 10:01:13 AM PST by David
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To: LibertyRocks; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
The cover up and fraudulent record we have seen here almost certainly involves criminal conduct. But it isn't likely that you get effective relief until you have resolved the ultimate issue.

Sheriff Joe may be effective and may give the project another shove in the correct direction--we can be hopeful.

As to ballot access--my comments on this thread have been based on a limited review of the papers in two of the five cases. I don't see the global remedy of getting him off the ballot in both the primary and the election but it may be there in papers I have not seen.

The reason you might proceed on only the primary is because you think you have a better shot at avoiding creating a federal question. Maybe you can proceed on the general as well without creating a federal question although the Supreme Court didn't have a problem getting in to the case in Bush v. Gore.

It isn't clear how many states you need to remove him from the ballot on to affect his ability as a candidate. It might be enough to just get him off the primary ballot in half the states to cause the Dem's to decide he is a problem.

In fact, I think something like that is at least being discussed in DC at present and it may well bear fruit if we see more progress.

As a judgment proposition, I don't think he can afford to lose very many of these arguments and remain an effective candidate.

When you are as divisive a political factor as Obama has been, you tend to attract adversaries who increase the level of problems you have being effective.

I would feel better about our chances if we had more effective and better coordinated legal help. But the Georgia case at present at least is moving in the right direction.

1,256 posted on 01/29/2012 10:29:32 AM PST by David
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To: David
I have guessed that the total legal effort so far is in the $10mm range and they are not done. The Georgia case is the first time they have cheaped out on the legal and the loss there may be the crack that defeats them.

If you have "invested" $10M why cheap out on a ballot access case. The ramifications of even one state declaring you ineligible is huge. The Full Faith and Credit act comes to mind. Any other state now has access to the evidence presented in GA. Did they just under estimate the magnitude of an unfavorable outcome? Did they plan on a default judgement whereas evidence could not be presented?

I know these questions can't be answered but with opinion but a $10M bet? Makes no sense.

1,257 posted on 01/29/2012 10:47:34 AM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: David

David, this is the third time I have asked you this question below in this thread and you have refused to respond. It should be a very simple question for you to answer since you are a lawyer. I present it to you again for the third time. I would appreciate a answer. Here it is:

If you were the attorney handling these ballot challenge hearings for plaintiffs, what cases would you cite to declare Barack Obama ineligible for Article 2 Section 1?


1,258 posted on 01/29/2012 10:53:16 AM PST by Obama Exposer
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To: rodguy911; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
Your #1248 is really a pretty good summary of the situation in many respects.

Here's the problem David.

My goal,don't know if its yours or not,is to make a case that zero is either ineligible to run due to his fathers heritage or his place of birth.

Over the last four years we have failed to do that.

Why?

We are operating in a legal environment. And the other side has a cadre including some of the best lawyers in America; with the kind and character of support those kinds of lawyers have. I know many of them and all of them are very good at what they do.

Although I have no real first hand knowledge, just looking at the legal effort we have seen expended and knowing what we would charge, I would guess that they have spent as much as $10mm or maybe more from various pockets to date.

You don't win those kinds of multi jurisdictional contests with uncoordinated part time volunteers. Just doesn't happen.

And large, complex litigation that this kind of dispute involves takes significant attention from capable legal help. That is how it works.

The Georgia case is simple. You get either counterparts of the original affidavits or write new copies with respect to the many people to whom Zero has stated or who have heard Zero state that he was born in Mombasa in Kenya; I saw Race Bannon post here the other day--his story about meeting Zero in a bar in Honolulu in 1982 was very persuasive; you put in copies of all three fake Birth Certificates together with your expert evidence that they are all three fakes; you put in the record on the Sunahara birth number.

Your legal argument is that there is no scintilla of evidence that he was born in Hawaii; that the only and Best Evidence of his place of Birth is his statements against interest evidenced by the affidavits.

You get the judge to find that on the record, the evidence is that he was born in Kenya to a non-citizen father and a mother who not having been resident in the US for five years after age 14 could not pass citizenship to zero. You get him to conclude that as a matter of law, he is not a Natural Born Citizen on two grounds: 1) he was born outside the US; and 2) his father was not a US Citizen and his mother's US Citizenship is flawed. (You do the stuff about the citizenship, not because you think it is by itself a winning position but because you want them to be forced to respond to the argument.)

That you ought to be able to do and win with it. And in this case, because Zero failed to appear, that is a productive result.

The concern is if zero ever gets on the record, the risk is that he can prove he was born in the US. And it isn't very likely that he will let you blow him out of the water very many times with this case.

If he can get to the US Supreme Court with findings of fact demonstrating that he was born in the US, the Court is going to hold him eligible. My objectives; your objectives; everyone here with objectives; to the contrary notwithstanding, he wins that argument. If he is eligible, he can run if the Dem's will nominate him.

And to be fair, he does have some political problems also. As divisive as he is, he has picked up adversaries in both parties and there is a level of concern among the Dems. That is both good and bad--they may decide to replace him with a winning ticket.

The rest of your post combines two issues--why don't people talk about this; and where do we wind up.

I speculate that the reason you don't get any sympathy from the real opinion makers at FOX and in the political and judicial environment is because many of them have seen evidence that he was born in the United States.

Personally, I don't think zero is going to be able to hold it together to the election. Although I do think he was likely born in the United States, he is in fact a complete fraud. Nothing you know or think you know about him is real. Under those circumstances, I think the Dems will conclude he is not an effective candidate.

There is a sympathetic spin to be put on his real facts and he might be able to pull that off but I doubt it.

However the political fundamentals you outline are still correct--Romney is a form of Obama-lite; Newt is probably more conservative but a flawed candidate. Likely as an alternative you get Mrs. Clinton as a front for her husband.

None of that is very attractive.

1,259 posted on 01/29/2012 11:17:15 AM PST by David
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To: GregNH; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
If you have "invested" $10M why cheap out on a ballot access case. The ramifications of even one state declaring you ineligible is huge. The Full Faith and Credit act comes to mind. Any other state now has access to the evidence presented in GA. Did they just under estimate the magnitude of an unfavorable outcome? Did they plan on a default judgement whereas evidence could not be presented?

I know these questions can't be answered but with opinion but a $10M bet? Makes no sense.

You are of course correct.

Full Faith and Credit doesn't really have anything to do with it. Each state makes its own decision. But a decision here is precedential secondary authority in the next state so it may alter what the Opp Fors would need to do to get a different result. More important, it very adversely affects their political defense position.

But they clearly have made a mistake and it may turn out to beat them--we will see.

Bob Bauer is out as White House Counsel. His current role is not apparent. The release said he was participating in the reelection campaign but I doubt it--if he is, it isn't in the role of an attorney decision maker on these kinds of cases.

1,260 posted on 01/29/2012 11:34:53 AM PST by David
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To: GregNH

It’s probably a bust of his father, (not the kenyan) and as the resemblance is so great, he can say the bust is of himself.
But officially, I don’t think anyone knows. (In both cases)


1,261 posted on 01/29/2012 12:35:11 PM PST by Fred Nerks (AT YOUR OWN PERIL - FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: David

Thanks for your follow-up posts. Please excuse my spouting-off posts they were not directed at you personally and most likely confirm your point about the lack of sophistication required to deal with the courts.

I have a question. You say:

“The cover up and fraudulent record we have seen here almost certainly involves criminal conduct. But it isn’t likely that you get effective relief until you have resolved the ultimate issue.”

Don’t lawyers swear an oath to the US Constitution and their state Constitutions?

They may know he was born somewhere in the US (not HI) and conclude he is a NBC but how are they not aiding and abetting fraud with regards to the forged birth certificates instead of just defending him?

Also, if they know he was born outside of the US with to a non-citizen father aren’t they aiding and abetting Obama?


1,262 posted on 01/29/2012 12:35:39 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: Danae

This is a different video, the audio clearer. Van Irion begins with Minor around 19:00. The video does not show the complete trial.

The video and audio improves after a rough start. Just fast forward to 19:00. We can hear Van Irion rebut the dicta claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am62IN4ar0o&feature=player_embedded


1,263 posted on 01/29/2012 1:17:40 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Red Steel; Brown Deer; LucyT

Foggy from fog bow

William Littell Bryan Jr - #117084

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The probation of WILLIAM L. BRYAN JR. [#117084], 47, of Foothill Ranch was revoked, the previous stay of suspension was lifted, and he was given a new two-year suspension, stayed, and placed on two years of probation with a 60-day actual suspension. The order took effect Jan. 15, 2000.

Bryan was disciplined in 1998 for misconduct in three consolidated cases. His actions included failure to perform legal services competently, promptly return client papers or respond to client inquiries, improperly withdrawing from representation and false advertising.

He failed to comply with eight separate conditions of the 1998 probation, including submitting quarterly probation reports, attending ethics school, attending Narcotics Anonymous meetings and taking the professional responsibility examination.

In mitigation, the misconduct occurred at a time Bryan was suffering from severe emotional difficulties and had family problems. He and his wife were about to adopt a baby when the birth mother took the child back, an event which worsened Bryan’s manic depressive illness.

In addition, he and his wife cared for his wife’s terminally ill parents at their home.

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WILLIAM LITTELL BRYAN JR. [#117084], 45, of Foothill Ranch was suspended for two years, stayed, placed on two years of probation and was ordered to take the MPRE within one year. The order took effect April 4, 1998.

Bryan represented three clients in a malicious prosecution case. When he failed to appear at four court hearings, he and his clients were sanctioned, and the case was dismissed.

He stipulated that he failed to perform legal services competently, keep his clients reasonably informed about developments in a case, communicate, return files, pay sanctions and obey court orders.

Bryan filed a damages claim in another case. He then stopped working on the case but did not properly withdraw from employment. When he failed to prosecute the case, it was dismissed. He did not appear at an evaluation conference and no defendants were served with the complaint.

Bryan also stipulated that he advertised as an attorney in a false and deceptive manner by listing himself and a retired attorney as purported partners, although he had no professional association with her.

In mitigation, he has no record of prior discipline, and suffered from manic depression and substance abuse. His illness is now under control and he is sober.

http://members.calbar.ca.gov/fal/Member/Detail/117084


1,264 posted on 01/29/2012 1:51:01 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: David
Full Faith and Credit doesn't really have anything to do with it. Each state makes its own decision. But a decision here is presidential secondary authority in the next state so it may alter what the Opp Fors would need to do to get a different result. More important, it very adversely affects their political defense position.

I of course respectfully disagree. But we will wait for that to play out..

But they clearly have made a mistake and it may turn out to beat them--we will see.

This mistake IMHO is effing huge!

Bob Bauer is out as White House Counsel. His current role is not apparent. The release said he was participating in the reelection campaign but I doubt it--if he is, it isn't in the role of an attorney decision maker on these kinds of cases.

I have followed this very closely and have come to conclusion that he and others have jumped ship....we shall see.

1,265 posted on 01/29/2012 1:51:18 PM PST by GregNH (I will continue to do whatever it takes, my grandchildren are depending on me....)
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To: All

At what point do Obama’s lawyers cross the line from representing and defending him to actively aiding and abetting him?

What exactly do they know?

Did they not swear an oath to the US Constitution?

Are they aiding an enemy foreign or domestic?

A criminal defense attorney representing a murderer says my client didn’t do it. He does not help bury the body.


1,266 posted on 01/29/2012 1:59:44 PM PST by Smokeyblue (Obama's got NBC problems and birth certificate problems - a bad case of Cluster F**ked.)
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To: Red Steel; LucyT

NBC interviewed the nutcase Foggy.

http://www.11alive.com/video/1416551636001/1/Judge-hears-argument-to-oust-Obama-from-Georgia-ballot


1,267 posted on 01/29/2012 2:26:14 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: David
Thank you very much.

You are definitely in a league much higher than mine.

Although I have had some thoughts along the lines of who are his real father or mother. I often wonder if its likely that Piglosi would have put herself on the line for such a character as well.Maybe she knows the real truth.

Was he a product of grandpa Dunham who liked to frequent Honolulu black whores in which case he could be a NBC just not an admitted one.

Or the Malcolm X theories which are possibly even more likely. In either case absent DNA its all supposition. Thanks again for your eloquent reply.

1,268 posted on 01/29/2012 2:58:25 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: bushpilot1

So Blade Bryan is manic depressive and a “substance abuser”.

not surprised in the least. Plus the other shady history.


1,269 posted on 01/29/2012 3:04:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: Fred Nerks; David

David, is your supposition that FOX etc has seen evidence that he was born in the US and therefore refuse to touch this based on pure speculation or some hints?

From what I’ve read (obsessively), he is definitely not the son of the Kenyan for one thing, and most likely not born with the name BHO. So are you saying the person born as BHO was born in the US and that is what FOX etc have seen? Or the birth records of the person currently going by the name BHO?


1,270 posted on 01/29/2012 3:08:07 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: little jeremiah; David

...or is it possible that the inexplicable bi-partisan support of the candidate was/is the result of a major terrorist threat against the US?
And no, I have no evidence, so don’t ask me.


1,271 posted on 01/29/2012 4:06:24 PM PST by Fred Nerks (AT YOUR OWN PERIL - FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: little jeremiah; David

http://politicalvelcraft.org/2012/01/13/obama-blocked-from-registering-for-alabama-state-primary-until-eligibility-is-validated-by-court/

An Alabama Court has announced that it will hear arguments as to whether Barack Hussein Obama II is in fact eligible to appear on the State Presidential Primary Ballot.

Several Alabama citizens have filed a lawsuit within the Alabama Circuit Court to “prevent certification of President Barack Obama for 2012 Alabama ballot access pending final hearing based on factual evidentiary hearings.”

The deadline for any candidate to register to appear on the Alabama Presidential Primary ballot is just days away, but by agreeing to hear the case, the Alabama Courts have effectively stalled any efforts by the Democratic Party to place Obama on the ballot.


1,272 posted on 01/29/2012 4:21:56 PM PST by Fred Nerks (AT YOUR OWN PERIL - FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: little jeremiah; Red Steel

We knew foggy is a nutcase its been posted on FR. It should be brought to surface again since his recent rant on the news release.

We are letting readers see for themselves he’s a confirmed maniac and substance abuser.


1,273 posted on 01/29/2012 4:25:30 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: little jeremiah; David

it’s just politics as usual...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/whitehouse/6773105167/in/photostream

President Barack Obama meets with former President George H.W. Bush and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in the Oval Office, Jan. 27, 2012. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

This official White House photograph is being made available only for publication by news organizations and/or for personal use printing by the subject(s) of the photograph. The photograph may not be manipulated in any way and may not be used in commercial or political materials, advertisements, emails, products, promotions that in any way suggests approval or endorsement of the President, the First Family, or the White House.


1,274 posted on 01/29/2012 4:42:36 PM PST by Fred Nerks (AT YOUR OWN PERIL - FAIR DINKUM!)
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SOURCE FOR #1274

http://news.yahoo.com/george-h-w-jeb-bush-pay-obama-unscheduled-150000837.html


1,275 posted on 01/29/2012 4:47:34 PM PST by Fred Nerks (AT YOUR OWN PERIL - FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: little jeremiah; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Brown Deer
David, is your supposition that FOX etc has seen evidence that he was born in the US and therefore refuse to touch this based on pure speculation or some hints?

From what I’ve read (obsessively), he is definitely not the son of the Kenyan for one thing, and most likely not born with the name BHO. So are you saying the person born as BHO was born in the US and that is what FOX etc have seen? Or the birth records of the person currently going by the name BHO?

I labeled my view about why FOX and others are going along as speculation. The only real support for that view is that their explanation for why they are not willing to touch the issue is not supported by much other than thin air.

You note however, that something like 25% of NewsCorp is owned by the Saudi's.

I think Pelosi got her information by hiring an investigator and doing work to find out what the facts are.

1,276 posted on 01/29/2012 5:08:45 PM PST by David
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To: Fred Nerks

There was that secret Congressional meeting in, IIRC, July 2008. It was right after that that McCain transparently threw the election.


1,277 posted on 01/29/2012 5:30:08 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: bushpilot1

It’s nice that you posted it for all the world to see.

I wonder if he’s on SSI?


1,278 posted on 01/29/2012 6:10:12 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: bushpilot1


the scoop on this POS

Communist
1,279 posted on 01/29/2012 6:51:59 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: bushpilot1; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...


the scoop on this POS

Communist
1,280 posted on 01/29/2012 6:52:47 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Smokeyblue

Yeah, I always wonder what sorts tactics lawyers can get away with for the sake of their guilty clients and still not be complicit. It seems like attorney-client privilege covers a multitude of sins committed by lawyers.

Along those lines, I took the time today to re-read Jablonski’s Motion to Quash Subpoenas. What really grabs my eye about that document is the lawyer’s use of terminology in describing the certified copy of Obama’s original long-form birth certificate sought by the plaintiff.

In general Jablonski merely refers vaguely to “documents” sought. In at least one occasion he uses the the plural word “documents” and the later back references them incorrectly with the singular pronoun “it.” Grammatical errors like that are sometimes the result of changing out the antecedent as an after thought. “Instead of ‘Birth Certificate’, let’s just say ‘documents’”.

Reading the Motion to Quash leaves me imagining Jablonski and advisers having numerous exchanges like, “Well we can’t say ‘my client’s certified Certificate of Live Birth’ in that sentence.” and “Let’s just say ‘evidencing his birth’ instead of ‘proves he was a born a citizen of the U.S.’”.

When Jablonski finally does employ the term “birth certificate”, he uses it this way: “The birth certificates made available to the public prove citizenship.” To my biased, skeptical eyes, the cloudiness of that statement screams for attention. Wouldn’t it be more natural and more pointed to say, “My client released his official birth certificate on both a campaign web site and on the White House website, both of which prove he was born a US citizen in Hawaii in 1961.”

Or how about Jablosnki’s phrase, “a copy of the birth record informally known as the ‘long form’”? To me, that too sounds a little like evasive speech.

I’m open to the possibility that I’m just being too picky and making a mountain out of a mole hill, but when I see sneaky sounding verbiage in a document like this, it makes me think that the lawyer is fully aware that what he wants people to think he means is quite a bit different from what he really means.

At what (if any) point does language that is carefully crafted to be perhaps technically true but intentionally misleading cross over the line into perpetrating Fraud upon the Court or suborning perjury?

It reminds me of the rumor circulated here and elsewhere that Obama was counseled not to even touch the document placed on the White House site. Is there any accountability for lawyers whose tactics go beyond posturing and plunge well deep into intentional deception?

Anyway, if some of you linguistically inclined critical thinkers or lawyers out there are curious about this, it might be worth your time to read through the Motion to Quash with a sharp eye to parse and identify any evasiveness and deception techniques. And please tell me if my bias has led me to merely make much ado about nothing.


1,281 posted on 01/29/2012 7:10:40 PM PST by ecinkc (Fuddy, Fukino and Onaka: Criminal Co-conspirators in Chief?)
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To: GregNH; David
My impression is that Bauer has gone back to his role as Obama’s personal attorney and in that role is taking the lead in defending Obama against identity and eligibility challenges...while being protected by attorney-client privilege to a much greater extent that he was as White House Counsel (a federal employee).

Here is the NY Times coverage of the announcement:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/06/02/bauer-to-step-down-as-white-house-counsel/

June 2, 2011, 12:24 pm
Bauer to Step Down as White House Counsel

By JACKIE CALMES

The White House counsel, Robert F. Bauer, will return to private practice at the end of June and resume his role as lawyer for the Democratic Party and Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign, President Obama announced on Thursday. Mr. Bauer will replaced by the deputy presidential counsel, Kathryn Ruemmler.

“Bob was a critical member of the White House team,” Mr. Obama said in a statement. “He has exceptional judgment, wisdom and intellect, and he will continue to be one of my close advisers.”

Mr. Bauer, who will go back to the law firm Perkins Coie, will also be Mr. Obama’s personal lawyer.

1,282 posted on 01/29/2012 7:24:27 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: RaceBannon

The Fogbow posters are now claiming that Brian Kemp, the Georgia Sec of State was provided through backroom channels a certified state issued COLB from Hawaii this past friday through team Obama. Their is a Fogbow posting attorney who has access to the Atlanta courthouse that was given this information by a courthouse insider. Who do we know that was at the hearings. I guess we will have to wait and see if this is true.


1,283 posted on 01/29/2012 7:49:12 PM PST by Obama Exposer
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To: DiogenesLamp
You are now famous on Fogbow because prominent lawyer (on the site anyway) “Butterfly Bilderberg” has adopted a quote from you on FR as her (proud) tag line! I am jealous.

See: http://www.thefogbow.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=6845&start=5625

[M]ost of the lawyer types argue (Incorrectly in my opinion) that if you are “born” a citizen, then you are a “natural born citizen.” This notion seems quite pervasive among the legal @ssholes i’ve argued with, and there is no reason to think that it isn't a ubiquitous belief among lawyer types including sitting Federal judges. - DiogenesLamp, posting at Free Republic

1,284 posted on 01/29/2012 8:24:46 PM PST by Seizethecarp
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To: Obama Exposer; All

Some observations & questions:

The SOS office isn’t the Court.

I would think that if the SOS were to be contacted, he would immediately notify the judge and report the action.

Seems like an unethical step, a bit like approaching a witness outside the courtroom in order to influence.

Are the Atlanta Courthouse records available on line?

If something were to be entered ‘back channel’ would it become a part of a filing (for lack of a better term?)

Whose entering the evidence into the record, the SOS?

If so, is this procedurally correct and therefore acceptable to the Court?

Where’s the proof of service to each of the Plaintiffs?

I’m claiming BS, but with a usurper as defendant maybe not.


1,285 posted on 01/29/2012 8:45:19 PM PST by freepersup (Hi, I'm Michael Jablonski, and right about now my you know what is tighter than a tree's rings.)
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To: Brown Deer; bushpilot1

BD, thanks for the ping. What a pathetic person Bryan is. I feel sorry for him. He’s mean, yes, but pathetic too.

Bp, your research is just amazing. Wow. So you’re telling me Bryan is a typical Befogger: morally challenged and mentally tenuous. Why am I not surprised?


1,286 posted on 01/29/2012 8:55:59 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Obama Exposer

Shifting my train of thought to whether this particular move is an attempt to make it an issue between just the SOS and the candidate. Nothing judicial. Just a candidate going about proving his qualifications. Ya’ wanna’ see my creds.? Here ya’ go. Suckers. Insert content whistling figure here > <. Their big chess move. A gotcha moment. See, I told ya’ I was qualified. Fools. Birthers. Racists. Nutburgers.


1,287 posted on 01/29/2012 9:00:35 PM PST by freepersup (Hi, I'm Michael Jablonski, and right about now my you know what is tighter than a tree's rings.)
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To: Fantasywriter

A freeper wishing to remain anon. located the file.


1,288 posted on 01/29/2012 9:06:07 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

Thanks for the clarification. You’re still an amazing researcher, though. I’ve seen enough of your material on the NBC issue to say that for sure. :)


1,289 posted on 01/29/2012 9:09:06 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Obama Exposer; butterdezillion; Red Steel; Danae
The Fogbow posters are now claiming that Brian Kemp, the Georgia Sec of State was provided through backroom channels a certified state issued COLB from Hawaii this past friday through team Obama. Their is a Fogbow posting attorney who has access to the Atlanta courthouse that was given this information by a courthouse insider. Who do we know that was at the hearings. I guess we will have to wait and see if this is true.

THEN IT AND ANY ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTS NEED TO BE REQUESTED THROUGHT THE GEORGIA PUBLIC RECORDS ACT: http://www.sos.ga.gov/archives/who_are_we/rims/best_practices_resources/open_records_act.htm#50-18-70

1,290 posted on 01/29/2012 9:12:48 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

IMO someone should ask to inspect it also...


1,291 posted on 01/29/2012 9:18:46 PM PST by rolling_stone
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To: rolling_stone

Ain’t FOIA GRAND???? ;)


1,292 posted on 01/29/2012 10:24:25 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: David

Was Bauer really so effective in the past? So much so his apparent ‘dissappearance’ is so obvious? Who wants him out of the way and why? Is it time to let go a lost cause finally? If Bob was the one holding it together ... interesting that he should jump ship now isn’t it?

Minor is a MASSIVE problem. So much so they bought themselves a legal website to help erase it long before the 08 election...

These are not lightweights. This is no skip in the playground.


1,293 posted on 01/29/2012 10:47:19 PM PST by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: Brown Deer

Yeah, I’d read that stuff about this guy last year. Thanks for the Ping!

This thread merited re-visiting; I had thought it tapped out after about 1,164 comments (of which I read all), but there’s been some more good material added since then.


1,294 posted on 01/30/2012 12:21:15 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: ecinkc
"I’m open to the possibility that I’m just being too picky and making a mountain out of a mole hill, but when I see sneaky sounding verbiage in a document like this, it makes me think that the lawyer is fully aware that what he wants people to think he means is quite a bit different from what he really means."

You're not making a mountain out of a mole hill. Lawyers as a rule weigh each and every word very carefully when preparing a written legal statement of any kind.

I actually commented on this parsing of words a ways back on comment #122 of this behemoth of a thread. Your analysis was much more thorough than mine, however. Kudos.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2837825/posts?page=122#122

1,295 posted on 01/30/2012 12:39:17 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: Fantasywriter; Brown Deer; bushpilot1
"He’s mean, yes, but pathetic too."

Nassty Hobbittsses!

1,296 posted on 01/30/2012 1:10:51 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: RaceBannon

bump


1,297 posted on 01/30/2012 1:16:04 AM PST by WhirlwindAttack (Out in the country with lots of fresh water. Completly off grid now. Sat internet online.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

We know this information was on the web and posted previously on FR. This time we have a direct link he’s the nut from Fogbow known as Foggy who trolls this site. He was recently banned - BladeBryan.

Thanks to the NBC local interview for confirming. We have a match.

His fanatical attacks deserved a response. We showed the chief Obot is a mental case and drug abuser.

Can a confirmed maniac tell the difference between a birth certificate and a duck?

Team Obama has rounded up idiots to confirm he’s a valid President. Foggy is one of them.


1,298 posted on 01/30/2012 2:40:37 AM PST by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1

I’ve been reading their thread on this case. Such nice people./s


1,299 posted on 01/30/2012 2:49:54 AM PST by JohnnyP
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To: freema

bookmark


1,300 posted on 01/30/2012 3:22:25 AM PST by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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