Skip to comments.OBAMA ELIGIBILITY HEARING TO BE STREAMED LIVE STARTING AT 0900 EST
Posted on 01/26/2012 5:55:04 AM PST by RaceBannon
Article II SUPERPAC streaming live video and audio at this link
Don’t forget that Kevin Davidson aka Dr. Conspiracy was there at the hearing. He’s just as bad as Foggy.
It is amusing to realize that they are so lacking in their own wisdom that they have to borrow some from me. We can only hope they continue reading what I write and learn something from it. :)
[M]ost of the lawyer types argue (Incorrectly in my opinion) that if you are born a citizen, then you are a natural born citizen. This notion seems quite pervasive among the legal @ssholes ive argued with, and there is no reason to think that it isn't a ubiquitous belief among lawyer types including sitting Federal judges. - DiogenesLamp, posting at Free Republic
Of course, to refute this belief, I am fond of pointing out that Aldo Mario Bellei (of Rogers v Bellei) was "born a citizen" but lost his citizenship for failure to meet residency requirements. Why does this matter? Because a "natural born citizen" HAS no residency requirements. Ergo, they are not the same thing.
“Im open to the possibility that Im just being too picky and making a mountain out of a mole hill, but when I see sneaky sounding verbiage in a document like this, it makes me think that the lawyer is fully aware that what he wants people to think he means is quite a bit different from what he really means.”
I agree. Obviously, I don’t think they are stupid enough to knowingly submit false documents to the court but their pleadings are interesting.
I was also thinking about the lawyer sent to Hawaii to pick up the BC hard copies. Ex. She would know that what she picked up didn’t match what Obama soon presented to the public. The hand stamps on the BC were in the exact same place. Unless Hawaii was the one who forged the BC and gave her a printouts she knows that what he presented to the public is different. How is that not aiding the fraud?
Then we have DOJ lawyers arguing on his behalf. How about his tax attorney and the SSN#? And Bauer from the beginning.
One would think that they are not stupid enough to cross the line but where is that line? I think when all is revealed there should be a review of just what his lawyers did.
One other rambling thought. If as believed (that he’s a usurper), this crime is an on-going situation.
At what point are these lawyers required to ask questions of him?
Look at the situation with Fast & Furious.
Federal prosecutor cites Fifth in Fast and Furious probe
“The chief of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona has cited his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination”
Lol! Perfect graphic.
Now I understand why the Befoggers monkey-turd fling the term ‘nutburgers’ around so frantically. It’s just more of the ubiquitous projection that marks the site. They’re hoping if they furiously label enough people ‘nutburgers’, it will deflect attention from the creepy mental weirdness that pervades their site...starting right at the top.
In my favored scenario:
1. Bauer (at the time WH counsel) outsources the LFBC pdf forgery to a trusted non-lawyer operative in the WH basement (no paper or e-mail trail back to Bauer...they hope)...who screws up and fails to flatten the file.
2. Bauer instructs that the LFBC pdf be e-mailed to Abercrombie or an Abercrombie operative (no paper trail back to Bauer)
3. Abercrombie "instructs" (conspires with) Fuddy to have the forged LFBC pdf certified with Onaka's signature stamp and to prepare a statement stating that the image is genuine. In HI, only Abercrombie and Fuddy need be corrupt with Onaka thrown in. Note that none of these are lawyers subject to the severe crime of committing a fraud on the court and loss of law license.
4. The Perkins Coie lawyer Judith Corley, who was Obama's personal Lawyer at the time, does not witness the alleged copying of the LFBC from the 1961 bound book, but ONLY picks up the two certified photocopies...so Perkins Coie is protected from personal involvement in the forgery.
5. On June 2, Bauer resigns as WH counsel (public employee with no personal attorney client privilege) and resumes his former position as top Obama eligibility defender at Perkins Coie replacing Judith Corley (back to being her boss). I believe that when the "layers" were discovered in the WH pdf of the LFBC, it became "too hot" for Bauer not to regain attorney client privilege with Obama immediately so that Bauer could direct defense of the pdf. Note that Fuddy only says that what she gave Judith Corley was genuine, but not that the WH LFBC pdf image is genuine. Here is the important part of Abercrombie and Fuddy's official statements:
We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in HawaiÂi,Â HawaiÂi Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. ÂI have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in HawaiÂi.Â
"On April 22, 2011, President Obama sent a letter to Director Fuddy, requesting two certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth. Also on that day, Judith Corley, the Presidentâs personal attorney, made the same request in writing on behalf of the President. (Letters from President Obama and Ms. Corley are attached).
"On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obamaâs request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the copies.
"President Obama authorized Ms. Corley to pick up the documents. On April 25, 2011, Ms. Corley appeared in person at the HawaiÂi State Department of Health building in Honolulu, paid the requisite fee, and was given the two certified copies, a response letter from Director Fuddy to President Obama, and a receipt for payment."
Certified transcripts of all three hearings are up on Scribd!
MS. TAITZ: Keep going quickly, move, down, down, down, down. Keep going, keep going, keep going. More, more, more. Yes, stop.
MS. TAITZ: Keep going, keep going — higher — no, down, down little bit. No, up, up, go up. Stop, down, down I apologize. Up — go down. Just one second, please. More, more, more, more, more. Stop, stop. Okay, little bit lower, little bit lower, little bit lower. ....
MS. TAITZ: Okay. Let's look at the next point. Go a little bit higher — no, down. Okay. No, no, down, down, down. No. Stop, stop, stop.
MS. TAITZ: Keep going, keep going. Now — stop.
Per Fogbower wag ZorbasLeGreque:
“She really tells you how she likes it ..... Much better than afterwards complaining about your (missing) skills .......”
Orly could get the last laugh, having gotten at least some portion of her evidence into Malihi’s “findings of fact” unapposed by Obama’s legal lackeys.
Thank you for the link!
This Alabama action in a court of law offers more promise than that in GA, which occurred in an administrative hearing that could only render an advisory opinion.
If plaintiffs included birthplace in their pleadings, it appears the O team will finally be exposed to a judicial inquiry regarding birth documents. If they do not appear there is an excellent chance he will not be allowed on the ballot.
Importantly, it would seem that even if its SOS does not have statutory authority (?) to determine who shall be on its ballots by reference to NBC eligibility, the court could conclude it has inherent authority to deny ballot access to patently unqualified candidates. Such a label will certainly apply if O fails to produce a credible BC.
Unfortunately, if he does produce we should be prepared that a state supreme court may disregard the clear language of Art II and hold the term natural born remains undefined
Alabamas Supreme Court may be the first to hear this dispute; alternatively, it may be the first state O decides to abandon.
Thanks for this info. I hope AL knows not to waste time on any original [Obama] ‘birth record’ that isn’t “half handwritten”. The Obama rump-swab fanny-smoochers have done a fairly good job of burying that description, but it is real, firsthand eye-witness testimony [Fukino’s]. I just hope someone in AL is aware of it.
Nice job! What a scumbag!
Just in from Orly’s site.
Still trying to get a look at the BC from Hawaii
Farrar v Obama Request for Leave of Court to Petition Supreme Court for Letters Rogatory 1
HONORABLE MICHAEL MALIHI
DEPUTY CHIEF JUDGE OSAH
STATE OF GEORGIA
DAVID FARRAR, :
LEAH LAX, :
CODY JUDY, : DOCKET #: OSAH-SECSTATE-.
THOMAS MacLaren : CE-1215136-60-MALIHI :
_________________________________ __ _:
EMERGENCY REQUEST FOR leave of court to petition the Fulton county Superior Court for a letter rogatory to seek from the state of HI under Rule 616-1-2 production of an original birth certificate of the defendant in lieu of a copy proffered by the defense in 01.25.2012 letter to Secretary of State Kemp and carbon copied to this court.
Farrar v Obama Request for Leave of Court to Petition Supreme Court for Letters Rogatory 2
Current request for leave of court is filed for a limited purpose of seeking a letter rogatory to the judicial authority in the state of Hawaii, seeking production of an alleged original birth certificate. This request is done in accordance with rule 616-1-2 and in light of the fact, that in the 01.27.2012 order this court ruled, that it has no jurisdiction to issue a letter rogatory to the state of HI. This request is done in parallel with current proceedings and with the reservation of rights of the plaintiffs to file a summary of points of law and facts by February 1, as ordered by this court.
On January 25, 2012 Defendant by and through his attorney sent a letter to the Secretary of State of GA Brian Kemp and carbon copied this letter to this court and to the plaintiffs. The letter contained mostly gratuitous attacks on the plaintiff’s counsel and on the court and had as an attachment a computer image of an alleged long form birth certificate of the Defendant. The letter in question was seeking to remove this case from this court. Secretary of State Kemp denied the request. Defendant never showed up in court for trial. The trial was conducted in his absentia. Defendant never introduced into evidence any documents proving his natural born US citizen status. However, the image attached with the aforementioned letter, was used with improper purpose to influence this court, the Secretary of State of GA, media and public at large. Aforementioned letter was widely quoted in the media and the image in question was included in multiple
Farrar v Obama Request for Leave of Court to Petition Supreme Court for Letters Rogatory 3
telecasts. Taitz, Plaintiffs attorney, had to endure multiple threatening and harassing phone calls, e-mails and messages as a result of this letter.
Rule 616-1-2 states:
Chapter 616-1-2 Administrative Rules of Procedure
purpose of resolving the differences so as to make the record conform to the truth.
(f) Documents and things produced for inspection during the examination of the witness shall,
upon the request of a party, be marked for identification and attached to and filed with the
deposition, and may be inspected and copied by a party. Copies may be substituted for originals
if each party is given an opportunity to compare the proffered copy with the original to verify its
correctness. (emphasis added)
As the defendant sent aforementioned letter to this court, claiming it to be a copy of his original birth certificate, and in light of the testimony at trial by experts Felicito Papa, Douglas Vogt and senior deportation officer John Sampson, stating that aforementioned image is a forgery, there is a need to examine the original under 616-1-2.
As this court ruled on January 27, 2012, that it does not have jurisdiction to issue a letter rogatory, Plaintiffs respectfully request a leave of court to file a petition for a letter rogatory with the Superior court of the Fulton county, Georgia. Such letter will seek
Farrar v Obama Request for Leave of Court to Petition Supreme Court for Letters Rogatory 4
reciprocal cooperation by the First Circuit court of Hawaii in issuing subpoena for the original birth certificate in question.
Plaintiffs assert, that this limited request will not interfere with their planned submission of the summary of points and authorities of law and fact by the February 1 deadline as ordered by this honorable court.
Plaintiffs submit that such letter rogatory and ultimate retrieval of the original birth certificate, if it is valid and if it even exists, will be beneficial for the ultimate resolution of the matter in case of any appeals and in order to assure consistency of judgment and elections in all 50 states.
/s/ Dr. Orly Taitz, ESQ
counsel for the Plaintiffs 01.30.2012
I. Orly Taitz, attest that I served above pleadings on the defendant through his counsel Mr. Jablonski at firstname.lastname@example.org
/s/ Orly Taitz
Orly is arguing defendant in essence did indeed appear via pre-hearing copy to the ALJ of its letter to the SOS, and in so doing offered a forged BC for the record!
Could have legs. Imagine she could also ask that the WH be required to produce a hard copy of what was posted on the internet. Will the O team have the guts to produce a hard copy it will represent is certified by HI?
His BC must of been printed on Unobtainium!
You know they’ll Never part with it!
Nonetheless, it may be enough that if the request is productive, Orly can merely show any differences between HI's documents and what was delivered to the SOS.
Now the issue is more serious than simple denial of access to the ballot.
The article on Alabama was dated 1/13.
Does anyone know its current status?
I have seen information on a MA challenge. I will track that down later.
Alabama Judge Dismisses Al Hendershot's Obama Ballot Challenge Lawsuit Because He's White: Two More Injunctions Filed
Al Hendershot: "The opposing attorney told the Judge that she did not have jurisdiction to hear the case. Judge Lee stated in a meeting in her chambers that the Motion for Recusal was denied. Judge Lee's comment regarding my reasoning of judicial bias stated: "Is the bias due to me (Judge Lee) and our President Obama are both black?" The Judge denied my constitutional right to legal council as well as a Court Reporter. Therefore, I requested to withdraw my case which was summarily denied. The Judge, after denying my request to withdraw the case then stated "Case dismissed."
This Morning unbenounced to the court, there were two other cases filed at exactly 8:30AM (before my case was even heard at 9:15AM) in two other separate cases asking for the same temporary injunction. So technically these two other cases will have to be heard on their merits. So we now have two more temporary injunctions which will still prevent the anointed one from being added to the 2012 Primary Ballot in Alabama by 01/19/2012. They will be served again..."
Obama the Chicken is Being Plucked
“The thing known as Obama is committing one large theft after another of the American people’s money, work and trust. He is the most disgusting example of human life we have ever witnessed.”
“The amazingly tenacious, Carl Swensson, fighting to get Obama out of the office of the President, by knocking on every official’s door he could find for four years, finally found two government employees who were not traitors and took their Oath of Office seriously: The Georgia Secretary of State, Brian Kemp and Deputy Chief Judge Michael Malihi of the Georgia Office of Administrative Hearings.
The author lives in El Paso
This will determine whether Americans should continue to have faith in the judicial system of this nation. Thus far the picture hasn't been rosy (liberal judges, anti-constitutional rulings and politics meted from the judicial bench).
ping to #1312
A second ping to this post (1272). Alabama is on the list for hearing primary ballot eligibility of B.H. Obama.
Man o MAN! I sure hope the Super PAC’s have a grip on this one!!! Please, someone tell me, it’s FISH ON!
Thanks for the ping!
both of your links appear to be broken, what’s going on?
Sorry, I can’t follow the dates, I have no idea if that’s still ongoing.
there’s big problems..the bc may no longer be an issue. it was entered into the record as valid copy without a seal.
foggy is being permitted to post on obamareleaseyourreleaserecords to openly trash orly and claim the birth certificate is valid without a seal.
What about this?
Georgia Administrative law rules 8-1-2.18
(e) documentary evidence in the form of copies if the original is not readily available, if its use would unduly disrupt the records of the possessor of the original, or by agreement of the parties. Upon request, parties shall have an opportunity to compare the copy with the original. Documentary evidence may also be received in the form of excerpts, charts, or summaries when, in the discretion of the Administrative Law Judge, the use of the entire document would unnecessarily add to the records length. The entire document shall be made available for examination or copying, or both, by other parties at a reasonable time and place.
“Upon request, parties shall have an opportunity to compare the copy with the original.”
Sven just posted this elsewhere, I hope someone explains the import and I find the comment, I assume it means all the evidence/testimony shown in the GA case will have to be done all over again, by which ever lawyers show up?
It is the understanding of the first two attorneys to present their cases that, whichever way the judge decides will ultimately result in an appeal, and with their evidence being presented, they have prepared their cases to proceed to the highest court in the land, if necessary.
An appeal will be to Georgia Superior Court and it will be de novo (fresh start, new case). Evidence and testimony will have to be introduced, again.
The Administrative Hearing is a function of the Georgia legislative branch. Georgia Superior Court is a function of the Georgia Judicial branch. Obama and his attorney know this and are not worried about a default judgement which will result in the GA SoS taking Obama off the Georgia Preferential Ballot. Theyll appeal the GA SoSs action and new trial will be held in Georgia Superior Court, de novo.
Haskins and Foggy will announce their wedding engagement in a few days.
Here’s the link:
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GEORGIA HEARINGS TWO OUT OF THREE AIN’T BAD
The Birther Summit ^ | 01-30-2012 | Dean Haskins
Posted on Tuesday, 31 January 2012 9:22:24 AM by Music Producer
Heh. Iaughed twice over that one; first when I made an involuntary mental connection between Foggy's photo posted earlier in the thread (and which now appears to be nulled) and Golum, and then again when I found that little gem. :)
"Now I understand why the Befoggers monkey-turd fling the term nutburgers around so frantically. Its just more of the ubiquitous projection that marks the site. Theyre hoping if they furiously label enough people nutburgers, it will deflect attention from the creepy mental weirdness that pervades their site...starting right at the top."
Couldn't agree more. Well, maybe I could agree more, if only to suggest that the mental weirdness emanates from the very, very t0p.
As an aside: People have talked ad nauseam about the look on Scooter's face in that photo, but seldom does anyone mention Biden's countenance. Dude looks like he's watching a rerun of No Reservations. ;)
Two professional and credible witnesses have testified under oath in an administrative court during an administrative hearing in Georgia that Obama’s SSN# appears to be fraudulent.
Does Obama have a tax attorney? Does this tax attorney know about these claims of fraud? Does this tax attorney have an obligation to ask Obama if he is using a stolen SSN#?
Does this attorney have any liability if he has been informed of possible fraud? Is this attorney willing to submit Obama’s tax forms this year?
Tides turn, public mood shifts, power changes hands, information previously unavailable suddenly becomes available. Those who think they are protected will find themselves without protection.
Who else wants to go down on the S.S. Obama?
Sven; Judge Malihi offers an advisory opinion to the GA SoS. If an adverse decision is made against Obama by the GA SoS, then he can appeal the GA SoS decision to Georgia Superior Court. The case will be de novo, or a fresh start, because GA SoS will only have access to Judge Malihis opinion and not a trial transcript and evidence presented.
Obama can submit his certified COLB as proof and the Georgia Superior Court may accept it as proof hes qualified to be on the ballot. It really depends on how aggressive the GA AAG defends the GA SoS decision. Will the GA AAG present MvH dicta as precedent? What about WKA? How does Schneider v Rusk (quoting Osborn) fit into the eligibility question?
Greg To Sven;Wrong!On this thread the "appeal" process is described in GA law.
[snip]On review, the reviewing agency shall consider the whole record or such portions of it as may be cited by the parties. In reviewing initial decisions by the Office of State Administrative Hearings, the reviewing agency shall give due regard to the administrative law judges opportunity to observe witnesses. If the reviewing agency rejects or modifies a proposed finding of fact or a proposed decision, it shall give reasons for doing so in writing in the form of findings of fact and conclusions of law.
Sven To Greg;
Youre dreaming. The only acceptable conclusion is a default Order. Otherwise, you have parties arguing their cases without objection or cross examination.
Here are the rules on default:
OFFICE OF STATE ADMINISTRATIVE HEARINGS
ADMINISTRATIVE RULES OF PROCEDURE
616-1-2-.30 Default. Amended.
(1) A default order may be entered against a party that fails to participate in any stage of a proceeding, a party that fails to file any required pleading, or a party that fails to comply with an order issued by the Administrative Law Judge.
(2) Any default order may provide for a default as to all issues, a default as to specific issues, or other limitations, including limitations on the presentation of evidence and on the defaulting partys continued participation in the proceeding. After issuing a default order, the Administrative Law Judge shall proceed as necessary to resolve the case without the participation of the defaulting party, or with such limited participation as the Administrative Law Judge deems appropriate, and shall determine all issues in the proceeding, including those affecting the party in default.
My original response to the default order was "A default order was averted"
But lets look at the above.
(1) A default order may be entered
(2)After issuing a default order, the Administrative Law Judge shall proceed as necessary to resolve the case without the participation of the defaulting party,
So no matter how you look it, evidence was presented and will be considered at the hearing level as well as at the SoS, and if appealed at the SC level. You have offered nothing to back up your claims and in fact you have argued against your own comments.
Thanks for the ping. But after a basically sleepless night and morning, I shortly will prepare to leave for a family funeral. My eye balls are shot. Perhaps later I will read some of this rather extensive post.
I had to make quite a few comments to get this OFF my first ping page! Thanx ;)
Lol. That’s a hilarious pic. Don’t feel alone about not looking at Biden. Nobody does any more. He’s not even funny; he’s just pathetic.
Sometimes, when I have a couple of minutes to burn, I contemplate what all this would be like if it were reversed. I.e.: if a GOP POTUS was acting about a basic, fundamental document the way Obama and his flying monkeys have acted about the vault copy birth record. Can you imagine? The POTUS and his minions would have been hounded to death. Then, if they dared release a doc that looked nothing like what prior eye witnesses had described, the lap puppy media would declare it bigger than Watergate. It would be funny if it weren’t so sickening. The essence of hyporcisy is that the hypocrites themselves never see it, only the onlookers.
And one more thing about Fukino. When Obama was refusing, all that time, to release anything at all, Fukino was all the flying monkeys could talk about. They quoted her ad nauseum. Now that her description has proven not to match in any way the online doc that was released, the barking moonbats don’t even remember her name.
‘Fukino? Who’s that; we don’t know any such person. However, IF we knew such a person, we could say w confidence that she was smoking crack when she said the BC was largely handwritten. Ditto that klown Abercrombie. Clearly both of them were delusional, and probably suffering psychotic episodes. However, that’s only if they even existed, which obviously they haven’t since the day the COLB was released.’
No sane, honest person could believe what these lackeys believe. I used to think it was pure ideological partisanship that drove them, but I’ve since observed otherwise. It’s a combination romantic crush and abject hero worship. The Obots represent the last holdout of the folks who would faint as Little Barry read from his teleprompter. They are smitten and unable to conceal it. Female Obots want a father figure, and read into Barry a plethora of characteristics he does not, never has and never will possess, while male Obots wish to have his baby. Icky but true.
Look who made a video:
When Bryan’s image got out in public—which frankly looked exraordinarily unwell, and as if the man needs to see a competent medical doctor ASAP—along w his sordid legal history, I’m sure it shook him up. What some mentally unstable people do when they feel threatened is to attack those they perceive to be more vulnerable than they are. It’s a small, mean-spirited and panicky reaction, and never achieves the purpose they intend.
Honestly, I feel mostly pity and concern for Bryan. He needs an intervention, and I hope somebody cares enough about him to instigate one.
Looks to me as if the rough draft didn’t pass muster, and they realized they had to change the qualification from merely, ‘born a citizen’ to ‘natural born citizen’. In that day and age, people knew exactly what was meant by NBC; it was common knowledge. The Framers didn’t forsee a time when ignorance would be so rampant and post-modernism so pervasive, that people would have no grasp of history and words would mean whatever a liberal says they mean.
Just curious, but other than Sven, where does it say that an appeal will be “de novo”?? The general idea of the appeal is based on reviewing a court’s rulings and the arguments made therein.
GregNH might know. I’m a fool and just try to grasp a small percentage of what’s going on.